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kingcom posted:Yeah theres lots of stuff people assume is part of the OT but really is completely separate from it. Like Sith never gets mentioned up as a thing and jedi use lightsabers because vader has one but the emperor doesnt. There are jedi and the emperor who was just something else. Also the idea of a light and dark side of the force isn't really what is talked about in Empire as its more 'the force' and the dark side. I think luke mentions the light in terms of whats stronger but yoda kinda never refers to it in those terms. Its just the force and a perversion of the force. Prior to the prequels, as a kid, we always talked about Vader and the Emperor being Dark Jedi. I think that comes from Jedi Knight and Jerec and all that. It's also used in KOTOR to describe some of Malak's goons with the bandanas and hoods you run into on Tatooine and elsewhere, which I thought was kinda cool.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Sheev's aide/buddy/whatever from the PT, Pas Ameeda (might be getting this name totally wrong, the blue guy) is the Imperial Grand Vizier in the new canon. He was also the Imperial GV or some similar highly ranked position in the old canon. Come to think of it, there were a ton of highly ranked/influential aliens in the old canon Empire, just not many in military. I still can't get over how hilarious it is some writer felt the need to establish blacks as a separate species from a singular planet in the old canon. Did they try to do this with the Asians as well?
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:I still can't get over how hilarious it is some writer felt the need to establish blacks as a separate species from a singular planet in the old canon. Did they try to do this with the Asians as well? *cough*
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Yeah, but so was the Rebellion for the first two movies, and even in the third all you've got alienwise is Ackbar and his staff, Lando's Copilot, and a reference to "Bothans" who, being just a name, aren't necessarily aliens if the three movies exist in a vacuum. Do you need more than that? Ackbar and a bunch of weird aliens are the main crew of the capital fleet. A black general is leading the assault with his alien copilots. A woman is part of a landing team that features 2 aliens. A network of alien spies are responsible for the information on the attack. In the attack itself there is a black x-wing pilot. The empire is defeated with the help of an indigenous alien population. I mean I think just having Ackbar and his fleet alone is enough to signal the multiculturalism of the rebellion vs the all white men all the time nature of the Empire. Especially when we go from: multiracial republic in the prequels downfall into old white bureaucrats and nazi officers.
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The rebels were undoubtedly racists, Chewie didn't get a medal. They may have thought of themselves as progressive, but its their actions and unspoken biases that reveal their true nature.
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How the hell did Lando even get made a General like 5 minutes after he joined the Rebellion? Han using his influence to land cushy gigs for his buddies? Seems a bit irresponsible to give such an important command to a new guy purely because Solo said "He's cool. He's with me."
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Especially when he had direct links to Darth Vader.
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DurosKlav posted:How the hell did Lando even get made a General like 5 minutes after he joined the Rebellion? Han using his influence to land cushy gigs for his buddies? Seems a bit irresponsible to give such an important command to a new guy purely because Solo said "He's cool. He's with me." He won the rank in a game of space poker.
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DurosKlav posted:How the hell did Lando even get made a General like 5 minutes after he joined the Rebellion? Han using his influence to land cushy gigs for his buddies? Seems a bit irresponsible to give such an important command to a new guy purely because Solo said "He's cool. He's with me." You didn't see his maneuver at the battle of taanab?
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He obviously seduced Mon Mothma (or Dodonna)
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drunkill posted:He obviously seduced Mon Mothra
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Chickenwalker posted:Prior to the prequels, as a kid, we always talked about Vader and the Emperor being Dark Jedi. I think that comes from Jedi Knight and Jerec and all that. It's also used in KOTOR to describe some of Malak's goons with the bandanas and hoods you run into on Tatooine and elsewhere, which I thought was kinda cool. Yeah, this was a total culture shock for me when I decided to crack open a pdf of West End Game's Dark Empire supplement. It really makes you realize how little Star Wars lore used to exist when there is just "the Holocron" and it's all mysterious, it's just Jedi and Dark Jedi, the books states that there was no culture of dark side users because of how selfish the power is and how Sidious is breaking this by writing books, and all the like. It honestly feels like you're reading something from a different franchise all together
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:The rebels were undoubtedly racists, Chewie didn't get a medal. They may have thought of themselves as progressive, but its their actions and unspoken biases that reveal their true nature. He didn't even get a goddamn hug when his heterosexual life partner died.
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TheCenturion posted:He didn't even get a goddamn hug when his heterosexual life partner died. Leia has always been racist about Wookiees: "Will someone get this walking carpet out of my way?"
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Lando ran Cloud City, he obviously has organisational skills, and probably bought a shitload of connections and resources with him. He's more than just a pretty face.
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Vitamin P posted:Lando ran Cloud City, he obviously has organisational skills, and probably bought a shitload of connections and resources with him. He's more than just a pretty face. 
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Why are you ragging on a guy for spending money on a high end computer to run his business?
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Dave Syndrome posted:Leia has always been racist about Wookiees: "Will someone get this walking carpet out of my way?" This makes a lot of sense, actually. She'd have been raised in Imperial culture, and she worked in the Senate with the Imperial bureaucracy, and she'd have picked elements of that up, even having old Republic sympathies. And yeah, a good manager hires and delegates well, and Lando did try to do right by his people.
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Leia did hug chewy on their way to the aztec planet
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if the Defender is going to be similar to the game then they should be worried about the fact that they have hyperdrive. Also I think Kallus' days are numbered 
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I'm hoping for a bit of a cat-and-mouse scenario, given that Thrawn obviously knows what's up, and so does Kallus. The former literally came out and said that he wants to exploit the latter, who knows he can't simply bolt without endangering the Rebels.
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My money is on a last minute save. Either that or a heroic last stand to save the Phoenix crew.Aces High posted:if the Defender is going to be similar to the game then they should be worried about the fact that they have hyperdrive. I hope this means we'll see the X-Wing as a counter to them. That or the B-Wing. drat, it's going to be like a custom simulation mission from X-Wing:Alliance.
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tribbledirigible posted:My money is on a last minute save. Either that or a heroic last stand to save the Phoenix crew. Well, they already showed us the prototype B-Wing last season.
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Nah. They'll all be taken out by Wedge Antilles. Flying a ywing.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Nah. They'll all be taken out by Wedge Antilles. Flying a ywing. The Ywing is the cadillac of the stars  Of course it chumps defenders
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Zebulon posted:Well, they already showed us the prototype B-Wing last season. Yes, but I meant seeing a squadron exiting hyperspace amd wiping the smugness off Imperial pilots' faces.
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tribbledirigible posted:Yes, but I meant seeing a squadron exiting hyperspace amd wiping the smugness off Imperial pilots' faces. Yeah, just saying that they left that door open. That ep ended on the Mon Calamari dude heading off to perfect it for mass production, didn't it?
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Zebulon posted:Yeah, just saying that they left that door open. That ep ended on the Mon Calamari dude heading off to perfect it for mass production, didn't it? Yes, and Bail Organa had a factory lined up for the secret job as well
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I predict it will end in a duel with psuedosoontir in the tie/d and Wedge in something else
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bunnyofdoom posted:I predict it will end in a duel with psuedosoontir in the tie/d and Wedge in something else Have they already created a Soontir Fel analog? With all the other legends stuff being added, I could see almost everything is possible.
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twistedmentat posted:Have they already created a Soontir Fel analog? With all the other legends stuff being added, I could see almost everything is possible. Captain Moustache the interceptor pilot, from the Skystrike Academy
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so how did we go from the old canon being tossed out to everything old is new? Reminds me of when my cousin told me that Rey could be Luke's daughter because "he had kids in the books"
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Aces High posted:so how did we go from the old canon being tossed out to everything old is new? I got into a silly argument not too long about by someone who really believes Rey is Obi-Wan's daughter, and all I could ask "How? The time between the ANH and TFA is like 30 years, how could Obi-wan have a daughter that is like 18" and they could only quote the evidence supporting the theory, rather than addressing my question. Eventually though they said "I don't believe Rey could be likes Daughter because he's meant to have a son." I liked Star Wars books too, a lot, hell read pretty much every one since the late 90s until Disney acquired the rights, but it's fine that it's gone. NTRabbit posted:Captain Moustache the interceptor pilot, from the Skystrike Academy Ah yes forgot about him. I hope they reveal Thrawn based it on the fighters used by his own people, I love me some Clawcraft.
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Good things can be kept and recycled. Bad things (EG: Vong, Darksaber, Mando Mil-Fascist Fetishism, Darth Emo Jacen, Mara Jade, etc etc) can be thrown in the trash.
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The problem is that what gets turned back into canon is almost always up for grabs by who's creatively in charge. Look at how much of "Classic" DC characters came back into play the second Geoff Johns got his hands on the throttle at DC, or the huge amount of characters brought into mainstream Marvel when Bendis rose to prominence. There's a lot of garbage in the EU, but there's also a lot of stuff that we'd disagree on being awful. I would definitely be up for Mara Jade returning, as I found her a great foil for Luke. Similarly though, I'm also cool with remixing and repurposing ideas to streamline the universe. Much as the nostalgia speaks, I don't really need Kyle Katarn when we've got Kanaan running around doing the same basic things.
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Narcissus1916 posted:The problem is that what gets turned back into canon is almost always up for grabs by who's creatively in charge. Look at how much of "Classic" DC characters came back into play the second Geoff Johns got his hands on the throttle at DC, or the huge amount of characters brought into mainstream Marvel when Bendis rose to prominence. That is why the Lucas Story Group exists, granted its member ship can change, but its still a multi-person body that approves all story stuff.
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"Whoa, I didn't realize that the name of the Epicanthix species was probably derived from epicanthic fold. That's… uncomfortable." ―Daniel Wallace
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Tie Fighter. The one from Rebel Assault 2 had three straight vanes and a cloaking device.
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