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Digital Jedi posted:Best EBI they have had I think. That was all around amazing. man i don't know. every single one seems to be insanely entertaining. i think i'm partial to the gordon ryan one myself but still this was just top, top shelf stuff.
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maaaaaaaaaaaan that was insane.
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i hope ebi fucks off the concept of 'combat jiujitsu' or whatever the gently caress they''re calling it and just concentrates on making this format huge. it's all so watchable.
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drat is right. Did anyone catch Gary Tonon dressed in full mariachi gear in the background? 
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Marching Powder posted:i hope ebi fucks off the concept of 'combat jiujitsu' or whatever the gently caress they''re calling it and just concentrates on making this format huge. it's all so watchable. I don't know it could be cool - give it a chance
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Marching Powder posted:i hope ebi fucks off the concept of 'combat jiujitsu' or whatever the gently caress they''re calling it and just concentrates on making this format huge. it's all so watchable. The combat jiu jitsu is just supposed to be the superfight. Who cares if they do something weird with the superfight and keep the tournament the same?
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Sprecherscrow posted:The combat jiu jitsu is just supposed to be the superfight. Who cares if they do something weird with the superfight and keep the tournament the same? and now we take a break from that rad thing you were watching to bring you the same but with some slapping thrown in in case you weren't sure whether you wanted to watch grappling or mma but are positive you wanted a luke warm combination of both! it might be great. i've never seen it (unless you count pancrase, which is a huge point in my favor). but i've got a feeling it's going to be pathetic mma 'aspects' diluting the extremely skillful grappling that can often be obscured in actual mma fights. Marching Powder fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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Dec 3, 2016 07:11
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Combat Jiu-Jitsu should involve knives, guns and an obstacle course.
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i'm just imagining the martinez / cummings match we just saw but with martinez giving cummings the old 'i work 12 hours a day to bring in the bread and you overcook the roast' to defend the leg attacks. even if cummings fought through it and pulled off the sub the instant replay would be cummings getting treated like sean connery's under-performing girlfriend in the 70's in slow motion
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Dan Didio posted:Combat Jiu-Jitsu should involve knives, guns and an obstacle course. at least have the mat gridded and every 30 seconds new grids become electrified. throw in a few rat traps etc. and we got ourselves a real farce to give the finalists a chance to catch their breath during
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tbh I think the combat jiu jitsu wss mostly a response to the Danaher Death Squad and their ridiculous leg lock attacks that are predicated upon putting yourself in a position that doesn't make any sense in an actual fight. Now that a defense to that has appeared organically I don't think that's going to be pushed quite as hard.
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Gay Horney posted:tbh I think the combat jiu jitsu wss mostly a response to the Danaher Death Squad and their ridiculous leg lock attacks that are predicated upon putting yourself in a position that doesn't make any sense in an actual fight. Now that a defense to that has appeared organically I don't think that's going to be pushed quite as hard. That doesn't make any sense. They aren't the only guys doing it and 10th Planet is known way more for doing stupid poo poo that wouldn't work in a fight than Renzo Gracie dudes.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:That doesn't make any sense. They aren't the only guys doing it and 10th Planet is known way more for doing stupid poo poo that wouldn't work in a fight than Renzo Gracie dudes. What in particular? Not trying to fight just curious, because what I've seen of tenth planet. Rubber guard, lock down, and truck they seem like they'd work regardless of striking involvement so long as you are able to get to those positions.
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Gay Horney posted:tbh I think the combat jiu jitsu wss mostly a response to the Danaher Death Squad and their ridiculous leg lock attacks that are predicated upon putting yourself in a position that doesn't make any sense in an actual fight. Now that a defense to that has appeared organically I don't think that's going to be pushed quite as hard. Combat Jiu Jitsu was a thing Eddie tried to make happen years ago before EBI was even an idea. It is a part of Eddie's ongoing project to find a set of rules where Rubber Guard will be king because he thinks it's the best guard to use with striking allowed.
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I know Eddie has been pushing it for a while personally but my perception was that it wasn't really perceived as necessary or desirable by most other folks until you started seeing the weird, weird poo poo that's gotten popular lately. I could be way off base tho
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KildarX posted:What in particular? Not trying to fight just curious, because what I've seen of tenth planet. Rubber guard, lock down, and truck they seem like they'd work regardless of striking involvement so long as you are able to get to those positions. Inversions, high guard, leg attacks, all the same trends that have been happening everywhere but they seem to have focused on the sport jiu jitsu only type moves for longer.
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Gay Horney posted:tbh I think the combat jiu jitsu wss mostly a response to the Danaher Death Squad and their ridiculous leg lock attacks that are predicated upon putting yourself in a position that doesn't make any sense in an actual fight. Now that a defense to that has appeared organically I don't think that's going to be pushed quite as hard. A) It's only for the superfights, so no, it's not a response to anything Danaher's guys are doing B) The only position the leglock stuff happening tonight is really predicated on is seated guard, which has been happening in tournaments from time immemorial. If you think Gio was ever in a position to be punching Eddie while in leglock danger you have some serious misconceptions about the way your hips can move when you're in a full knee-thread.
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Dec 3, 2016 18:10
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Also, this whole "leglocks wouldn't work on teh steets" thing has already been addressed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2MFYTDGGZQ
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Dec 3, 2016 18:21
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I wish fightpass had any value because EBI is making me want to resub, but it's not enough.
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fatherdog posted:A) It's only for the superfights, so no, it's not a response to anything Danaher's guys are doing I guess I am basing this solely off of getting heel hooked a lot and wishing I could punch the dude doing it to me in the face.
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Seltzer posted:I wish fightpass had any value because EBI is making me want to resub, but it's not enough. Basically empty quoting. If they would show ppvs like a week later I would subscribe for that plus EBI.
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Got my first ever kimura from guard on Sunday. Man that felt sooo good.
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Nierbo posted:Got my first ever kimura from guard on Sunday. Man that felt sooo good. I want to be promoted without being able to sub people or breakfall.
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Seltzer posted:I wish fightpass had any value because EBI is making me want to resub, but it's not enough.
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I watch EBI and occasionally I'll binge a bunch of fights. I use it about as much as I use netflix.
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New rumoured judo comp rules: http://www.judoinside.com/news/1806/New_rule_rumours_yuko_disappears_4_wazari_for_the_victory  Yuko gone, replaced with a "4 wazaris makes ippon" rule.  No more DQ for leg grab; shido instead.  3 shidos for DQ instead of 4. The yuko one baffles me. Were people really that "confused" by yuko as a tiebreaker point?
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CommonShore posted:New rumoured judo comp rules: Could you idiot's guide what this means for me?
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Seltzer posted:Could you idiot's guide what this means for me? Right now Judo scoring is tripartite: Ippon - forceful, controlled throw to the back, or 20 second pin, or strangle/armbar tap = instant win Wazari - a pretty good but not ippon-quality throw, or a 15 second pin. Two wazaris = instant win. The most obvious way for this to happen is for a wazari throw right into a wazari pin. Yuko - a mediocre throw or a 10 second pin. No number of yukos adds up to anything or beats a wazari - it's a tiebreaker point. And there are penalities Leg grabs from standing are right now a DQ, on the same tier as using the high-injury forbidden techniques or something ridiculous like spitting on a ref. Shidos are minor penalties which are the weakest tiebreakers, and to get a 4th one in a match = DQ. Under the new rules, if the rumour is true, Wazari and Yuko are effectively combined. Ippon is still Ippon, but any lesser throw, or a ten-second pin, will be a Wazari, and the fourth one will add up to an instant win. To me this feels more like a "Technical fall" than like a wazari awasete ippon which sets up a really cool asymmetrical sudden-death situation, in that one fighter is closer to an instant loss than the other. We will just have to see how it plays out. That leg grabs won't be an instant DQ is a fairly substantial strategic change, as it allows for a number of awesome techniques which right now are technically legal but not worth the risk of accidentally touching your opponent's leg (modified fireman carry slams and the like). Just last night we were drilling Kata Gurumas and discussing ways of executing the throw without risking an accidental leg grab. I still assume that a throw which includes leg contact will result in a standup, a penalty, and no score. Three shidos for DQ is awesome, because it's pretty easy to piss away two minutes by stalling, and only get 2 shidos for it. At the olympics far too many matches were won via an early point and then stalling to run out the clock.
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I had hoped they would make leg contact a delayed shido so if you grabbed a leg but completed the throw you'd get the penalty plus whatever score for the throw. This would allow the use of leg grabs but at increased risk if you don't make the throw.
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ihop posted:I had hoped they would make leg contact a delayed shido so if you grabbed a leg but completed the throw you'd get the penalty plus whatever score for the throw. This would allow the use of leg grabs but at increased risk if you don't make the throw. That would still allow shots, which was the main thing that they were trying to eliminate, because it turned judo into wrestling in pyjamas, which is acceptable from a fight perspective, but an understandable decision from a "let's not have our sport cut from the olympics because it's redundant with another sport that's already on the verge of being cut" perspective. If they could find some ruleset that allows hand wheels, fireman throws, leg-grabbing modifications, incidental contact, and combos into single-leg/heel pick attacks, without encouraging the "hips back square" wrestling stance, we'd have a good time.
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New Judo comp rules announced: https://www.ijf.org/news/show/adapted-rules-of-the-next-olympic-cycle Only Ippon and Wazari now. No number of Wazaris adds up to anything. (e. this is basically like the eliminated aazari as a concept, and then renamed yuko to wazari. A throw that previously would have earned a yuko or wazari will now earn wazari) Three shidos for DQ instead of 4. First leg grab is shido, second is DQ. No more penalties given for any kind of grips, but presumably bad grips can be part of stalling penalties. Clear timing given for what constitutes "stalling" All matches 4 minutes at elite level. CommonShore fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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As a casual Judo viewer, I like it? I always thought the 3 tier system was weird, and I like the idea that it places more prominence on an Ippon.
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Team_q posted:As a casual Judo viewer, I like it? I always thought the 3 tier system was weird, and I like the idea that it places more prominence on an Ippon. Yeah after the rumour post I got thinking that to a casual viewer the dobule wazari = ippon rule could lead to some confusing and anti-climactic finishes.
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Okay, but it's "waza-ari". It means roughly "that's a technique". I wonder if this'll mean more running away or less. On the one hand, more matches will go to time now, but on the other, you don't risk giving up half a point if you attack.
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Any advices on getting back on the BJJ Mats? I had a rough knee surgery that put the clamp down on my training and I recently got a go-ahead from my physician.
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Go but go slowly and train with trusted blues and above
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CommonShore posted:New Judo comp rules announced: It's crazy how much they changed the sport. I don't think I like the wazari change, especially if that really means that throws that were previously yuko are now wazari. 3 shidos is fine First leg grab being a shido is a fantastic decision. It was loving ridiculous that if you got unlucky and sort of brushed the leg of a guy doing a throw you got DQ'ed. If they don't want people attacking the legs that's a saner way to do it. Grip penalties were dumb as gently caress so good change. A precise timer on stalling is also good. I just wonder if the wazari/ippon rule will really do what they want (make people go for big ippons first and foremost) or if it will just lead to more defensiveness
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KingColliwog posted:It's crazy how much they changed the sport. I don't think I like the wazari change, especially if that really means that throws that were previously yuko are now wazari. Well, that the wazari is no longer as threatening means that fighters have less defensive incentive, and the removal of tiered scoring means that it's more difficult to sit on a lead. I can see a scenario in which fighters become so terrified of giving up yuko that they become timid and disengaged, but that you can get DQed for 90 seconds of timidity makes that more difficult. I think that the only thing missing from the rules now is something to discourage attack/turtle stalling (eg go for tai otoshi, it doesn't hit, so the fighter turtles up and stalls for a mate). My preferred version would be to give more time so the standing fighter can work some ne waza.
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