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thebigcow posted:Amazon is taking pre-orders for the 960 EVO, claiming a release date of December 11. I gave up on waiting and ordered the 950 Pro some time ago. 
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Ignoranus posted:I'm (finally) upgrading my whole PC - moving from my (ca. 2009) Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (it had an AMD 770 CPU slot, for reference) and upgrading to an Asus Z170A. I remember that when I originally bought my first SSD last year (Samsung 840) I had to do some BIOS setting changes to make it work properly with the SSD - I don't see anything about that in the new OP, is this no longer something I need to sweat? I'm just re-quoting myself in hopes of an answer on this one. I am assuming that it's more straightforward than it was with my old motherboard?
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Ignoranus posted:I'm just re-quoting myself in hopes of an answer on this one. I am assuming that it's more straightforward than it was with my old motherboard? Any Z170 board should default to AHCI
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metallicaeg posted:Any Z170 board should default to AHCI Excellent, thanks!
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So I just got my NVMe disk installed. HOLY MOLY; its mostly innocuous so far, but little things are just _so_ responsive its ridiculous. Funny as it is, based on what I do all the time, the most noticable change is in the time it takes to open a PowerShell prompt and have it be fully loaded and responsive. Previously 3-4seconds; now instant. Is that going to save me the time to justify the cost ever? Nope. But its fuckin sweet. I am pleased. I'm playing this fun game of "what should I keep on the NVMe disk; and what should live on the 850 Pro as a scratch disk" - namely trying to cherry pick VMs I want to by hyper responsive.
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Walked posted:So I just got my NVMe disk installed. Remember to try turning disk cache entirely off for the NVMe disk, it may improve performance.
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My trusty pocket VAR and my team go to lunch occasionally. I think we tipped our collective hands on nvme excitement too hard. She threw an sm951 in the last laptop workstation we bought "on the house." Lord, that is a nice freggin drive. Now I have to pay for premium Samsung drives where midrange would have been okay because half my workstation-level customers have heard about the  power of premium nvme.Well done, sales person. Well done.
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Potato Salad posted:My trusty pocket VAR and my team go to lunch occasionally. I think we tipped our collective hands on nvme excitement too hard. She threw an sm951 in the last laptop workstation we bought "on the house." Yeah, we've got NVME in the last few Precision laptops we've ordered. Sweet jesus christ. SSD's in everything new from now on, and ordering a bucketload to upgrade older-but-still-okay systems.
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Anyone knows why the 850 EVO prices have jump up a lot? Also any decent alternatives? (long life is more important to me than speed.)
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makere posted:Anyone knows why the 850 EVO prices have jump up a lot? Also any decent alternatives? (long life is more important to me than speed.) SSD Prices Skyrocket As NAND Shortage Deepens, HDD Shortage Looms As Components Become Scarce: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-hdd-shortage-nand-market,33112.html
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Fame Douglas posted:SSD Prices Skyrocket As NAND Shortage Deepens, HDD Shortage Looms As Components Become Scarce: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-hdd-shortage-nand-market,33112.html This probably didn't help, but at least for the 850 EVO, I think it's just Samsung/retailers milking the high demand. When you have the #1 rated, #1 fastest, and #1 best selling SATA drive, there's really little motivation to drop prices any faster than they are falling for SSDs in general. This Camelcamelcamel chart shows the 500GB 850 EVO, where it's clear that the Black Friday to Cyber Monday pricing was just a short blip. The price has returned to the standard level. 
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B-Nasty posted:This probably didn't help, but at least for the 850 EVO, I think it's just Samsung/retailers milking the high demand. When you have the #1 rated, #1 fastest, and #1 best selling SATA drive, there's really little motivation to drop prices any faster than they are falling for SSDs in general. This Camelcamelcamel chart shows the 500GB 850 EVO, where it's clear that the Black Friday to Cyber Monday pricing was just a short blip. The price has returned to the standard level. Yeah, I didn't really *need* the 1TB EVO sitting on top of my computer at the moment, but I couldn't pass up 1TB for $225, since I'm pretty sure it won't hit that again for quite some time.
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Just a quick trip report on that Intel 600p (512GB). I put it into a system built for a buddy, i76600, 16 GB. It installed windows, booted and browsed the web faster than anything I've seen before. This is coming from Samsung 840 SATA drives. I suspect that even though the drive is pretty much the slowest nvme out there. I think as an OS drive it's actually in a pretty good niche. Being Intel it should hopefully be reliable and well supported. The price jump from it to the Samsung stuff is just so big.
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I moved from a 256GB Plextor M6e to a 512GB 600p just so I could drop the SATA SSD Steam drive in my gaming build, and while the benchmarks say it should be slower I can't really notice the difference. The Plextor had a giant BIOS screen on post that did nothing but slow down my cold boot times, so the Intel might be "faster" because it doesn't hold up things with something similar. That said, I've got a 1TB 960 Evo on pre-order.
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After that Spotify bullshit, I've been casually looking at writes. Is it normal to gain 40GB of writes over five hours, or is Windows (or some app in it) just so loving busy to generate this? I have had some Windows Update process run in the background, tho.
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What is going on during that time? Perhaps open the resource monitor for a bit and see what is using top drive i/o.
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It would be useful with a program that monitors the amount of writes on an SSD over time and warns if some threshold is crossed. Maybe even identify the programs at fault.
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Potato Salad posted:What is going on during that time? nielsm posted:It would be useful with a program that monitors the amount of writes on an SSD over time and warns if some threshold is crossed. Maybe even identify the programs at fault. --edit: Seems like Process Explorer has accumulated IO writes. Only thing that stands out is Steam with 69GB of write IO, but that value is over the whole uptime, which over nearly 10 days, and I did download Watchdogs 2. Kind of looks like all those SSD writes come from small writes in the operating system getting amplified or some thing. --edit2: In absolute write count the Chrome browser and the Adobe poo poo stands out. Gonna move the browser cache to the spare SSD and kill the Adobe poo poo unless absolutely needed. Let's see what this does. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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Ordered the 1TB 850 Evo from Amazon and still haven't gotten the Watch Dogs 2 code. Support told me to pound sand and talk to the manufacturer. Hopefully this isn't a huge pain to get them to redeem it.
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Bit of a strange question - does the Sandisk X400 come with cloning software? If not, Macrium should be fine, but we're migrating a few systems at work to SSD's and I wasn't 100% sure if the Sandisk's came with something like Samsung's data-migration tool.
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Holy gently caress, another 500GB were written over 24 hours. All that happened was mostly a bunch of browsing sessions and Steam downloading 30GB in updates. What in the living gently caress is wrong with this system? This must be a recent thing, too, since the SSD is seven months old and with 500GB a day there'd be way more write endurance used up. IO writes stats in Process Explorer tell me nothing. --edit: Trying Process Monitor now... Chrome is frequently writing a lot of tiny updates to the loving cookie database, even when it's idling. Spotify's stupid database also pops up more than I'd like, even tho it's idling. Why the hell can't apps just do nothing, if they're not being used while running? Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Work is letting me buy a 500 GB SSD for my laptop, so just plain old SATA. It looks like both the 850 EVO and X400 are roughly the same price over here. So with price being equal, should I order the 850 EVO or the X400? It's a laptop/workstation running Linux if that matters for either one of those (maybe one controller plays nicer with Linux or whatever). The laptop already has a 250ish GB SSD so it's not like I'm upgrading from a spinning drive. I plan on keeping the old SSD inside and using it as a drive to to store automatic snapshots to I think. e: I wanted to do full disc encryption too.
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Are mSATA drives effectively dead? Like all the new drives are going to be SATA or M.2 right?
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Combat Pretzel posted:Chrome is frequently writing a lot of tiny updates to the loving cookie database, even when it's idling. Chrome://Settings, click on Advanced, then scroll down to System. Uncheck "Continue running background apps when Google Chrome is closed"
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Combat Pretzel posted:Holy gently caress, another 500GB were written over 24 hours. All that happened was mostly a bunch of browsing sessions and Steam downloading 30GB in updates. What in the living gently caress is wrong with this system? This must be a recent thing, too, since the SSD is seven months old and with 500GB a day there'd be way more write endurance used up. IO writes stats in Process Explorer tell me nothing. Hmmm this explains alot. I have a surface pro 4 and I switched from chrome to edge because chrome absolutely destroys battery life. It never occured to me to check how frequently it was writing to the ssd.
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Stop using Chrome, possibly? At least for a day or two and see if that's realky the issue? FF if you want a big popular browser, Opera if you need Webkit?
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According to Process Explorer, Chrome amassed around 13GB of writes, probably a large part of it Youtube video streaming. How everything else amplifies to almost 500GB is really beyond me. I wish there was a performance logging tool that'd log Total Bytes Written over time, to see whether it happens at specific times and something else is loving me over, like a runaway Windows Update process or whatever. Process Explorer only shows the IO of running processes, after all. --edit: Yea, gonna look into Firefox I guess. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:According to Process Explorer, Chrome amassed around 13GB of writes, probably a large part of it Youtube video streaming. How everything else amplifies to almost 500GB is really beyond me. I wish there was a performance logging tool that'd log Total Bytes Written over time, to see whether it happens at specific times and something else is loving me over, like a runaway Windows Update process or whatever. Process Explorer only shows the IO of running processes, after all. Well Spotify for awhile was doing massive amounts of writes if you're still using it/were using it during that time.
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Potato Salad posted:Opera if you need Webkit? I think you meant to write Vivaldi https://vivaldi.com/?lang=en - it's the new Opera. havenwaters posted:Well Spotify for awhile was doing massive amounts of writes if you're still using it/were using it during that time. Yep, latest Spotify update rectifies the issue. So check if there are any updates available.
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Hi goons, I've got a DVS Clipster video editing system, which currently has two RAID arrays each of which are made up of (12) 500GB Seagate 15K RPM Cheetahs and an Adaptec 51245 controller. It's basically the previous model of this guy: https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/us/product/clp6-productstartpage_63493-229148.html Thanks to the assholes at DVS selling a $140,000 computer without having any RAID monitoring software installed 5 drives failed in the two RAIDs without anyone knowing. One of the RAIDs has a bad stripe, the other may or may not be recoverable. On top of that Adaptec's lovely software doesn't allow you to monitor the hard drive temperatures so I suspect that the problem is heat. It's also out of warranty because my company decided to not get a $30,000 support contract. Anyway, I want to replace the Cheetahs with SSDs because I don't want to deal with this again. This system will be doing some heavy video editing, as well as high frame rate 4K playback over HDMI & SDI (48, 60, maybe even 120fps in the far far far future). Due to the system configuration I'm limited to 2.5" form factor drives, and if I'm reading the OP right my best bet would probably be the Intel DC series. Am I right in thinking this, and could you recommend a particular model number? Also, the compatibility data on the Adaptech 51245 with SSDs is from 2013. Does anyone have any experience running newer SSDs on slight older RAID controllers? Thanks Risket fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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What sort of sustained transfer rates do you require? A lone SSD on 6 GB/s SATA can deliver around 500 MB/s read and 300 MB/s write in the best cases, I don't know if RAID controllers are actually able to improve on that. Intel's datacenter SSDs will probably work for the kind of workload, but Samsung's 850 Pro series should also be suitable. Pretty much any SATA or SAS attached SSD sold today is 2.5" form factor, the only exception being the 60 TB monstrosity Seagate has. Consider PCI-e storage instead, if you have enough free slots and lanes, you can reach above 3 GB/s with single cards of those. Of course that requires OS support and possibly extra drivers.
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Risket posted:Anyway, I want to replace the Cheetahs with SSDs because I don't want to deal with this again. This system will be doing some heavy video editing, as well as high frame rate 4K playback (48, 60, maybe even 120fps in the far far far future). Due to the system configuration I'm limited to 2.5" form factor drives, and if I'm reading the OP right my best bet would probably be the Intel DC series. Am I right in thinking this, and could you recommend a particular model number? the 850 pro is for all intents and purposes the same drive and much cheaper but is not officially warrantied for enterprise uses like this. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/M2M/html/ssd845dcpro/compatibility.html#ssd845dcpro_adaptec
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Risket posted:Anyway, I want to replace the Cheetahs with SSDs because I don't want to deal with this again. This system will be doing some heavy video editing, as well as high frame rate 4K playback over HDMI & SDI (48, 60, maybe even 120fps in the far far far future). Due to the system configuration I'm limited to 2.5" form factor drives, and if I'm reading the OP right my best bet would probably be the Intel DC series. Am I right in thinking this, and could you recommend a particular model number? You may be able to get by with just software RAID-1 or RAID-0 & SSDs, and skip the RAID controller altogether. I have 2x1tb Samsung 850 software RAID-0, and it's as fast as you would expect (2x), so if you were to take 4x SSDs, I think you'll easily match your 12x custom RAID setup, with a lot less hassle, noise, heat, and cost. Skandranon fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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nielsm posted:What sort of sustained transfer rates do you require? nielsm posted:Consider PCI-e storage instead, if you have enough free slots and lanes, you can reach above 3 GB/s with single cards of those. Of course that requires OS support and possibly extra drivers. Anime Schoolgirl posted:if you have a board revision c.1 or better the 845dc pro is a much better option Love the typo on that page. Nice job proof reading Samsung! Risket fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Skandranon posted:You may be able to get by with just software RAID-1 or RAID-0 & SSDs, and skip the RAID controller altogether. I have 2x1tb Samsung 850 software RAID-0, and it's as fast as you would expect (2x), so if you were to take 4x SSDs, I think you'll easily match your 12x custom RAID setup, with a lot less hassle, noise, and heat, and cost.
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Risket posted:Great idea, but not really an option in this system. The motherboard doesn't have any onboard SATA/SAS ports, so the only way I could do this would be to get a PCI-e SATA adapter and install it in place of a RAID controller. Well, try with current RAID card, and worst case scenario, a relatively inexpensive SATA or RAID card.
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So for a mid range gaming PC/laptop is the Evo 960 the best bet these days? Last time I checked the Evo 8 series was the go to consumer range. I would like a good deal but I don't need to pay the cheapest price.
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Hadlock posted:So for a mid range gaming PC/laptop is the Evo 960 the best bet these days? Last time I checked the Evo 8 series was the go to consumer range. I would like a good deal but I don't need to pay the cheapest price. It depends. The 960 EVO is a NVMe drive and accordingly expensive. The 850 EVO comes in M.2 and 2.5in formats, and is SATA 3, not NVMe. That is to say it's significantly less expensive. The Sandisk x400 is generally cheaper than the 850 EVO and about as good.
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