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Eldragon posted:I always struggle with that one because you don't salute with the left hand. Pretend you are standing behind her in formation and you are both saluting!
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:I don't even quite understand why people get up in arms about there being queer characters and characters of color and women characters and etc. Why does this bother them? Why does there need to be some plot-specific reason for all the characters to not be heterosexual, hypertrophied Teutonic demigods in homosocial settings? Do all the characters need to be attractive to the player? ... I think it comes down to 2 things: 1) Insecurity. Anybody who is secure in their ways will basically have an "whatever makes you happy" attitude to gayness 2) sense of "entitlement" in terms of "I bought this game to do whatever I want in my fantasy world, and I have a very precise idea what that means, and it does not include items 1 to 56, because MUH IMMERSHUN!" And item 10 on that list happens to be "gays" Coincidentally, 2 is also why the spergs currently fuel this dumpster fire, because Roberts is making them believe the game will be EXACTLY what they want. Those who realize it won't be... feel grief. And as soon as the game reaches a "final" state, i.e. when there is no two ways about what it does offer and what not, that's when 2 will come into effect and the feeling for grief will multiply every second. Funding will stop, and *desire_to_post_death_threats_intensifies.gif*.
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Eldragon posted:I always struggle with that one because you don't salute with the left hand. Who says the person is facing you?
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Eldragon posted:Every time Bioware does a homosexual character its always tacked on and doesn't actually add to the character; Like Bioware is going through a multiculturalism checklist before release to keep the angry bloggers happy. But now that I criticized Bioware that makes me a homophobe. But I still don't get it. What does a character's sexuality add in general? It's probably going to be there, even if there's not a romance subplot, if it's a character at least part of the audience can identify with. So what does being straight or asexual add to a character that other sexualities don't? Why stick to that as a point of critique? I can understand if you say they actually just handle writing queer characters badly. Like instead of making this character a real part of the cast, they have no actual role in the story at all and they're just here to pipe in at bad moments "hello, fellow gays." I've never really felt that way about Bioware's smattering of LGB characters, but perhaps others do. (I've had other issues with Bioware's characters, but not that particular issue.) I doubt SC is going to do much to move beyond the 90s Duke Nukem status quo since they haven't even managed an actual goddamn character creator last I checked, so I suppose the loudest part of CIG's playerbase will be satisfied by having fewer options. Playing undifferentiated, shaved ubermenschen is fidelitous as gently caress in this deskeletonized citizen's Stimpire. The Titanic posted:This is a very disappointing outlook to have. People who are embittered by other people having a shot at contentment and representation mystify me. PlaneGuy posted:I think it was a HHGG reference in the old nerd shibboleth style that someone at CIG convinced Sandi was a powerful numerologic integer and he's been enjoying the epic troll ever since. This would be extremely good. e. Hopper posted:I think it comes down to 2 things: Fortunately, this game will never, ever exit development, and so its devotees will never be able to examine it for violations of the List of 56 Violations of Versimilitude. POOL IS CLOSED fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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1500 posted:Who says the person is facing you?
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2,700 for an imaginary spaceship?! I'll take two! 
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Page Pastis. For posterity. For eternity. For lethality.
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A Neurotic Corncob posted:senior programmer for sq42. Interesting to look at the last game the lead programmer for Cig actually released. When Vikings Attack! looks a lot more fun than sc, where did it all go wrong? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5nOrnIfnYA
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The Titanic posted:This is a very disappointing outlook to have. My whole philosophy is that it is a cold cruel universe out there, and if you meet someone you connect with, yay you! Everything else is just engineering challenges. Also, if it is consensual, rock on!
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So the  Sherlocks have deduced that I.N.R.I. is one of Dereks lackeys and simultaniously Derek himself on an alt account.If you ever wanted proof of their intellectual fortitude, there it is.
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Chunjee posted:For any tax evaders out there:     
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Nicholas posted:I thought that you could convince any bioware NPC to sleep with you and they were only gay by virtue of the gender you chose initially. Nah, some are set up as straight and some as bi, I'm pretty sure. That might have changed in more recent titles, though?
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The Titanic posted:So long as it's not something like murder or something that makes you happy.
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Chunjee posted:For any tax evaders out there: 
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JugbandDude posted:*hoping we have a new Lazrin* let me get you a drink?
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Whenever this clusterfuck collapses, either because CIG finally does release a steaming pile of poo poo or because CR finally outspends the money faucet and goes bankrupt, every one of them will be tainted by their affiliation with CIG. I agree that if you are working at CIG you are working for an immoral company built on suckering people, and should take some time to reflect on that. But whatever,  . People gotta eat. The best thing to do would be to be a whistleblower if you see or know things that are capital w Wrong above and beyond just a broken project, like false representations of the funding tracker or things being done to intentionally deceive the community.OTOH leaking poo poo to the press really is a thing that will end your career in the industry if you're caught so that's a thing. Beer4TheBeerGod posted:They'll spend the rest of their careers hearing "oh you worked on Star Citizen" along with a barely suppressed laugh Beer4TheBeerGod posted:most of them probably don't realize that CIG is just as likely to gently caress them as their customers. Just look at what happened to 38 Studios. But again, anyone in game development needs a plan for getting fired at any moment because that's a thing that happens. It's a very unstable industry for workers. 
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Sabreseven posted:So the I for one am glad that /u/themustangsally is carrying forth INRI's message of love and family-calling to the huddled masses of reddit.
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Lladre posted:Some of you guys really need to take a break. Nothing to see here people. Just downvote and move along.
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Strawman posted:Interesting to look at the last game the lead programmer for Cig actually released. When Vikings Attack! looks a lot more fun than sc, where did it all go wrong?  I hope someone does an edit of the Star Marine video but with these sound effects instead, though the one with the boinging springs and slide whistles was p great.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:But I still don't get it. What does a character's sexuality add in general? It's probably going to be there, even if there's not a romance subplot, if it's a character at least part of the audience can identify with. So what does being straight or asexual add to a character that other sexualities don't? Why stick to that as a point of critique? I can understand if you say they actually just handle writing queer characters badly. Like instead of making this character a real part of the cast, they have no actual role in the story at all and they're just here to pipe in at bad moments "hello, fellow gays." I've never really felt that way about Bioware's smattering of LGB characters, but perhaps others do. (I've had other issues with Bioware's characters, but not that particular issue.) Sexuality alone does not add anything to the story, but Bioware likes to tack it on anyway without bothering to introduce the partner as another in-game character or backstory. I'm mostly talking Dragon Age 2 and 3 here. Mass Effect probably had GLB characters too, but I don't remember or didn't notice. The fact that I didn't notice means the writer did their job well. So the overall impression I get is: "Wow, that sure was a lot of work smashing all those Orc skulls. Sure must be hard being the chosen one and all. Maybe we need to overthrow the king and murder his kids to get things done around here. Also I'm gay." It's jarring and seems out of character. Why bring it up? They want to make sure the Player gets to romance someone. Which is probably the root of the issue. A lot of these characters are expected to romance the PC (all cringe inducing PC-NPC romance aside), which introduces a lot of practicality problems. But rather that just make the dialog mostly generic and let anyone romance anyone else Bioware chooses to clearly define which NPCs are LGB with a couple throw-away lines. Scifi/Fantasy works out best slipping social issues as a parable. Where the writer uses a fantasy people to represent a real-world persecuted group. Bioware is overly overt on the topic, which isn't wrong per se, but it seems inconsistent when their medieval setting. I know a lot of people are really happy that Bioware treats being GLBT as interesting as being left-handed, but their execution is sloppy at best.
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intardnation posted:let me get you a drink? Sure. 1 Hairy Roberts, shaken not stirred. Thanks man.
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Sabreseven posted:So the Wait, what?
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AP posted:Money is absolutely fine, I think he's pretty cool and he really isn't interested in computer games at all. He was the most likable person on those horrible twitch shows after all the others got fired/resigned. I wonder how Chris feels knowing the guy handling his video editing is a better director than he'll ever be.
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Sabreseven posted:So the Well, I had that Twitter, erm, twit claim I was a Derek alt and to prove I wasn't. When I showed him the Twitter account was over 8 years old (because I was NOT going to self-doxx on a public forum), he asked me what that was supposed to prove.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I wonder how Chris feels knowing the guy handling his video editing is a better director than he'll ever be. I'm not sure, given his ego, that he knows any such thing at all.
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Eldragon posted:Sexuality alone does not add anything to the story, but Bioware likes to tack it on anyway without bothering to introduce the partner as another in-game character or backstory. I'm mostly talking Dragon Age 2 and 3 here. Mass Effect probably had GLB characters too, but I don't remember or didn't notice. The fact that I didn't notice means the writer did their job well.
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Thoatse posted:Sure. 1 Hairy Roberts, shaken not stirred. Thanks man. The cool kids are all drinking Shaved Roberts. The more you know...
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That's a shame, I've got a Pebble. Pretty cool little gadget. Honestly thought it was the best smartwatch on the market.
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Samizdata posted:I like you Beer, but GODDAMNIT STOP FREAKING REMINDING ME OF THE GODDAMN COLDBLOODED MURDER OF ONE OF MY FAVORITE STUDIOS ALREADY! IT IS STILL TOO GODDAMN SOON! Sorry, this is a safe place. Feel free to continue to post without fear of being triggered. 38 Studios. The Titanic posted:It's been a while, so I may be a bit fuzzy on the details. Yeah that's pretty much it. Sandi made it about herself while Chris was making a "homage" to a better IP. Klyith posted:Nah. Disaster projects are a thing that happens regularly enough in the biz that there's no stigma associated with it. Everyone knows someone who once was working on a project that was terrible or on fire. The black marks are pretty well confined to the management level. Fair enough. It makes sense that the random guy working on the pube distribution of the left testicle of the Vanduul boss in Squadron 42 wouldn't see his work impacted by the whole company going tits up.
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Lladre posted:Some of you guys really need to take a break. Have my upvote!
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Sunswipe posted:Haven't played many Bioware games, but from what I remember: KotOR didn't have gay characters (don't know if that's a choice by them or a condition of the license). Mass Effect 1's two human romance options were straight, although either gender could romance the blue alien chick. Mass Effect 2 had a few lesbian options. If I was a cynic, I'd say it's because of a fear that the average gamer might find two men going at it distasteful, but would be fine with two women making the beast with two clits. And I am a cynic, so that's what I think. you could romance the frog dude as a male character.
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Sunswipe posted:Haven't played many Bioware games, but from what I remember: KotOR didn't have gay characters (don't know if that's a choice by them or a condition of the license). Mass Effect 1's two human romance options were straight, although either gender could romance the blue alien chick. Mass Effect 2 had a few lesbian options. If I was a cynic, I'd say it's because of a fear that the average gamer might find two men going at it distasteful, but would be fine with two women making the beast with two clits. And I am a cynic, so that's what I think. ME1's options were straight, excepting the two spots where you can uh "romance" the asari (one consort, one party member) with Shephards of either sex. ME2's options were straight Sheps & lesbian/bisexual lady Sheps. I thought male Shepards could romance Thane (the green alien bro), but apparently I was misremembering this because the wiki says he's an option only for ladies. (Disclosure: I totally hated romance in ME2, somehow my Shepard got date-raped by Jack and it was the worst. I don't know how I blundered into an affair with the skinhead option.) Anyway, I'm pretty sure your cynical take is the correct take.
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Sunswipe posted:Haven't played many Bioware games, but from what I remember: KotOR didn't have gay characters (don't know if that's a choice by them or a condition of the license). Mass Effect 1's two human romance options were straight, although either gender could romance the blue alien chick. Mass Effect 2 had a few lesbian options. If I was a cynic, I'd say it's because of a fear that the average gamer might find two men going at it distasteful, but would be fine with two women making the beast with two clits. And I am a cynic, so that's what I think. Actually, I feel the issue is that most people that would actually care about a LGBT option would look at what Bioware was offering and see them throwing something in at the last minute, relatively speaking, just so they can pull a CIG, pat themselves on the back and say "Look how progressive we are!" basically cheapening the thing right down the line. EDIT: LGBT feline levy. 
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