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Leon Einstein posted:I don't think the smoke break one is unreasonable. Why do smokers feel they're entitled to more breaks than people that aren't jacking up the group health insurance rates? Yea smoke breaks are some bullshit. I want breaks and to not get cancer. It's weird because it sounds like he's in an office environment and most white collar jobs are cool with you getting up and taking a break kinda whenever as long as your work is getting done. I tend to associate the idea of smoke breaks with retail or food service.
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Do you guys work places where you can only get breaks if you smoke?
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Dec 6, 2016 18:08
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:It's because telling a human being precisely how many short breaks they can take in a workday is explicitly dehumanizing and unreasonable and it's a drat shame that anyone is forced to tolerate such nonsense. Whether you use that break to smoke or not is orthogonal.
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Leon Einstein posted:Yeah, people should just be able to work when they feel like it. God forbid their employer has a say in it.
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Dec 6, 2016 18:09
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Do you guys work places where you can only get breaks if you smoke? Not currently, but I have worked in places where smokers get smoke breaks in addition to their regular breaks and non-smokers get their regular breaks but don't have access to these bonus ones unless they smoke. Leon Einstein posted:Yeah, people should just be able to work when they feel like it. God forbid their employer has a say in it. Oh come on you know what he meant.
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Dec 6, 2016 18:10
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Leon Einstein posted:Yeah, people should just be able to work when they feel like it. God forbid their employer has a say in it. WampaLord posted:Not currently, but I have worked in places where smokers get smoke breaks in addition to their regular breaks and non-smokers get their regular breaks but don't have access to these bonus ones unless they smoke. Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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WampaLord posted:Not currently, but I have worked in places where smokers get smoke breaks in addition to their regular breaks and non-smokers get their regular breaks but don't have access to these bonus ones unless they smoke. Oh poo poo, that's weird. It still sounds like the redditor works in some place that overmanages his time, but if he's getting regular breaks on top of smoke breaks, then yeah he is kind of a baby. It really sounds like he just doesn't like working for his wife, though. His wife, on the other hand, probably really needs him to obey the rules so there isn't an appearance of favoritism.
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Dec 6, 2016 18:12
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:It's because telling a human being precisely how many short breaks they can take in a workday is explicitly dehumanizing and unreasonable and it's a drat shame that anyone is forced to tolerate such nonsense. Whether you use that break to smoke or not is orthogonal. Yeah, especially in an office environment you should just be able to take a break when you feel the need to. If someone is abusing breaks, it'll come through as reduced performance and they can be disciplined for that. Scheduling a less than five minute break and publicly calling out people being "off workflow" is ridiculous
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Dec 6, 2016 18:14
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Oh poo poo, that's weird. Maybe I'm a cynic but my gut says the smoke break rule is explicitly targeted at him - 3 guesses as to how his wife feels about him smoking. Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 18:16
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Dec 6, 2016 18:19
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When I was a retail manager who smoked I just told everyone they were allowed to take the occasional unofficial 5 minute break to do whatever they wanted with as long as they didn't take the piss. I got to go smoke, the non-smoker's got to take a little walk or get some fresh air, everyone was happy, people didn't take the piss because they felt respected. It's not hard. Now I work in an office and the concept of not being allowed to take 5 whenever baffles me in that context. Office jobs have loads of downtime anyway and if you're trying to solve a problem or whatever, taking a moment away from your desk is a good way to refresh your brain. I'll never understand managers who conflate time spent at your station with productivity.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Maybe I'm a cynic but my gut says the smoke break rule is explicitly targeted at him - 3 guesses as to how his wife feels about him smoking. That's a good catch, I hadn't considered that angle. No matter how you look at it, they definitely should not have promoted this dude's wife to manage him. That is so crazy to me.
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It's been proven a million times that breaks improve productivity overall and that generally speaking, excessively long hours and strict micromanagement simply reduces not only per hour productivity, but even overall output. The only places where it really benefits, and dubiously, is in places like call centres. People should be given free rein enough to make their decisions, and intervention is only necessary when it negatively impacts their performance. Her "rules" sound atrocious, and naming and shaming people away from "workflow" for five minutes, no matter what, is horrendous. So is a need to have "scheduled and approved" breaks in advance. gently caress that.
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Dec 6, 2016 18:22
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From that story a few pages back, the wife whose fiance (or whatever) wanted to ban her family from visiting:quote:Going into the whole backstory would take hours, but basically it's bad enough that I was NC for about two years and am now LC with everyone. What do NC and LC mean? Since the goon who quoted that post bolded that sentence, I'm guessing it's something significant I'm missing. Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Can we put a moratorium on people using sex as a verb? It's not, and just makes you look like you never have. "Sex" can be a verb, though it means determining the sex of an animal. (I used to breed fish) So it makes sentences like "could you please clear a pathway so I can sex you eaiser?" hilarious to me because it reads like "hey, can you shave so I can tell if you've got a milt vent or an ovipositor under all that hair?" It's also why this song made me snicker whenever I heard it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO6BtpIzIiM yo gurl, lemme check dat cloaca
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If someone gets promoted to manager and their first official act is to crack down on BREAK CULTURE that person is a major rear end in a top hat. Ditto for implementing a name and shame policy on anyone whose dying ember of humanity compels them to attempt escape from the existential hell of a non-stop intellectual assembly line. Sounds like the dude works for a lovely company and his wife just happens to embrace that company culture wholeheartedly. Meme Poker Party fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 18:25
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JacquelineDempsey posted:From that story a few pages back, the wife whose fiance (or whatever) wanted to ban her family from visiting: No contact/low contact. efb. She'd probably resigned herself to accepting a certain amount of abuse from mom in order to maintain a relationship with everyone else in the family.
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Chomp8645 posted:If someone gets promoted to manager and their first official act is to crack down on BREAK CULTURE that person is a major rear end in a top hat. Ditto for implementing a name and shame policy on anyone whose dying ember of humanity compels them to attempt escape from the existential hell of a non-stop intellectual assembly line. Gross I'm agreeing with you
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:he should unionise, as should the other employees.
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Dec 6, 2016 18:29
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Successfully starting a union at your workplace as a way to combat your own wife's workplace policies, now that would be an /r/relationships post for the ages. The redditor who pulled that off would make Pete look like an rear end in a top hat by comparison. e: This isn't an ultimatum. We're seizing the means of production.
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Dec 6, 2016 18:35
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i wonder what the guy who complained about smoke breaks thinks of office beers
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Dec 6, 2016 18:36
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boner confessor posted:i wonder what the guy who complained about smoke breaks thinks of office beers
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Dec 6, 2016 18:41
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Do they publicly shame you if you don't get pre-approved time off to poop in that office Sounds like the husband needs to rally the workers to seize the means of production
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Dec 6, 2016 18:42
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Chomp8645 posted:If someone gets promoted to manager and their first official act is to crack down on BREAK CULTURE that person is a major rear end in a top hat. Ditto for implementing a name and shame policy on anyone whose dying ember of humanity compels them to attempt escape from the existential hell of a non-stop intellectual assembly line. Guarantee you this will happen when his wife leaves: http://www.theonion.com/article/boss-going-away-party-a-little-too-jubilant-1737
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I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that there's a reason the redditor, who's been there a long time and pretty much started the department he's working at, wasn't promoted. He's a fucktard and should be kept on a tight leash. Also he should probly support his wife when she's in a new position.
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Syncopated posted:I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that there's a reason the redditor, who's been there a long time and pretty much started the department he's working at, wasn't promoted. He's a fucktard and should be kept on a tight leash. Also he should probly support his wife when she's in a new position. Having a job gets a lot bettter once you get out of boot-licking retail land. As soul-sucking as offices are, civil disobedience in the context of one often really does work.
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Syncopated posted:I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that there's a reason the redditor, who's been there a long time and pretty much started the department he's working at, wasn't promoted. He's a fucktard and should be kept on a tight leash. Also he should probly support his wife when she's in a new position. He did state that he chose not to apply for the role because he felt it was extra work for little compensation. Whether you choose to believe that it up to you. Internal promotions are often by application, and also often little more than a merit sticker and some more work on your plate.
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I [22f] am wondering if my boyfriend [26m] is trying to hint that he doesn't want handmade clothes from me anymore.quote:I've asked him directly twice and he denied it saying he appreciates my gifts but I'm confused by his behavior. E: Ah, in the earlier post I missed that he didn't apply.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:It's because telling a human being precisely how many short breaks they can take in a workday is explicitly dehumanizing and unreasonable and it's a drat shame that anyone is forced to tolerate such nonsense. Whether you use that break to smoke or not is orthogonal. I was kind of shocked when the first two comments here were calling that guy a dickbag. I mean, he does sound a bit pompous in the way he describes his reasoning ("but I just don't bend to the will of others because its beneficial" makes him sound like extremely stubborn and difficult to deal with). However, his wife is both making poor management choices and also some that seem to be targeted at him. She probably does want to avoid charges of favoritism but if her policies suck I would definitely lead the charge against them, wife or not. The answer, of course, is to go home, treat his wife to a lovely romantic evening with a rubdown and/or loving just the way she likes at the end. As she lies there in complete bliss, whisper into her ear "honey there is some research about break time at work and unreasonable time micro-management that I would like to present to you."
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Play posted:I was kind of shocked when the first two comments here were calling that guy a dickbag. people working in bad jobs without breaks probably
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Play posted:whisper into her ear "honey there is some research about break time at work and unreasonable time micro-management that I would like to present to you." I just got goosebumps.
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Chomp8645 posted:If someone gets promoted to manager and their first official act is to crack down on BREAK CULTURE that person is a major rear end in a top hat. Ditto for implementing a name and shame policy on anyone whose dying ember of humanity compels them to attempt escape from the existential hell of a non-stop intellectual assembly line. Yeah what the wife is doing in that story is out of line. "<5 minute breaks, scheduled and approved by me." One of the only times I've agreed with managers in targeting BREAK CULTURE though is when people wait until 10 minutes before their scheduled break and then go to the bathroom. Usually staying in the bathroom or coming back to work to just turn around and leave again effectively extending breaks out 5-10 minutes at a time. In an office setting this doesn't matter but in a manufacturing / service industry you kind of have to be more strict on your line workers. So as Grunt #5 it sucks when the machinery is still in operation but Grunt #4 is extending his 15 minute break into 25-30 minutes while you cover his portion of the workload. Of course managers being managers decided to resolve this by trying to put a limit on bathroom breaks per person per day and caused a huge clusterfuck bringing state laws and regulations into the argument and people were going out and getting doctors to write them a note approving them for unlimited bathroom breaks, when it was really just a few people that could have been coached individually.
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stump collector posted:people working in bad jobs without breaks probably I (a non-manager, office worker) work with a lot of people that have this attitude and it's really awkward and embarrassing to have to listen to them bitch about their superior cause they usually do it over completely menial poo poo, so maybe it's just my bias. Granted, what everyone has pointed out in the last page are very good points and the rules that his manager/wife implemented are totally draconian and ridiculous and worth fighting against.
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Syncopated posted:I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that there's a reason the redditor, who's been there a long time and pretty much started the department he's working at, wasn't promoted. He's a fucktard and should be kept on a tight leash. Also he should probly support his wife when she's in a new position. Don't confuse "Good at your Job" with "Good at managing people". Lots of people have more value as individual contributors (and they should be compensated for that value). Moving the wrong person into management is a great way to turn an excellent employee into a lovely one.
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insufficient guns posted:No normal person would post on reddit about this. How can you be MARRIED to someone and not be comfortable enough to say "hey lately I'm finding it kind of difficult to get my tongue in your crotch, could you please clear a pathway so I can sex you eaiser?" Nah better go running to the internet instead of having a 2 minute conversation. You're completely right. I concede lol
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WAY TO GO WAMPA!! posted:I can take breaks whenever I want, was just really put off by his "not respecting anyone until they prove themselves professionally" and it really seems to me that he's just butthurt that his wife is now his boss. i think i skipped over this part whoops that was a red flag but everything else was reasonable
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I started smoking while working fast food because of the extra little breaks you could squeeze out. Now I'm trying desperately to quit ten years later. Oops.
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In my work experience, companies have had policies keeping you from being the boss of your SO, so that whole situation just seems very alien to me. I am siding with him though
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Lockback posted:That whole office seems like a hellish, hostile workplace. *Fraud Analyst races down hallway with broken computer tucked under arm and barges into IT room.* - 45 seconds elapsed. Analyst: "Oh thank goodness you're here. The fan broke. Can you replace it real quick?" - 1 min elapsed. Technician: "No problem, got a spare right in the back. Give me a minute". *Technician rummages through back room, returns with replacement fan in hand* - 2.5 min elapsed Analyst: "Great. Can you pop it in real quick? I'm kind of in a hurry, I didn't get this cleared..." *Technician shoots sharp glance at analyst but responds with only a quick grunt before prying open the computer case* - 3 min elapsed *Analyst begins sweating profusely and paces around the room* - 4 min elapsed *Technician finishes work and closes case* - 4 min, 30s elapsed Technician: "All done. Enjoy the rest of your day" *Analyst quickly scoops up computer case and opens door, is about to step through when the technician pipes up again* Technician: "Almost forgot, I'll need you to sign for the repair. Bosses' orders." - 4 min, 45 seconds elapsed *Analyst curses and hurriedly sets down computer before coming to tech desk to sign order. Analyst: "Are we done here?" - 5 min, 15 seconds elapsed *Technician sighs as he draws his katana* Technician: "I'm afraid the only person done here... is you."
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