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Hey thread check this out!Joseph Kahahawai posted:He was a Native Hawaiian prizefighter accused of the rape of Thalia Massie. He was abducted and killed after he was freed by a mistrial by Thalia Massie's mother and husband, Grace Fortescue and Navy Lieutenant Thomas Massie respectively, and two Navy enlisted men, Albert O. Jones and Edward J. Lord. While Thomas Massie was questioning him in an attempt to obtain a rape confession, Kahahawai reportedly lunged at Massie, and Albert O. Jones shot him. The trial was called the Massie Trial, and it was a mess. Most of this is copy pasted from wikipedia fyi for those who don't want to click open another tab or something. There's more info on the wikipedia page and I definitely suggest clicking on that for a more in depth story. Massie eventually tried to call his wife to make sure she had arrived safely—after several calls Thalia finally answered, but in a state of shock. Massie returned home and heard from Thalia that while walking home she had been assaulted and raped by several Hawaiian men. .... Initially she could not provide any details at all, stating that it was too dark to identify any of the men or to see any details of the car they emerged from Several hours later the story changed. Thalia now not only described the assailants as "locals", but gave police a license plate number. Within hours the police arrested Horace Ida. Ida was not entirely surprised at first, as only a few hours earlier he had been involved in a near collision while driving his sister's car. Rear Admiral Yates Stirling, Jr., Commandant of the US Navy's 14th Naval District (which included the islands), indicated that his first inclination was to lynch the accused assailants, but that they must give "the authorities a chance to carry out the law and not interfere." As the case developed, cracks in the story immediately appeared. In order to have assaulted Thalia—an event so far unproven to have even occurred.... The police themselves were split on the case—many of the detectives were locals who saw the case was a sham and when they were denied access in the courtroom, they started to talk directly to the press. "Riccio: It was also speculated that Thalia was having an affair with one of Tommie's shipmates. When Tommie came home after the party, so the gossip went, he found his wife and his friend in flagrante delicto and it was Tommie who beat up his wife and broke her jaw." The end result that the jury was deadlocked and called for a mistrial. This pissed off Grace Fortescue, the mother of Thalia. Grace arranged for the kidnapping and 'questioning' of Joseph Kahahawai, the darkest skinned of the five defendants, with the help of two Navy enlisted men-Albert O. Jones and Edward J. Lord. Kahahawai underwent "interrogation", as Fortescue, Massie and the two Navy men attempted to beat a confession out of him—eventually, one of the group of four shot Kahahawai. However they were caught almost straight away. The press on the mainland finally caught on and started doing what the press did best in those days. Stirring up stories of anti white fervor and ideas of "bands of degenerate natives lie in wait for white women driving by"." [Citation needed on that though, so bring out the salt shaker.] Clarence Darrow, perhaps the most famous lawyer of his era, decided to dump his work on behalf of the Scottsboro Boys and take on the defense for the sum of $40,000. Darrow was brought out of retirement by Eva Stotesbury (wife of Edward T. Stotesbury), an old family friend. [Sidenote: the Scottsboro Boys were were nine black teenagers falsely accused in Alabama of raping two White American women on a train in 1931. The landmark set of legal cases from this incident dealt with racism and the right to a fair trial. ] The jury returned a verdict of manslaughter rather than murder. ... Martial Law was considered by Admiral Stirling if rioting were to begin, as he had considered imposing it from the start. After a flurry of diplomatic maneuvering between Washington, D.C. and Honolulu, martial law was avoided. Instead, under pressure from the Navy, Territorial Governor Lawrence M. Judd commuted the 10-year sentences of the convicted killers to one hour, to be served in his office. Days later the entire group, including the Massies, the two other Navy men, Fortescue and Darrow, boarded a ship and left the island in turmoil. Thalia and Massie divorced in 1934; she committed suicide in 1963; he died in 1987. Grace Hubbard died in 1979. Albert Jones died on September 23, 1966. Edward Law died in 1967. PS: In 1966, while being interviewed by author Peter Van Slingerland, Albert O. Jones admitted that he was the one who shot Joseph Kahahawai. value-brand cereal has a new favorite as of 00:22 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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Basebf555 posted:States should have mandatory "execution duty" just like jury duty, where citizens are entered into a drawing to decide who's duty it is to witness a scheduled execution. Maybe if people were forced to witness, or at least accept the idea that there's a chance they may have to, they'd change their minds about it. Nah they should do it like they did it in the old British colonies, first person to get the death sentence gets to become the executioner.
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DogonCrook posted:The judge in my friends case said his life wasn't worth the one he took, which to me speaks volumes about their mentality and why prisoners are treated like animals.
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Nov 24, 2016 09:10
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Anytime this comparative worth of an evil person kinda debate comes up I end up thinking about that Most Evil series, where a psychologist categorizes and ranks famous mass murderers of recent history against each other. I'm sure Ted Bundy and David Parker Ray were two of the max score episodes, can't remember the others though.
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Nov 24, 2016 09:19
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Terrible Opinions posted:I don't really see anything uncomfortable about saying a murderer's life is worth less than a non-murderer's. Unless the non-murderer is like a rapist or something. As someone who's never had to suffer through a murder in the family I think it's kind of awful to try and ascribe some kind of explicit worth to a life, but I think it's particularly grotesque when someone whose job is to be an impartial representation of the law says things like that
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Tenkaris posted:Anytime this comparative worth of an evil person kinda debate comes up I end up thinking about that Most Evil series, where a psychologist categorizes and ranks famous mass murderers of recent history against each other. I'm sure Ted Bundy and David Parker Ray were two of the max score episodes, can't remember the others though. Leonard Lake and Charles Ng are the only others who jump to mind.
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quite stretched out posted:As someone who's never had to suffer through a murder in the family I think it's kind of awful to try and ascribe some kind of explicit worth to a life, but I think it's particularly grotesque when someone whose job is to be an impartial representation of the law says things like that
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Terrible Opinions posted:I don't see why. Someone who murder's another person is inherently worthless than a non-murderer. Hence why even in less lovely countries that actually rehabilitate murderers they're removed from society until they are no longer the sort of person who would commit murder. The whole point of rehabilitation is still to destroy the person who is willing to take the life of another and replace them with different person who would not commit murder. Even in the best case you're trying to build a murder back up to not being worth inherently less than another person. actions aren't inherent
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Nov 24, 2016 10:02
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Exactly hence why the worth of your life is performative.
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Nov 24, 2016 10:09
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Terrible Opinions posted:Exactly hence why the worth of your life is performative. you keep saying that a murderer is INHERENTLY worth less when it's their actions, not their actual inherent worth, that's the problem, though. like, i get what you're trying to express but the word usage is really interfering. nobody is INHERENTLY worth less than another human being; murderers, BY DEFINITION, have performed acts that make them guilty but not INHERENTLY lesser, because their actions aren't inherent to their human existence
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Terrible Opinions posted:I don't see why. Someone who murder's another person is inherently worthless than a non-murderer. Hence why even in less lovely countries that actually rehabilitate murderers they're removed from society until they are no longer the sort of person who would commit murder. The whole point of rehabilitation is still to destroy the person who is willing to take the life of another and replace them with different person who would not commit murder. Even in the best case you're trying to build a murder back up to not being worth inherently less than another person. You should go read some Kant. At the very least, the judge in that case should have kept the comment to himself and off the record to maintain some form of civility and ethics. It wouldn't change how he internally made the decision, but doing one's best to adhere to impartiality is necessary on a professional level.
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How did this thread go from "haha stupid assholes deserved to die the most painful way imaginable for doing something stupid" to "maybe the legal system shouldn't kill people for horrible mistakes/actions." I agree with the latter but jeez you guys some consistency in your compassion. The creepy is coming from inside the thread.
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Nov 24, 2016 10:34
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Tenkaris posted:Anytime this comparative worth of an evil person kinda debate comes up I end up thinking about that Most Evil series, where a psychologist categorizes and ranks famous mass murderers of recent history against each other. I'm sure Ted Bundy and David Parker Ray were two of the max score episodes, can't remember the others though. Nah, Bundy was a 17. Dahmer was a 22, though.
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Nov 24, 2016 12:12
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TotalLossBrain posted:You have to think about marketability potential and that's just not there with a boring stick & slice. The audience wants more for their money. PYF Unnerving Article or Story: Now Less Boring Than a Stick'n'Slice
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Nov 24, 2016 14:11
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Nondevor posted:You should go read some Kant. I work murder and violent crime trials (albeit in the UK), and the judge generally comments in their sentencing remarks how much a scumbag/rear end in a top hat/idiot/monster the defendant is. It's for the benefit of the victim's families and friends on the principle that it's not good enough for justice to simply be done, but it has to be seen to be done. If it was some cold, clinical emotionless thing it'd rob the victim's families and friends of catharsis. And anyway, after the jury returns a verdict impartiality is out of the window.
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Alaois posted:Leonard Lake and Charles Ng are the only others who jump to mind. Albert Fish and HH Holmes.
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Nov 24, 2016 15:48
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I work murder and violent crime trials (albeit in the UK) / ------ 
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A lawyer who regularly gets given the job of defending federal capital punishment cases accepts he's a maverick and ignores mitigation specialists who the american bar association say "must" be used. His clients are usually put on death row and when appeals happens he writes 100 page documents defending his actions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/24/death-row-the-lawyer-who-keeps-losing
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Nov 24, 2016 16:07
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:/ Killing Thatcher would not in my opinion constitute murder.
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Jedit posted:Killing Thatcher would not in my opinion constitute murder. That's probably because she's already dead mate
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Hi, chums. Obviously, the comparative evil values of serial killers is good fodder for this thread, but we've had about a page and a half of "I think that..." sort of posts about the death penalty, which are better suited for D&D, not PYF.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Bring back the good old headsmen of yester-year! I don't know why public executions ever fell out of favor. Everyone would be "appalled" at the spectacle of a pay-per-view hanging or whatever, but I bet it would break every pay-per-view record up until that time. Give the proceeds to the family/s of the victims. with trump president i'm hoping to finally move forward with my idea for prison reform: a return to gladiatorial combat sentenced to 45 years to life? you can serve that, or you can step into the arena of blood. defeat three other prisoners and earn parole. with broadcasting rights sold to HBO and lions donated by failing big cat rescues, the program pays for itself. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Solice Kirsk posted:Bring back the good old headsmen of yester-year! I don't know why public executions ever fell out of favor. Everyone would be "appalled" at the spectacle of a pay-per-view hanging or whatever, but I bet it would break every pay-per-view record up until that time. Give the proceeds to the family/s of the victims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI&t=135s
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Sarcopenia posted:How did this thread go from "haha stupid assholes deserved to die the most painful way imaginable for doing something stupid" to "maybe the legal system shouldn't kill people for horrible mistakes/actions." I agree with the latter but jeez you guys some consistency in your compassion. The creepy is coming from inside the thread. is it maybe different individual posters making the different types of posts? We're not a slime mold here
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Basebf555 posted:Losing a close friend or family member to something like a murder is probably one of those things that's really impossible to understand until you've experienced it. Like, yea I'd love to think that I'd be able to maintain some sense of morality, but its easy to imagine myself throwing that all away if I had the chance to see the perpetrator suffer and die. I lost several close friends in a mass shooting and one thing that makes me so angry is that the shooter killed himself. I know I sound like a bleeding heart liberal nerd, but I really wish the murderer were alive today. I don't want anyone to die, no matter how deranged they were.  Edit: my bad. Pleas post more unnerving poo poo. I'm fresh out at the moment. joshtothemaxx has a new favorite as of 17:24 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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Nov 24, 2016 17:19
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Sarcopenia posted:How did this thread go from "haha stupid assholes deserved to die the most painful way imaginable for doing something stupid" to "maybe the legal system shouldn't kill people for horrible mistakes/actions." I agree with the latter but jeez you guys some consistency in your compassion. The creepy is coming from inside the thread. Because there's nothing inconsistent between "person A did something incredibly obviously stupid and died for it, independent of outside intervention" and "person B may or may not have done something bad, do we as a society now have a right to take action to kill them". Apples and oranges dude, just because the end result is a dead body doesn't mean the journey to that point is irrelevant. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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MissEchelon posted:Nah they should do it like they did it in the old British colonies, first person to get the death sentence gets to become the executioner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbpUzCFCy_8&t=717s
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Hi, again. Initially I probated a few of you for continuing a derail, but I've decided to be more lenient and just ask you again to please, in the very least, if you're going to continue to discuss this, at least post some content. D&D is a separate forum for a reason. Thanks. e: Never mind. I cannot retract sixes. vvv: JESUS cash crab has a new favorite as of 19:43 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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I am the change I want to see in this thread. By the way if you're ever in want of material for this thread, google 'historical crime novel nonfiction' or something like that. There's plenty of books written on real life murderers or disasters that might also have shorter articles or wikipedia pages. You might come up with new or interesting stuff that has yet to be covered in this thread. Jeffrey Robert MacDonald is an American who was convicted in 1979 of murdering his pregnant wife and two daughters in February 1970. [Spoilers for injuries! Fair warning!] Colette, who was pregnant with her third child and first son, was lying on the floor of her bedroom. She had been repeatedly clubbed (both her arms were broken) and stabbed 21 times with an ice pick and 16 times with a knife. MacDonald's torn pajama top was draped upon her chest. On the headboard of her bed, the word "pig" was written in blood. Five-year-old Kimberly was found in her bed, having been clubbed in the head and stabbed in the neck with a knife between eight and ten times. Two-year-old Kristen was found in her own bed; she had been stabbed 33 times with a knife and 15 times with an ice pick . MacDonald was found next to his wife alive but wounded. His wounds were not as severe nor as numerous as those his family had suffered. He was immediately taken to nearby Womack Hospital. MacDonald suffered cuts and bruises on his face and chest along with a mild concussion. He also had a stab wound on his left torso in what a staff surgeon referred to as a "clean, small, sharp" incision that caused his left lung to partially collapse. He was treated at Womack Hospital and released after one week. MacDonald told investigators that on the evening of February 16, he had fallen asleep on the living room couch. He told investigators that he did so because Kristen had been in bed with Colette and had wet his side of it. He was later awakened by Colette and Kimberly's screams. As he rose from the couch to go to their aid, he was attacked by three male intruders, one black and two white. A fourth intruder, described as a white female with long blonde hair and wearing high heeled boots and a white floppy hat partially covering her face, stood nearby with a lighted candle and chanted, "Acid is groovy, kill the pigs." The three males attacked him with a club and ice pick. During the struggle, he claimed that his pajama top was pulled over his head to his wrists and he then used it to ward off thrusts from the ice pick. Eventually, he stated that he was overcome by his assailants and was knocked unconscious in the living room end of the hallway leading to the bedrooms. However! Investigators didn't buy that a Green Beret could be overpowered by three drugged up men, and that he killed his own pregnant wife and two kids. There weren't many signs of a struggle, and evidence did not match up. C.I.D. investigators then theorized that MacDonald attempted to cover up the murders, using articles on the Manson Family murders that he'd found in an issue of Esquire in the living room. He then took a scalpel blade from a supply in the hallway closet, went to the adjacent bathroom, and stabbed himself once. Putting on surgical gloves from the supply, he went to the master bedroom, where he used Colette's blood to write "pig" on the headboard. Finally, he laid his torn pajama top over her body and repeatedly stabbed her in the chest with an ice pick. He used the telephone to summon an ambulance, discarded the weapons out the back door, and lay by Colette's body while he waited for the military police to arrive. During this time Freddie Kassab, MacDonald's stepfather-in-law, turned against him. Initially, he was one of his supporters and testified in support of his innocence during the Article 32 hearing; however, his support lessened after MacDonald's appearance on The Dick Cavett Show. His support continued to erode after MacDonald refused to provide him with a transcript of the Article 32 hearing. He also made contradictory and at times outlandish claims; in one instance in November 1970, MacDonald told Kassab that he and some Army friends had actually tracked down, tortured, and eventually murdered one of the alleged killers of his family, but refused to provide details about who the person was or what he might have told MacDonald. He later claimed that it was a lie to try to put to rest Kassab's persistence about finding his stepdaughter's killers. There was a trial, but the charges were dropped and he was given a honorable discharge from the army. However, the story does not end there and get more convoluted and complicated. Sorry to be all click baity, but check out the wikipedia article for the whole shebang! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_R._MacDonald I thought this was pretty cool. Gary Mark Gilmore was an American criminal who gained international notoriety for demanding the implementation of his death sentence for two murders he committed in Utah. The short of it is that a boy who grew up in an abusive, troubled home grows up to be a murderer. Not necessarily his fault. He was diagnosed with with antisocial personality disorder with intermittent psychotic decompensation. In any case, he was found guilty of murder and requested execution. He would face the firing squad. At a Board of Pardons hearing in November 1976, Gilmore said of the efforts by the ACLU and others to prevent his execution: "They always want to get in on the act. I don't think they have ever really done anything effective in their lives. I would like them all — including that group of reverends and rabbis from Salt Lake City — to butt out. This is my life and this is my death. It's been sanctioned by the courts that I die and I accept that." But that's not why I think this one is so interesting. See, Gilmore's last were simply "Let's do it." This loving guy and his loving last words were so iconic that pop culture picked up on them, and that's amazing to me. The phrase "Well, in the immortal words of Gary Gilmore 'Let's do this.'" was used in the tv shows Roseanne and Seinfield, and was partially referenced by Andy Sipowicz in NYPD Blue. The founder of advertising agency Wieden+Kennedy, Dan Wieden credits the inspiration for his "Just Do It" Nike slogan to Gilmore's last words. There's definitely more on the wikipedia page. I just can't believe that some fucker who grew up in a poo poo household, murdered some people, demanded death, still has such an influence after his death. 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One of my friends was murdered several years ago. He was almost the stereotype you hear about victims on TV. Everyone loved him, he worked his whole life at the same job, he was a good husband, good father, and in fact his good heart was what led to his death. His sister was a piece of poo poo and so my friend took in his nephews and tried to raise them right, but one of the nephews was involved in gang poo poo. One night some members of a rival gang came to my friend's house looking for the nephew, but my friend was the one who answered the door and told them to gently caress off, basically. They came back a few hours later, armed, and tried to force their way in. He tried to block them and they shot him, in front of his three year old kid. I can sympathize with the idea that the murderer was not "worth" the same as the person who was killed. The 19 year old kid who was convicted of my friend's murder was a piece of poo poo who already had a long rap sheet, showed no remorse, did nothing but try to look "hard", and as far as I could tell had never made a single positive impact on anyone anywhere in his entire life. If anybody but his mama missed him, I'd be shocked. If they told me I could kill ten guys like him to bring my friend back, I'd really have to think about it.
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Sorry for the derail. Honestly part of what I find unnerving is what the whole process turns the victim into. But I shouldn't have brought it up because I don't want to sound like I'm defending anything about what my friend did, and it seems hosed up to say to a victim you are taking this to far, because yeah I know drat well I would too. I guess I'm not really in a position to talk about it, but I have unfortunately had to watch all this play out and now I recognise different players in the victims rights groups and how some evolved. There's some positives but it's all pretty sad. Anyways there are aspects I thought was sorta relevant and was going to go into the case because the guilt is unquestionable, but the punishment has been pretty controversial, but there's no way I can discuss it without seeming biased or calloused as gently caress. I can't really explain why it's unnerving to watch people rally around to make sure he gets executed and how hosed up it is without sounding like I'm just defending my murderer friend, and that I don't care about the victims, so sorry for starting to go down this road. I guess I'll leave it at, I find our criminal justice system unnerving for literally everyone involved.
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It got a little overlooked in the shitstorm, but that article about Benjamin Kyle/the dude with amnesia was REALLY good. I need to read some more articles like that - anyone got some recommendations? Maybe we should have another thread dedicated to interesting longform articles if there isn't already one...
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whiteyfats posted:Nah, Bundy was a 17. My Friend Dahmer is an excellent graphic novel by a dude who was "friends" with Dahmer in high school. It's pretty heart breaking. If Dahmer had grown up in a better situation he probably would have just been a weirdo instead of a murderer.
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I really don't get how bundy was less evil than Dahmer. Bundy's whole shtick was how evil and horrifying he was. That's what he got off on. Dahmer seemed to be doing it for a variety of reasons and sort of stumbled into it, whereas bundy very intentionally set out to be a serial killer, and especially enjoyed people's horror at what was happening.
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Improbable Lobster posted:My Friend Dahmer is an excellent graphic novel by a dude who was "friends" with Dahmer in high school. It's pretty heart breaking. If Dahmer had grown up in a better situation he probably would have just been a weirdo instead of a murderer. Second that. It's been posted in the BYOB webcomics thread, but I would strongly advice you to buy it. It's super good.
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DogonCrook posted:I really don't get how bundy was less evil than Dahmer. Bundy's whole shtick was how evil and horrifying he was. That's what he got off on. Dahmer seemed to be doing it for a variety of reasons and sort of stumbled into it, whereas bundy very intentionally set out to be a serial killer, and especially enjoyed people's horror at what was happening. Simple. Because Dahmer tortured multiple people, while Bundy wanted the corpse, so he tended to kill the women pretty fast, so he could get his necrophilia on. That was Bundy's shtick after he got caught, but his murders were committed because he wanted the body to possess. That's why he hid the bodies so well (for real, there are likely one or more of his dumping sites that are still not located). Dahmer was trying to make slaves, so he drilled holes in people's heads and poured in acid or boiling water, while Bundy wanted a corpse to gently caress/pose/stare at/mutilate, so the women tended not to suffer near as much.
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That wasn't how I remembered it but then I read the pathology section of his wiki, and it sort debunks what I thought previously, about the fascination with horror. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy Honestly reading that I don't think anybody ever nailed down what was actually going on with him. He kinda seems immune to psychoanalysis and was having fun playing with people trying to understand him. Still I thought the rating system emphasized the ability to discern what they where doing was evil. How much they could comprehend that or whatever, and then how much the basically ignored that. And to me Dahmer seemed far more confused about reality than bundy. But then again reading about bundy he almost seems non human at all, so maybe he couldn't understand the effects of what he was doing because he couldn't comprehend how other people felt in any rational way. It does say he couldn't comprehend why anyone cared that he killed these people. Like totally baffled by it, which is pretty loving weird considering how meticulous he was about not leaving evidence.
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DogonCrook posted:That wasn't how I remembered it but then I read the pathology section of his wiki, and it sort debunks what I thought previously, about the fascination with horror. Bundy really seemed to have problems understanding that people notice when other people they know just disappear. In The Riverman: Ted Bundy and I Hunt For The Green River Killer, Keppel talks about just how weird Ted was when you spent any amount of time with him. I can't remember if it was that book or another one, but the best description I've read of Bundy is "an empty suit." All surface, no depth. Not understanding other people's emotions is textbook sociopathy, but Ted was extreme, even for that. But yeah, that's the problem when trying to do a ranking of evil like that. I enjoyed the show, because I like true crime stuff, but the ratings are far down on the list why.
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