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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


It's from Spain, so probably whatever layout they used back then.

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Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Platystemon posted:

One field that comes to mind is time motion studies, but they attacked the problem from the opposite direction, using decimal stopwatches (marked in hundredths of a minute) to ease computation.

A couple pages back, but is there an article or something about decimal stopwatches that'd explain what they were used for and by whom? I found one in one of the physics teaching labs at work and not a single person I've asked knew why that thing was purchased.

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Powered Descent posted:

BNC connectors were also used in 10BASE2 thin-coax ethernet.

Those were the days. Your network lived in a single long cable that snaked around behind all the computers, plugging into each one in turn with a T-adapter. The ends of the cable had to have terminators plugged into them. And if some user undid the wrong BNC connector, breaking the cable, the entire network went down.

Good times.



Some of us were stuck adminning Token-Ring and Thinnet LANs. TRIGGER WARNING PLEASE!

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

At least you got to tell people the token fell out.

e: apropos of nothing: I like to think of myself as pretty open minded regarding new tech and while I'm not the biggest fan of smartphones and streaming-only media for a multitude of reasons I use them a ton, but I'm pretty sure with those personal assistant smart speakers the tech world has finally passed me right the gently caress by.

My Lovely Horse has a new favorite as of 22:54 on Nov 24, 2016

moller
Jan 10, 2007

Swan stole my music and framed me!
I'm convinced there's just a significant market of people out there who love technology but just can't deal with keyboards and reading things, and they loudly demand a star trek computer.

Even if it's roughly as efficient as smoke signals and all it can do is shop for you.

moller has a new favorite as of 00:36 on Nov 25, 2016

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer
I basically at the point where I only physically type on my phone I'm sending a work email. Otherwise I just hit a button shout into the phone and mash post.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


Collateral Damage posted:

Not to mention the potential differences if computers were grounded into different ground loops. Nothing like touching a computer chassis and feeling that AC tingle.
You mean that's not supposed to happen when I touch my cable box?

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
My dryer was like that. Gas with pex tubing, only 120v, but the electrician who put in the 120 box tied it to the old 240 box's ground. House is over 100 years old and 240 had a separate ground stake.

Three years in, I chip the enamel and get a surprising wake up.

Same thing between the HVAC ground and the circuit the modem/router were on (behind the heat exchanger in the basement).

Let me tell you about how both prongs in the bathroom outlet were hot, but the ventilation fan still worked because the PO just grounded to the neutral to the casing. And before I fixed it, flipping the bathroom switch would cycle the touch lamp two rooms over on and off.

Queen_Combat has a new favorite as of 04:48 on Nov 25, 2016

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Lizard Combatant posted:

When I get an adaptor I'll upload it. It does have a neat early 3d satellite graphic.

Aw, so it must be really GPS and not one of the early inertial navigators. Pity

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av
Speaking of MSXes, I had this one:



My little sister broke it by changing cartridges while it was turned on :(: It still booted but the graphics were completely garbled

hackbunny has a new favorite as of 04:41 on Nov 28, 2016

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

moller posted:

I'm convinced there's just a significant market of people out there who love technology but just can't deal with keyboards and reading things, and they loudly demand a star trek computer.

Even if it's roughly as efficient as smoke signals and all it can do is shop for you.



Humphreys posted:

I feel stupid for not thinking of BNC for something that was used semi-professionally. Although in my defence The only BNC stuff I have used is for radios or SDI/HDSDI for video editing decks (which makes me doubly stupid)

It's also used for MADI and I believe word clock.

https://www.rme-audio.de/en/products/adi_6432R.php

Fun stuff to hook all of this up, thank goodness some brands are going with plain cat-5.

Laserjet 4P has a new favorite as of 06:30 on Nov 25, 2016

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009

My Lovely Horse posted:

At least you got to tell people the token fell out.

e: apropos of nothing: I like to think of myself as pretty open minded regarding new tech and while I'm not the biggest fan of smartphones and streaming-only media for a multitude of reasons I use them a ton, but I'm pretty sure with those personal assistant smart speakers the tech world has finally passed me right the gently caress by.

Give it some more time

https://twitter.com/misterbrilliant/status/794495951113220096

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Computer viking posted:

What keyboard layout is that? Swedish with a random extra ü and é? Some paneuropean hybrid that's subtly wrong for everyone?

It took a while for dead keys to get settled on. Having separate Ü and É is a pretty good solution for Swedish, really.

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


"alexa can you do anything else than spy on me?"


queue silence from trash-bot

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Laserjet 4P posted:




It's also used for MADI and I believe word clock.

https://www.rme-audio.de/en/products/adi_6432R.php

Fun stuff to hook all of this up, thank goodness some brands are going with plain cat-5.

Jesus, I want it. I don't work in that industry anymore, just wanna screw around with it!

Somewhere in my piles of tech junk I have a bunch of old AVID MOJOs - only one is HD. Been thinking of a project with the parts. Maybe pull the FPGA cores off the PCBs and make some dev boards as I haven't gotten to the level of screwing with VHDL yet...although the time : cost ratio involved, I may aswell buy a ready made dev board which would have a much better FPGA. Or do I horde them and wait for some retro video editing enthusiast in the future?

EDIT: the last time I cracked them open I think they had old SPARTAN II's or III's.

Humphreys has a new favorite as of 11:22 on Nov 25, 2016

Aix
Jul 6, 2006
$10
The HD Mojo box should still be worth a couple hundred bucks, id sell that before its completely useless. I still remember like, 12 years ago at an old job we got a mojo box cause it could render cornerlogos to tape in real time, which saved us like an afternoon of rendering lol
...we mostly used an amiga for live ovelays at the time tho, that thing never failed. Didnt even get rid of it when we bought a decent titlebox, we just got a composite to vga box and a kvm (for the interface) to have it as a fallback. This was in an SDI envornment so i think we did some hosed up converting to implement that oldass thing into the signal flow

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Aix posted:

I still remember like, 12 years ago at an old job we got a mojo box cause it could render cornerlogos to tape in real time, which saved us like an afternoon of rendering lol
...we mostly used an amiga for live ovelays at the time tho, that thing never failed. Didnt even get rid of it when we bought a decent titlebox, we just got a composite to vga box and a kvm (for the interface) to have it as a fallback. This was in an SDI envornment so i think we did some hosed up converting to implement that oldass thing into the signal flow

Wow. I remember my old workstation desk being propped up in the centre by a stack of old rendering program manuals. gently caress I wish I kept them for historys sake. I really cannot remember what they were. A few were from an analog titling program that has been posted here before. Too many beers and not enough memory :/

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

moller posted:

I'm convinced there's just a significant market of people out there who love technology but just can't deal with keyboards and reading things, and they loudly demand a star trek computer.

Even if it's roughly as efficient as smoke signals and all it can do is shop for you.

I have to admit, I got a desktop mic just so I can jack around with Cortana. Not some fancy pants Twitch streamer mic, but a decent, cheap little desktop one. Also handy for Skyping and such. It does amuse me, that if you do the Hey, Cortana trigger phrase while Skyping, it will pick it up and trigger. And, yeah, I do want a Star Trek computer. I have some neat "AI" vocal recording I use for Windows system sounds too.

axolotl farmer
May 17, 2007

Now I'm going to sing the Perry Mason theme

El Estrago Bonito posted:

The reason Cyberpunk featured those things was because around when the genre was first becoming big Japan was cool and the cutting edge of cool semi-portable computers in Japan was the MSX:


Fun fact: the M in MSX stands for Microsoft :pseudo:

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

axolotl farmer posted:

Fun fact: the M in MSX stands for Microsoft :pseudo:

Interesting; what does the S stand for?

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




M$X

Can Alexa respond to stuff like 'CALL AN AMBULANCE'? The home automation stuff could be useful for old people, particularly stuff like picking TV shows or turning lights off via voice.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


If I got my hands on an MSX I wil make it my personal goal to gut it fill it with enough power to run a VR setup just to get the full 'jacking in' feel of *insert your anime/cyberpunk here* plus some virtual desktop and workspace that Tom Clancy's Net Force deserves.

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

Aix posted:

...we mostly used an amiga for live ovelays at the time tho, that thing never failed
Post the very best in obsolete and failed technology that you purchased thinking it would be cool to have but then didn't touch for 15 years and now your wife is yelling at you to finally clean up that mess from the attic: I have an Amiga 3000T with tapedrive and CD ROM (and Lemmings plus a shitload of demo/shovelware for it) that was used by a local TV station that I bought back in the day for a hundo.

Around that time I also bought an A500 from this guy who said he'd be happy with a nice apple pie instead of cash.

When I got to the house, his girlfriend was standing there smirking while the dude was looking kinda sad at all the floppies and the half dozen arcade joysticks and the 5.25" drive he had to let go.

I think I only switched it on once and I'm reasonably certain most of the disks have died.

I am not good with retrocomputing.

Humphreys posted:

Maybe pull the FPGA cores off the PCBs and make some dev boards as I haven't gotten to the level of screwing with VHDL yet...although the time : cost ratio involved, I may aswell buy a ready made dev board which would have a much better FPGA.
I'm fairly sure it would, but wouldn't that also be cheaper than the old secondhand stuff?

quote:

EDIT: the last time I cracked them open I think they had old SPARTAN II's or III's.
RME used Xilinx, I think their old page still said something about their mixing/summing algorithms being "poured in hardware" or something.

https://www.rme-audio.de/old/english/hdsp/hdsp9632.htm

RME's support is pretty good for this stuff, though.

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Kirk Vikernes
Apr 26, 2004

Count Goatnackh

Boiled Water posted:

"alexa can you do anything else than spy on me?"


queue silence from trash-bot

She can put tinfoil on your shopping list.

DicktheCat
Feb 15, 2011

Boiled Water posted:

I too would like to be shot by police when going on the metro.

Jokes on you, I live in the south where the ideo of public transportation is a loving pipe dream. :smuggo:

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

Jerry Cotton posted:

Interesting; what does the S stand for?

From what I remember, MSX meant Microsoft Super eXtended, and referred to the BASIC dialect they used.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007

we are the Funyuns posted:

She can put tinfoil on your shopping list.

I'm not quite sure the idea that these "smart" devices are spying on us qualifies as a conspiracy theory anymore. More like conspiracy fact.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Imagined posted:

I'm not quite sure the idea that these "smart" devices are spying on us qualifies as a conspiracy theory anymore. More like conspiracy fact.

Yeah they're programmed to listen to every word we say looking for the keywords we use to activate their interactive modes. Whether they actually do anything with the data they gather in between those moments is not something I think anybody outside of the manufacturers and programmers have info on though. Has anybody gone through EULA or the TOS on an Amazon Echo or the Google Home to see if there's anything in there about data transmission when not interacting with the user?

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter

axolotl farmer posted:

Fun fact: the M in MSX stands for Microsoft :pseudo:

Maybe, but ASCII continues to demand that it's Machines with Software eXchangeability before MS stuck their noses in.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Elliotw2 posted:

Maybe, but ASCII continues to demand that it's Machines with Software eXchangeability before MS stuck their noses in.

MS literally stuck their nose in at the very beginning though. They proposed the drat idea :confused:

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.
I want something I can yell at to turn off the lights when I'm snuggled up in bed, but other than that typing is more efficient than talking.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Keiya posted:

I want something I can yell at to turn off the lights when I'm snuggled up in bed, but other than that typing is more efficient than talking.

Is the clapper obsolete?

Celery Jello
Mar 21, 2005
Slippery Tilde

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Is the clapper obsolete?

Follow up: has someone made a Clapper mod for the Echo yet?

Zebulon
Aug 20, 2005

Oh god why does it burn?!

Celery Jello posted:

Follow up: has someone made a Clapper mod for the Echo yet?

There are literal smart lightbulbs that hook into wifi networks and are compatible with Alexa enabled devices like the Echo, among others. They're pretty easy to find on Amazon.

moller
Jan 10, 2007

Swan stole my music and framed me!

Zebulon posted:

There are literal smart lightbulbs that hook into wifi networks and are compatible with Alexa enabled devices like the Echo, among others. They're pretty easy to find on Amazon.

So when I replace a light bulb, in addition to getting a ladder, I've gotta choose my SSID and type my password, ehr, on the lightbulb?

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

Celery Jello posted:

Follow up: has someone made a Clapper mod for the Echo yet?

I think you'd have to completely rewrite the firmware. It doesn't start paying attention until it hears its name (sadly, it only lets you select from a few presets so you can't name it *clap clap* or "Oi oval office") and then sends whatever it hears afterwards to Amazon for text-to-speech processing.

It isn't as mature as Google's platform so its more likely to go cross-eyed when you ask it a question (although the Easter-egg team put in some overtime, in case you want to make Star Trek or Monty Python jokes with your appliances), but the voice recognition itself is pretty good. I was trying to dick with it and told it "Play Whomp-a-saurus Sex by Mochipet" and it actually worked*.

*This might not work if you don't have the song in your library. I do because it was free and has a hilarious name (its grown on me as "working in the garage" music though).

moller posted:

So when I replace a light bulb, in addition to getting a ladder, I've gotta choose my SSID and type my password, ehr, on the lightbulb?

Yes, all home automation devices have tiny keyboards built in. Magnifying glass sold separately. (They usually pair basically the same way as a Bluetooth device without a pin. You tell the one device thats on your router that you're adding a device and then hit the button on the new whatever. Other stuff like Philips Hue doesn't even bother with the buttons and just assumes nobody is going to bring a bridge into your house and take control of your lightbulbs because there are easier ways to shut off someone's lights if you're already in the house.)

Cat Hatter has a new favorite as of 10:37 on Nov 27, 2016

Spy_Guy
Feb 19, 2013

Cat Hatter posted:

Yes, all home automation devices have tiny keyboards built in. Magnifying glass sold separately. (They usually pair basically the same way as a Bluetooth device without a pin. You tell the one device thats on your router that you're adding a device and then hit the button on the new whatever...or it will just add whatever is in range like Philips Hue seems to.)

I thought WPS was supposed to be kept off at all times because last thing I heard it is hideously insecure.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
So, you're telling me my lightbulb saves a plaintext version of my wifi password, and shares it with whatever it deems is capable enough?

That's somehow more terrifying.

E: fb

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

Spy_Guy posted:

I thought WPS was supposed to be kept off at all times because last thing I heard it is hideously insecure.

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

So, you're telling me my lightbulb saves a plaintext version of my wifi password, and shares it with whatever it deems is capable enough?

That's somehow more terrifying.

E: fb

No, because only stuff like Nest uses Wifi directly. Most home automation stuff has a hub that plugs directly into your router with a Cat5 cable and then talks to all your lightbulbs etc. over its own wireless language like Zigbee or Z-Wave or whatever.

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RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
Bad news about the Phillips Hue.

http://www.techhive.com/article/3138872/internet-of-things/researchers-hack-philips-hue-smart-bulbs-from-the-sky.html

quote:

Based on an exploit for the ZigBee Light Link Touchlink system, white hat hackers were able to remotely control the Hue lights via drone and cause them to blink S-O-S in Morse code.

The drone carried out the attack from more than a thousand feet away. Using the exploit, the researchers were able to bypass any prohibitions against remote access of the networked light bulbs, and then install malicious firmware. At that point the researchers were able to block further wireless updates, which apparently made the infection irreversible.

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