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Tired Moritz posted:please don't e-stalk me. Comment on my roleblock stuff.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:08
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I agree that we should kill the roleblocker but I'm not absolutely sure if Jedit is it.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:12
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I haven't put much thought into it beyond "yeah that sounds good." I'd vote Jedit or TM today but I'm trying to work out whether I think AA is lying or not.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:13
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Tired Moritz posted:I agree that we should kill the roleblocker but I'm not absolutely sure if Jedit is it. Well look at my summation and make your call on who you think the likely roleblocker is. I'd love it if you point out something I'm missing that makes it not Jedit. 
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Nov 26, 2016 09:14
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Truth Quark posted:I haven't put much thought into it beyond "yeah that sounds good." I'd vote Jedit or TM today but I'm trying to work out whether I think AA is lying or not. I'm torn on that piece. I was going to let night actions tonight help with that. I definitely don't believe AA 100%, he just hasn't been that trustworthy this game. He's made poor choices/votes/scum calls throughout the game(In fairness did call Glowku's claim ridiculous like I did, but that could be a legit scum reaction to a horrible loving claim, hehe) and he doesn't have a proven action like most of us do(If you are town, this isn't meant to be an attack AA, just telling it like it is from my perspective, nothing personal). The one thing in his favor is that yes, TM is scummy as gently caress in this game. One thing not in his favor is the only time he picked a target that everyone agrees with for his watch was the time it mattered? And kash just so happened to send him bad results? This scum team hasn't been good at planning things out, so I think if they went for this plan it wasn't intentional for AA to claim no results first. I think they figured out they were up against the wall and needed to do something bold if they were going to still win once they saw how the day was starting and they were all in doc together, so he took the risk and claimed that kash sent an action correction. If we are voting Jedit, the roleblocker, there are lots of fun plans we can enact for night actions that should yield us good results for helping figure out the last scums.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:30
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Going to bed shortly. Don't do anything dumb while I'm asleep please.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:39
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I slept late today. Working on an effort post.
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Nov 26, 2016 12:19
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First, let's get the obvious out of the way: TM has been caught visiting the NK victim after claiming a role with no targeted ability. He's scum. This is beyond debate. So why is KB pushing to lynch me today? This is KB saying we're at MYLO: King Burgundy posted:I'm sketched by this. This is KB saying he wouldn't lynch a proven scum at MYLO, instead favouring a lynch on someone he thinks is scum: King Burgundy posted:AA. No. Even if I knew 100% for sure that you were telling the truth and was looking at TM's literal mod confirmed role PM saying he is scum, I would still vote Jedit today. He is a scum roleblocker. You said you believed me on that. If you believe there is a scum roleblocker and a scum whatever that made the kill last night, you go for the roleblocker every time. This makes no logical sense. We know there's a scum "whatever" because we know who it is. Here's another KB quote that I find interesting now: King Burgundy posted:Yeah, I'm not cleared in this game by any means. I'm obviously not the roleblocker or killer since my actions are confirmed. But that doesn't rule me out. I too have been thinking about this. If all claims are true then Town in this game is obscenely powerful. More than half of us have either a protective or investigative role, and on top of that we had multishots of vig, executioner and double vote. Against this the scum apparently have ... a roleblocker? That can't be right. The only way scum win that setup is if half the Town plays scummy and they rip themselves apart. Which nearly happened, admittedly, but still I think this game would already be over if they hadn't lucked into killing the Cop on N1. How does Mason Recruiter help scum avoid all that? Well, I assume the masons discuss where their night actions are going to go. KB recruits them, they plan what to do, then the scum plan on that basis. The only problem I see with this as a theory is the lack of NK on turn 2. We know AA was jailed and KB protected because the Jailer and Doc told us and they're both dead - although Kash hasn't posted Infi's alignment I'm assuming he's Town because Tobbs didn't die too - and Asiina was already in the masonry as per KB's statement which neither Asiina or FL have refuted. That implies KB isn't scum, as if he was then AA was either the target or the killer and in either case the scum could have had Glowku make the kill instead of whoever did do it.
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Nov 26, 2016 14:44
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Chucking this out now: I used my last shot on Tobbs last night. Infi was a more obvious NK target because Bodyguards can't self-protect, but I thought scum would go for Tobbs on the basis that Infi would surely be watched and a Doc self-protecting every night is effectively neutralised. Also if I was right I could have set a trap by claiming to have visited Infi instead.
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Nov 26, 2016 14:55
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I just re-read AA and realised I was wrong about there being zero debate as to TM being scum. AA claimed to be blocked two nights and received a null result on the third, so we have no prior confirmation that he's actually a Watcher and it's possible that he's lying about TM performing the NK. However, I also know that TM's claim is fake. So even if AA is lying it's much more likely that he's throwing a scumbro under the bus to gain cred rather than to throw suspicion on a Townie. Withholding my vote until Kash can reset Votefinder, but I'm not voting anyone except TM today.
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Nov 26, 2016 15:03
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Jedit is the right dunk.
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Nov 26, 2016 15:20
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Jedit posted:Chucking this out now: I used my last shot on Tobbs last night. Infi was a more obvious NK target because Bodyguards can't self-protect, but I thought scum would go for Tobbs on the basis that Infi would surely be watched and a Doc self-protecting every night is effectively neutralised. Also if I was right I could have set a trap by claiming to have visited Infi instead. Did I miscount or did you still end up burning a shot on the night you were role blocked then?
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Nov 26, 2016 15:33
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Jedit posted:I just re-read AA and realised I was wrong about there being zero debate as to TM being scum. AA claimed to be blocked two nights and received a null result on the third, so we have no prior confirmation that he's actually a Watcher and it's possible that he's lying about TM performing the NK. However, I also know that TM's claim is fake. So even if AA is lying it's much more likely that he's throwing a scumbro under the bus to gain cred rather than to throw suspicion on a Townie. Comment on my role blocker stuff.
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Nov 26, 2016 18:05
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I would rather go with what I feel is a more sure thing. ##vote TM
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Nov 26, 2016 18:12
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Votecount for Day 5 Not Voting (8): Anomalous Amalgam, CapitalistPig, Flying Leatherman, Infinitum, Jedit, King Burgundy, Tobbs Gnawed, Truth QuarkWith 8 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. There is currently no deadline set.
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Nov 26, 2016 18:38
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##vote TM
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Nov 26, 2016 18:39
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AA is confirmed scum, and there's a chance of them being the roleblocker. ##vote AA
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Nov 26, 2016 18:40
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Tired Moritz posted:AA is confirmed scum, and there's a chance of them being the roleblocker. Confirmed how?
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Nov 26, 2016 18:43
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Tired Moritz posted:AA is confirmed scum, and there's a chance of them being the roleblocker. Also how could I be role blocker when I was jailed the night another player was blocked. Dumb scumb.
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Nov 26, 2016 18:44
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Is votefinder broken again or something?
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Nov 26, 2016 18:53
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##vote TM
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Nov 26, 2016 19:12
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Flying Leatherman posted:Did I miscount or did you still end up burning a shot on the night you were role blocked then? I got an "action failed" message. I'll PM Kash, but I'm pretty sure that means I took an action.
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Nov 26, 2016 19:14
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Hey KB, who did you mason this time?
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Nov 26, 2016 19:30
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And Jedit, can you full claim your role and what you've done with it again?
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Nov 26, 2016 19:30
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Jedit posted:I got an "action failed" message. I'll PM Kash, but I'm pretty sure that means I took an action. Have you not been getting messages on the nights when you've not been roleblocked or are they different in some way?
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Nov 26, 2016 19:43
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Tired Moritz posted:AA is confirmed scum, and there's a chance of them being the roleblocker. Whether or not he's scum can be determined by night actions, but he is demonstrably not the roleblocker
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Nov 26, 2016 19:45
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Flying Leatherman posted:Whether or not he's scum can be determined by night actions, but he is demonstrably not the roleblocker This should have read "future night actions"; I can't fathom how TM got to "confirmed scum".
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Nov 26, 2016 19:48
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King Burgundy posted:Comment on my role blocker stuff. I'm pretty sure you've missed a couple of things, but before I list them can someone please confirm that this list of night actions is correct: WATCHER N1 fail N2 fail N3 KB (null) N4 Infinitum (TM) TRACKER N1 KB (to Asiina) N2 Asiina (to AA) N3 Tobbs (to Infi) N4 Pig (null) JAILER N1 ANarc N2 AA N3 Glowku (not 100% confirmed, but KB and FL would both have to be lying) ROLEBLOCKER CLAIMS N1 AA N2 Tobbs N3 Jedit N4 Tobbs
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Nov 26, 2016 20:00
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Those look right to me, Jedit. I just went back and checked TQ and AA's posts, as well as Asiina's notes from the masonry.
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Nov 26, 2016 20:06
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I don't remember who got blocked N1, I remember it being something weird though.Truth Quark posted:And Jedit, can you full claim your role and what you've done with it again?
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Nov 26, 2016 20:07
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Flying Leatherman posted:Have you not been getting messages on the nights when you've not been roleblocked or are they different in some way? I just got "nothing happens", which was fairly obvious anyway since my targets didn't die. TQ - my targets were N2 Tobbs, N3 Asiina (blocked) and N4 Tobbs again. Full claim: Jedit posted:OK, since we are apparently all agreed on claiming: I'm the Famicom Data Recorder, and I'm a Universal Backup. Three times I can pick a target and save their game; if they die, I lose that ability and gain theirs. I used a shot on Tobbs last night thinking the scum would want to kill the Bodyguard, but I didn't use it on N1. I am painfully aware that this lines up twice with the RB and once with the NK, but if I wasn't picking targets that the scum were likely to eliminate I'd be doing it wrong.
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Nov 26, 2016 20:10
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Jedit posted:I just got "nothing happens", which was fairly obvious anyway since my targets didn't die. Did you already answer why scum would want to roleblock the backup rather than a power role with a night action on N3? Why did you say this instead of claiming your roleblock up front on N3: King Burgundy posted:Also, Jedit, did you do anything last night? Jedit posted:Nope.
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Nov 26, 2016 20:17
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Your actions actually line up perfectly with the roleblocker if we believe Asiina was blocked N3  Then there's this: Jedit posted:Nope. After KB asked if you "did anything last night." If you were town, why didn't you immediately say "No, I was roleblocked"? We'd been discussing who we thought was RB'd (we were leaning Asiina) so you could've easily cleared that up then and there. Instead you chose to wait, which is either A) You trying to "trap" someone (even though most actions were accounted for at that point, hence us leaning Asiina) or B) you scum slipped. You aren't looking particularly towny to me Jedit. My one concern, is that TM is clearly being bussed based on the fact that zero "confirmed" town players have jumped on the vote so far. I have a feeling scum have a reason for bussing him beyond him being scummy as gently caress, such as being a lynch bomb or something similar. It would make sense given the relative power of town this game to give scum a role like that.
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Nov 26, 2016 20:21
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lol @ FL saying the exact thing I did.
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Nov 26, 2016 20:21
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OK, thoughts on KB's RB stuff:King Burgundy posted:So looking specifically for the scum roleblocker: Things I think he overlooked: 1) TQ could be scum. Some of his results are confirmed subject to timestamp - I don't recall if he said he tracked Asiina to AA before or after she claimed it - but scum Tracker isn't out of the question anyway. In either case he could be lying about not having seen Pig go anywhere and Pig could thus be the RB. 2) Tobbs could be lying about having been blocked. This would allow AA to be the RB as it would mean the only night without an RB was the night he was jailed. However, I don't think this is particularly likely as that was also the night we had no kill. It would also probably mean he was lying about being a Bodyguard, but that begs the question of what he is given he can't be the RB. 3) I'm not seeing anything that would stop TM being the RB if AA lied about the watching result. He hasn't been observed or blocked on any previous night.
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Nov 26, 2016 20:46
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Sorry, but with a doctor, elite bodyguard, tracker, watcher, and jailer on the table, no way in hell am I believing that someone who has to guess the night kill is getting roleblocked. Asiina makes more sense, especially since we suggested that jailing a juggernaut could prevent a NK. ##vote Jedit We need to dunk the roleblocker.
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Nov 26, 2016 20:48
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I am with Tobbs on this one, I think Jedit is the correct lynch today.
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Nov 26, 2016 20:51
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I'll vote jedit but feel like we might be getting ducked. Let the record show, I watched TM and he was the only person who visited Inf outside of myself and I believe TM is the correct Lynch.
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Nov 26, 2016 20:58
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Jedit posted:OK, thoughts on KB's RB stuff: 1) I believe we did in fact confirm TQ's role. 2) Only if you accept that, on N3, Tobbs visited Infi. This would mean that TQ and Tobbs were both scum and that there is a separate roleblocker, whicih is impossible. Refraining from comment on 3, but as I mentioned in the doc, you're asking us to swallow an awful lot here to believe that you're not scum.
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Nov 26, 2016 21:01
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Flying Leatherman posted:Did you already answer why scum would want to roleblock the backup rather than a power role with a night action on N3? No, but the logic chain isn't complex - it was the reason I targeted Asiina myself. The scum needed to kill the protective roles. If Asiina jailed the RB while they were trying to block Tobbs and kill Infi they'd lose someone, so Asiina had to go first. Glowku was already a suspect so if I managed that they'd not be able to get around me easily, so I got blocked. TQ: you are right, I was trying to trap someone into claiming they'd been blocked or into deliberately misreading me. The first half didn't work, the second half worked a bit too well. On average it was a successful play, though.
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Nov 26, 2016 21:06
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