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Dreddout posted:Red alert 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIRPcICB-iY
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Oz Fox posted:Put a price ceiling on the rent of all 1 bedroom apartments equal to one 40 hour week's pay at minimum wage. Counter: make it legal to build cheaper high density housing in places where people actually want to live. Then push urban planners to focus on building decentralized cities with multiple downtown areas a reasonable distance apart. We dont want a venezuela food shortage equivalent in housing, and we are already too drat close so making it worse would be bullshit. GlyphGryph has issued a correction as of 14:27 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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GlyphGryph posted:Counter: make it legal to build cheaper high density housing in places where people actually want to live. Then push urban planners to focus on building decentralized cities with multiple downtown areas a reasonable distance apart.  (nevermind that rampant homelessness drives property values down faster than janitor bob moving in a 600 dollar rent apartment, but i guess that's why they lobby for violently punishing vagrancy) Anime Schoolgirl has issued a correction as of 16:42 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:So, in short, people who are proud to be Leftists and not undermining their efforts by talking about 'realistic expectations' and other third-way poo poo. Yeah, this will actually work. In fact, we just need more dedicated people to run it and stand up to this nonsense. Build a wall against the GOP's bullshit, so to speak. There needs to be a real oppositional force to current free trade theorists to effect and capture people's minds. There's this great interview with a sociologist who interviewed in a large scale people who turned out to be Trump voters: http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/25/trump-country-tea-party-conservatism She basically terms what these people wanted in politics not based in fact or ideology, but in terms of what they felt. Elites (and minorities) keep on taking their place in line, so they vote accordingly. I was a Hillary supporter because I thought she might have the best chance to win, but I see that I was wrong. What's needed is something to stimulate the fire in people's bellies (and capture 40% of the white vote, 90% of the black, and 70% of latinos), a donor class dedicated to wholesale change, and a fevrent base of true and more importantly, smart, believers dedicated to not piece meal reform, but whole sale change. There needs to be a cause that inflames as much as fears of the government and colored people do on the other side, and traditionally that's been serviced by economic populism anchored by minority participation. If blacks had voted in the same numbers in PA and MI as they did in 2012, Hillary would have won those states, so this isn't just a pean to the white working class. We need all of the above. I would be willing even to tolerate a Cory Booker in 2020, but this election shows that those "hard-headed" type calculations are a losing bet, and that people actually want to vote for someone they can believe in and can bring wholesale change. It's our responsibilty to create a framework to create instant and profound change when that occurs. Mealy mouthed Clintonism is dead.
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Shageletic posted:There needs to be a real oppositional force to current free trade theorists to effect and capture people's minds. There's this great interview with a sociologist who interviewed in a large scale people who turned out to be Trump voters: http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/25/trump-country-tea-party-conservatism and that cause and framework is trumpism
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:and that cause and framework is trumpism The next 4 to 8 years will be key...
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we can begin by admitting that mao and Stalin were real bad and communism doesn't work, so that the crazy marxists will stop alienating voters in droves
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:we can begin by admitting that mao and Stalin were real bad and communism doesn't work, so that the crazy marxists will stop alienating voters in droves
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communism is real cool, all the kids love it, and old people vote for fascism now
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deadgoon posted:communism is real cool, all the kids love it, and old people vote for fascism now Capitalism is for olds, it will die out with the Boomers. All young people have pretty much decided on socialism or facism. What a time to be alive!
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Dreddout posted:Capitalism is for olds, it will die out with the Boomers. All young people have pretty much decided on socialism or facism. great depression 2 is gonna be real good, folks
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:b-b-b-but property values Wanting property values to go up is one of the three core things I find incredibly predictive of someone being an all-around poo poo person.
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the sad part is that it's not even a useful investment, like solar futures in fact it's probably one of the most useless investments, like bitcoin
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:we can begin by admitting that mao and Stalin were real bad and communism doesn't work, so that the crazy marxists will stop alienating voters in droves None of us here want communism. i just want democracy to purge oligarchists from it and give them no place to live
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:we can begin by admitting that mao and Stalin were real bad and communism doesn't work, so that the crazy marxists will stop alienating voters in droves we being trump supporters, so goal accomplished
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Equating communism with authoritarian state capitalism obscures everything. It's flat out wrong, and it stifles imagination of better world beyond capitalism. Welp, guess this horror show called capitalist democracy is the only choice cuz authoritarian statists once called themselves Communists.
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Nietzschean posted:I'm actually pretty curious about what's preventing the Democrats from having something like the '94 Gingrich Revolution and becoming a unified political party rather than a dissociated mess of Blue Dogs, Third Way, etc. just throwin' this out there, but i think the answer to your question is a mix of blithering incompetence and a hatred of victory. the democrats are absolutely unmatched in their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Many democrats, like that famous Blaie quote, would rather lose elections than see the left gain power. The results of that mindset speak for themselves.
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GlyphGryph posted:Many democrats, like that famous Blaie quote, would rather lose elections than see the left gain power. The results of that mindset speak for themselves. or maybe the left should get over its persecution complex and stop putting up garbage-tier candidates like alan grayson as their standard bearers. the democrats have had no problem boosting the candidacies of people like liz warren, zephyr teachout, and pramila jayapal, i don't think you can say the same about certain elements of the left in the democratic party when it comes to moderate members in swing districts.
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Concerned Citizen posted:or maybe the left should get over its persecution complex and stop putting up garbage-tier candidates like alan grayson as their standard bearers. the democrats have had no problem boosting the candidacies of people like liz warren, zephyr teachout, and pramila jayapal, i don't think you can say the same about certain elements of the left in the democratic party when it comes to moderate members in swing districts. hope u get well soon dnc
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the one true red alert is actually red alert 2
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Bolton Hairy-Bore posted:Equating communism with authoritarian state capitalism obscures everything. It's flat out wrong, and it stifles imagination of better world beyond capitalism. Yeah but can you blame people for doing that? history and all that, american propaganda etc. Also social democrat is the way to go, strong social security and a decent amount of capitalism.
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logikv9 posted:the one true red alert is actually red alert 2 bernie's revenge was a good expansion pack
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Zombiepop posted:Yeah but can you blame people for doing that? history and all that, american propaganda etc. Social democracy is pretty conclusively a failure. Leave capitalism intact and it just waits a decade and then gets all restrictions placed upon it legislated away and all the social services privatized.
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reignonyourparade posted:Social democracy is pretty conclusively a failure. Leave capitalism intact and it just waits a decade and then gets all restrictions placed upon it legislated away and all the social services privatized. I dont really agree, the scandinavian countries are doing fine, But yeah a lot of it is becoming worse as time goes. But hey in sweden the social democratic/green government is discussing the option to impose limits on how much $$$ you can make as a private company in the welfare sector. So that's something, and probably the way to go.
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Start local as everyone has said is the best, start your own co-op, help other workers join and expand. Fight against un-cooperative businesses by competing with and destroying them.
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youre memes and general ideas lead yall lefties to think there is a groundswell of untapped support, but their isn't at all; thats why u gotta start at the bottom, start locally and build that. like yall ain't gonna see a socalist revolution without more low level support and u need that low level support to acheve youre lofty goals!
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Really we just need to seize the means of production for the benefit of the labour class.
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ScrubLeague posted:Really we just need to seize the means of production for the benefit of the labour class. Bing Bing bong simple
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ScrubLeague posted:Really we just need to seize the means of production for the benefit of the labour class. you aren't going to convince the robots to do anything but work
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because the capitalist dream is happening: getting rid of the workers. you can't have a worker revolution without workers
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Baloogan is right of course. If there's any socialist party in your area that's doing actual organizing and providing services, you should join them and volunteer. If there's nothing in your area, then send them money or start your own chapter. Being a socialist and joining in that political project should be the coolest thing in the world right now, because liberals have utterly failed to rule and the Trump reaction is doomed before it's even out of the gate.  This is what a socialist looks like. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 12:18 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If there's any socialist party in your area that's doing actual organizing and providing services, you should join them and volunteer. If there's nothing in your area, then send them money or start your own chapter. post information / links on how to do that and links to like how to find the socialist party near u and I'll edit them into the OP
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I'd be careful with that, Heir-In-Chief Barron is very good with The Cyber and you'll be on a list.
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 also relax your ideological purity; you don't have the luxury to be choosy.
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Baloogan posted:also relax your ideological purity; you don't have the luxury to be choosy. Well, we tried a candidate with no real ideology, she lost.
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And infighting over ideological purity is how the GOP ended up with Trump. All these fuckers who were completely the same couldn't stop picking at each other and let the most liberal of them - such as he is - take over the world.
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Baloogan posted:
remember in grade school if you got into a fight with someone half the time you'd end up friends afterwards or at least having a mutual respect because you both knew you were willing to get cut lips and bloody knuckles over something and real respect real why did that poo poo stop working after we became adults
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ScrubLeague posted:And infighting over ideological purity is how the GOP ended up with Trump. All these fuckers who were completely the same couldn't stop picking at each other and let the most liberal of them - such as he is - take over the world. plus the republican base wasn't matching up ideologically with the republican establishment. the gope was focused for some reason on this conservative ideal, purity thing. Trump was multi dimensional, its not just a sliding scale from liberal to conservative, its a highly dimensional space that resists being projected onto a 1D line. You guys, and the republican establishment are the flatlanders, and trump is 3d. He can pass through your world at will, breaking into locked rooms by taking a higher dimentional shortcut he is simultaniously one of the most liberal and most right wing republicans;
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SpaceGoku posted:remember in grade school if you got into a fight with someone half the time you'd end up friends afterwards because modern society has broken the community of humanity; we're all disconnected and alienated constantly set in competition against one another. least thats my take
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