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Beet Wagon posted:It's pretty funny how we've become comic book supervillains to those guys. Part of me feels obligated to correct the narrative, but on the other hand letting people like Cymelion believe that we have some kind of master plan to get all the citizens to refund is probably the funnier option. nice double-reverse troll if only they knew about the deets in operation Scorched Girth
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nawledgelambo posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/5gdiyl/another_of_star_citizens_more_prominent_backers/darpri4/ The idea that people who got their refunds will be incredibly pissed if the game comes out and is good is so loving bizarre. If you were in for $3000 and got a complete refund, and then two years later the game comes out, CIG will still gladly take your sixty space-bucks. A business isn't going to refuse your money. They're going to want you to pay your money, get into the game, and then spend some more money on other idiotic micro/macro-transactions. And even if they did, all it would take to circumvent their policy is a different credit card and maybe a new e-mail address. You take your 3 grand out, then pay them 60 bucks once the thing you asked for is done for a net gain of $2940. Why would anyone be mad about that arrangement?
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Natron posted:The idea that people who got their refunds will be incredibly pissed if the game comes out and is good is so loving bizarre. Do they even have a policy that prevents people buying back in after a refund? That would be a hilarous exercise in CIG self ego massaging, financial suicide for a young business with no products on the table though. I think they know that the game isn't ever going to be released in 'completed' state. Of course at the point when 90% of it is done, the core of our solar system, Sol the giant ball of really hot gas, will have expanded its boundries way beyond the point in which our planet is consumed, much like how dohnuts are consumed by the ever expanding land based lard formation known as Lesnick-B. ('is fat' jokes have been sparse in this incarnation of the thread) Sabreseven fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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Natron posted:The idea that people who got their refunds will be incredibly pissed if the game comes out and is good is so loving bizarre. Obviously obsessive Star Citizen fans who can't shake that nagging doubt in the back of their head that things aren't going well and maybe that $2940 might be needed to complete this
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Acquilae posted:It's like CRobbers finished watching Ender's Game, snorted a line and made the developers push the entire schedule to put sataball as priority #1, then did another line before passing out/burying his head into a mountain of coke on his desk and forgot about sataball when he woke up. I'm betting he yelled at them for not making SATABall top priority after watching Ender's Game and then yelled at them for making it their top priority when there's mocap footage to integrate just like Steve Jobs would have done 
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Refund Cascade lol. I like how he capitalized that Activate protocol Instigator Value Demander Sigma
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Beet Wagon posted:It's pretty funny how we've become comic book supervillains to those guys. Part of me feels obligated to correct the narrative, but on the other hand letting people like Cymelion believe that we have some kind of master plan to get all the citizens to refund is probably the funnier option. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U
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Ayn Marx posted:Activate protocol Instigator Value Demander Sigma Sir, you do realize that means changing the bulb? *bonus points if you get the reference*
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Sabreseven posted:Sir, you do realize that means changing the bulb? Red Dwarf 
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peter gabriel posted:Red Dwarf *Ding* You win an entire internets, use it wisely 
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his nibs posted:operation Scorched Girth Is that the one where someone sets fire to Ben?
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I don't get these Internet references, by Vectron
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cool new Polack jokes posted:wtf is santaball Zero-g reindeer polo.
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Between the refunder post about their account being left active and Cymelion--I'm really wanting to see if some begging can be done to reopen an account. Which would lead to me turning into a giggling skanhunt42 a few months later when asking for another refund. e: Sabreseven posted:Do they even have a policy that prevents people buying back in after a refund? That would be a hilarous exercise in CIG self ego massaging, financial suicide for a young business with no products on the table though. CIG is being a bit gentler, lately: CIG Refunds posted:From an account standpoint, once you have requested a refund of your pledge, your account will no longer be active and you will lose access to any ships, upgrades, and special items that you have received as a backer. If you were to decide to re-join in the future, you would not be given any benefits as a former backer, thereby losing your limited edition ships and potentially having to pay more to play the game down the road. HycoCam fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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Natron posted:The idea that people who got their refunds will be incredibly pissed if the game comes out and is good is so loving bizarre. Somewhere in that comment chain one of those morons postulates that refunders would be too scared to sign back up with their original name, as though there's some overwhelming shame (or fear of being on one of their "kill on sight" lists haha) that would stop me or anyone else from playing a videogame with the name they use everywhere else. If anything, should the game come out I'm going to be blasting threadmemes into chat while I ram my stupid little shitbox into their $890.00 dream.
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Mu77ley posted:Is that the one where someone sets fire to Ben? Caused by his thighs rubbing together......
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Sabreseven posted:Yes, watch that, in fact, gather your family around the monitor and turn your speakers up. Look I'm going to watch this whole thing intently but I want it understood that I'm only doing it to see if any members of the CiG senior management show up in it anywhere.
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I.N.R.I posted:Hi everyone, hope youre having a fabulous day hating the videogame and the people who play it. This is just a quick reminder for you to call or visit your parents wherever possible because they raised you with love and care about you Screaming at the computer game is part of my emotionally balanced day. Please advise for more appropriate objects to scream at it is absolutely necessary to scream at objects. Thank you
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Beet Wagon posted:Somewhere in that comment chain one of those morons postulates that refunders would be too scared to sign back up with their original name, as though there's some overwhelming shame (or fear of being on one of their "kill on sight" lists haha) that would stop me or anyone else from playing a videogame with the name they use everywhere else. If anything, should the game come out I'm going to be blasting threadmemes into chat while I ram my stupid little shitbox into their $890.00 dream. People thought the same thing when I was banned, as if being purged from their overmoderated hug box would keep me from somehow playing the game.
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Sabreseven posted:I think they know that the game isn't ever going to be released in 'completed' state. Of course at the point when 90% of it is done, the core of our solar system, Sol the giant ball of really hot gas, will have expanded its boundries way beyond the point in which our planet is consumed, much like how dohnuts are consumed by the ever expanding land based lard formation known as Lesnick-B. ('is fat' jokes have been sparse in this incarnation of the thread) The biggest challenge they will face is transitioning from the current funding model of massive macro transaction fueled by Hype/marketing trikery (sizzle reel, artificial scarcity, new cash rebate) to an "ongoing" operation. From what we gather this game has serious infrastructure needs, if only in patching bandwith and while the current whale are perfectly fine with spending a few bricks to fuel the dream, once they have something they can immerse themselve in game they will gradually stop spending. If you love cargo running, once you have a Hull E with your Where will the money needed to cover maintenance and further dev will come ? How will they retrain the whales from spending a lot on concept to spend a little every month ? They dont have levels or tiers so they cant have premium account get %more rewards. Gun renting schemes never sold good on PC platforms. Allowing backers to own while new player to only rent would please backers but keep out a lot of new money. They dont have enchants or tech upgrades, so no selling enchants or protection items. Selling fuel and ammo might work, but nothing crash immersion like having to pay your fuel like you do with your car. They promised no subs They promised no p2W - all sould be skill based. Unless they go back on the pledge (not that its above them) i really wonder how they will pull it off. aleksendr fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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KM Scorchio posted:I've been looking around online for information on this "Tickled" film and came up with something called "Gay Tickled Asian Twinks 7". Is this the thing you're all watching that is good, cos if so i'm, all over it. Taint Reaper 2: Tickle Sickle
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MW5 looks great! I feel so bad for how upset I was with PGI and MWO back in the day. Hope we can still be friends. Wonder if MWO will let me buy back in?!  PGI and MWO--huge successes if you've been following Star Citizen since 2012.
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aleksendr posted:The biggest challenge they will face is transitioning from the current funding model of massive macro transaction fueled by Hype/marketing trikery (sizzle reel, artificial scarcity, new cash rebate) to an "ongoing" operation. From what we gather this game has serious infrastructure needs, if only in patching bandwith and while the current whale are perfectly fine with spending a few bricks to fuel the dream, once they have something the can immerse themselve in game they will gradually stop spending. If you love cargo running, once you have a Hull E with your I spent a lot of time arguing with backers over this, and in the end the only way I could think of making it work was a secondary cosmetic only currency. It would be exchangeable in game so that lazy players could buy credits with cash, and since it's only for cosmetic items Pay2Win isn't an issue. Plus it's a good way to counter inflation.
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aleksendr posted:Selling fuel and ammo might work, but nothing crash immersion like having to pay your fuel like you do with your car. 
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Solomonic posted:Come back to the thread, Karl why would he come back, he'd just get banned/probated by the new mods
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How many people are even capable of having a conversation like that without suddenly realising "my god... none of this has been thought through has it?"
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$50 gets you a week of driving a car. But you're going to need $150 a night in Star Citizen for the Caterpillar. But that makes a bunch of sense. Look how much larger and heavier the Caterpillar is. You're actually getting a really, really good deal with those UEC credits.
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Godmode Enabled posted:I had this ship and refunded it a while ago after we figured out this game prob wasn't going to be a thing. Its about what I was expecting. A space train with lots of Storage to move That version actually looks better than the one they have now, but I can see how it's not really modular where you can insert identically sized modules between it and grow/shrink it. It reminds me back when the CIG designs were pretty neat and the game was still a real possibility to occur. It's too bad they can't recapture that and roll with it. But I guess a game like that would not need 800 hours of motion capture and AAA actors. Just good, fun gameplay. That one of many things CIG doesn't know how to focus effort into.
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Booourns posted:why would he come back, he'd just get banned/probated by the new mods (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I spent a lot of time arguing with backers over this, and in the end the only way I could think of making it work was a secondary cosmetic only currency. It would be exchangeable in game so that lazy players could buy credits with cash, and since it's only for cosmetic items Pay2Win isn't an issue. Plus it's a good way to counter inflation. I am still convinced the only way this company will be able to survive is by a subscription method.
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HycoCam posted:$50 gets you a week of driving a car. But you're going to need $150 a night in Star Citizen for the Caterpillar. But that makes a bunch of sense. Look how much larger and heavier the Caterpillar is. You're actually getting a really, really good deal with those UEC credits. If you buy a RSI Gas gift card in-game using your MISC credit card you can get points you can use to fly in the most prestigious starliners and courtesy hairy roberts.
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Tippis posted:Zero-g reindeer polo. I would legit play that game.
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Beet Wagon posted:It's pretty funny how we've become comic book supervillains to those guys. Part of me feels obligated to correct the narrative, but on the other hand letting people like Cymelion believe that we have some kind of master plan to get all the citizens to refund is probably the funnier option. It's because Star Citizen can't be at fault. Chris Roberts is infallible. CIG is a team who's only equal maybe Rockstar if they were lucky. Etc etc. As time goes though this will happen more and more. I still don't understand how they made millions off of their last showing. Logically tonne it seems like "FPS gameplay" is exactly not what the people who play Star Citizen want. I must be in the minority though, as a potential backer. I'd love to get a Starflight/Freelance type mash up. Even if it's a single player game. I'm not very good at FPS games, and if Star Citizen actually happens the amount of griefing CIG introduced because of this FPS nonsense will be off the chart. Every big ship will be 100% NPC because the first dozen times Captain Solo is shot in the back of the head and his ship is stolen by a "loyal crew member" will be the end. CIG builds these ideas with seemingly no idea what the obvious ramifications will be. Ultimately if Star Citizen is ever made, it will not be a fun game. Nobody will trust anybody unless they are friends from outside that game. People will keep tallies of how much they've ruined players who bought ships by stealing or destroying them. It will be a griefing paradise. Star Citizen will just not be fun; unless you play it in a controlled environment or single player. Eventually people may think about the future gameplay instead of buying the next concept sale. But that would require people to demand CIG actually start explaining this poo poo ideas they've promised. "PvP slider" doesn't even make sense. 
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Whatever happened to that space cat game someone was making? You know I'm the one that looked more fun to play than anything produced by the multinational CiG studios despite being made by one guy loving about.
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Decrepus posted:Remember that the only 2 things Chris has said "No" to in regards to Star Citizen are cow bacon and the ability to be pulled into and crushed to death in the loading mechanism of a missile launcher as it loads a fully rendered high polygon missile. I forgot about the highly detailed WW2 torpedo loading mechanics players can engage in. I wish the backers would ask about this crazy stuff and pin CIG down into giving answers. But deep down inside I know they don't want to ask because they don't want to be told the sickening and heartbreaking truth about these promises. It's like a person who had something horrible happen to them, and instead of face reality they just ignore that event like it didn't happen. 
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Acquilae posted:It's like CRobbers finished watching Ender's Game, snorted a line and made the developers push the entire schedule to put sataball as priority #1, then did another line before passing out/burying his head into a mountain of coke on his desk and forgot about sataball when he woke up. And then he kicked back to read "Ready, Player One" which totally copied his playing video games inside a video game idea. Ortwin must have talked him out of suing Spielberg for making a movie out of it though.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I spent a lot of time arguing with backers over this, and in the end the only way I could think of making it work was a secondary cosmetic only currency. It would be exchangeable in game so that lazy players could buy credits with cash, and since it's only for cosmetic items Pay2Win isn't an issue. Plus it's a good way to counter inflation. For that to work you would need a serious churn rate of new players buying one-two cosmetics before moving on while a few social butterfly have to try them all. The usuall fremium MMO is bult on the idea of making you spend 10$ before you gently caress off to other games but the game is built on that model form ground zero. SC is the absolute opposite of ''just download it to try it out' this week end'. The control scheme alone could turn a good % of newcomers off and they have no tutorials yet. A cosmetic market would probably reach saturation quickly and they already gave about 1500M UEC to backers in pre-reg, not counting the pyramid scheme rewards they put in place to entice word of mouth. Add the fidelity madness of the crobblers taking a day to describe a jacket and i dont think cosmetics alone can keep them in the black, especially if the backers are as obessive playing the game as they are defending it. 200k person playing 6-10 hours a day (many are unemployed-disabled) without p2p matchmaking eat a lot of upload. The moment they put a ship for sale for in game money it will come crashing down.
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Natron posted:The idea that people who got their refunds will be incredibly pissed if the game comes out and is good is so loving bizarre. Somehow the "us us us" narrative that CIG employs has really hit home with select people. They feel pride in seeing the numbers go up, like it's some sort of a fund to build a shelter for the needy instead of a video game. They must think they are going on vacation too when Chris or somebody near him posts pictures from his world travels across all the expensive holiday locals for the filthy rich.
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Can anyone remember the video where crobbler explains ships going into "silent" mode, where he literally describes it as the ship being quieter so no one can hear you (ala wig commandos the movie), rather than reducing it's EM/Radiation/heat/whatever signature?
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