Star Citizen: Death of a Space Thread?

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The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

POOL IS CLOSED posted:

I wonder if the brothers have ever personally had real money troubles? Because that attitude seems to indicate "no." What that guy seems most troubled by is failure, not unprofitability, and that's an ego concern, not a survival one. Thus it makes sense why he'd be bewildered about his employees being upset by nonpayment. He assumes they're all in this together -- and "this" is his success.

This is a possibility. Definitely a personal issue more than a general CEO one, but the results are the same. People under them get screwed, they move on to the next company or project.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 20:43

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 21:56

Ash1138: Sep 29, 2001; Get up, chief. We're just gettin' started.

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

That's how one Crytek idiot saw things after last time they hosed up their employees wages, hope they're more graceful this time around

you should've resigned before we stopped paying you because we're not going to do layoffs lmao what a douchebag

# ? Dec 13, 2016 20:50

Exinos: Mar 1, 2009; OSHA approved squiq

The Titanic posted:

Dick pic = kind email reply and or being called out like a creep

Dick pic & ship = real actual sex with a real woman and or being called out like a creep

This is the going exchange rate I believe these days. If you're a woman you're clearly obligated to follow these set in stone rules. Please be aware of the and/or rule in there as well. Gamble appropriately Citizens!

Better odds at getting what they want out of their jpegs than waiting on CIG.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 20:53

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

shrach posted:

So RSI UK filed their accounts today. There isn't much to see, for reasons that will become immediately apparent, but they confirm the money moves around needlessly. I made a flow chart in MS paint for 2015 of the information so far.

The Star Citizen funding chart apparently showed $36m in 2015 with $3.3m of that coming in January, leaving $33m for February to December. Using an exchange rate of �1 : $1.55 for 2015 would put a total value of ~ �21m for February to December 2015 for the Star Citizen funding chart. That is clearly a material difference to the �15m that was shown in the accounts of Roberts Space Industries International Ltd.

When the UK parent company files their accounts there should be some more information on inter-company relationships.

loving lol if the final death of Star Citizen comes at the hands of the Queen's taxmen.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 20:53

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

His next realization is going to be that CIG has actually been lying to everybody since Chris moved off of the Kickstarter goals into whatever he thinks is going to materialize before him, as the living universe of Star Citizen where everything happens like real life because Chris implied it was easy and promised it. :allears:

# ? Dec 13, 2016 20:56

POOL IS CLOSED: Jul 14, 2011; I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.; Pillbug

The Titanic posted:

This is a possibility. Definitely a personal issue more than a general CEO one, but the results are the same. People under them get screwed, they move on to the next company or project.

Tone at the top is everything, imo. I hope the unpaid folks are doing interviews and applications out the rear end right now and getting the gently caress out of dodge.

Ash1138 posted:

you should've resigned before we stopped paying you because we're not going to do layoffs lmao what a douchebag

Yeah we're just going to commit wage theft while we continue paying ourselves, gfy, sincerely, your employers.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 20:57

Atrayonis: Jul 6, 2008; Godspeed, brave canary

Hello everyone. Since this is page 100 and the year is coming to an end, I'd like you to remember four very important things:

Doxxing is bad and you should feel bad,
Call or visit your parents during the holidays,
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others,
Star Citizen is a nightmare and CIG can't wake up.

Godspeed, commandos!

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:00

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

Beet Wagon posted:

loving lol if the final death of Star Citizen comes at the hands of the Queen's taxmen.

I honestly think it would be poetic and the good ending.

Their greed for money is disgusting, I only think it would be fitting if that greed and disgusting tactics they used to be shady as gently caress are what ultimately do them in.

And to think, to bypass the whole mess all they had to do was release a new version of Freelancer or something with a fresh graphical shine (2 years ago).

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:01

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

Atrayonis posted:

Hello everyone. Since this is page 100 and the year is coming to an end, I'd like you to remember four very important things:

Doxxing is bad and you should feel bad,

Call or visit your parents during the holidays,

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others,

Star Citizen is a nightmare and CIG can't wake up.

Godspeed, commandos!

Tane.

Also, stimpire.txt.

https://i.imgur.com/naCRMc8.mp4

MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Dec 13, 2016

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:02

A Neurotic Corncob: Nov 12, 2016; A light wind swept over the corn, and all nature laughed in the sunshine.

Rah! posted:

Star citizen lol more like shart shitizen

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:07

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

MeLKoR posted:

Tane.

Also, stimpire.txt.

https://i.imgur.com/naCRMc8.mp4

Every time I watch that I see some other amazingly broken bit of space game I hadn't noticed before. It's like a kaleidoscope of failure.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:11

Sindai: Jan 24, 2007; i want to achieve immortality through not dying

JugbandDude posted:

Serious question:

Does anyone know why cruiser and battleship classes are missing from the UEE navy?

They have a poo poo ton of engineering debt, yet seem to be missing two very important classes in the whole "WW2 in space" theme.

I imagine all the people who actually know what they're doing start crying blood when Roberts suggests modelling the entire interior of anything that big.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:12

shrach: Jan 10, 2004; daylight ssssaving time

Beet Wagon posted:

loving lol if the final death of Star Citizen comes at the hands of the Queen's taxmen.

That's part of the �4m that Foundry 42 Ltd were expecting to receive from HMRC for the video games tax credit (�1m is from 2014). At that time it only really existed on paper. On the profit and loss account as a tax rebate (making them show a profit equal to the rebate) and on their balance sheet as an asset for the full amount.

It's largely irrelevant until it crystallises since it would appear they are sensibly not relying on it yet. I have no idea what the actual state of this tax credit is, other than it would appear at a glance that Foundry 42 Ltd should not qualify for it.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:14

Samizdata: May 14, 2007

The Titanic posted:

Dick pic = kind email reply and or being called out like a creep

Dick pic & ship = real actual sex with a real woman and or being called out like a creep

This is the going exchange rate I believe these days. If you're a woman you're clearly obligated to follow these set in stone rules. Please be aware of the and/or rule in there as well. Gamble appropriately Citizens!

What you didn't cover is what happens if you send either a dick pic OR a dick pic AND a ship to a ship...

(wonders if that makes any more sense than Citizenry, then :shrug:

s and

s.)

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:22

aleksendr: May 14, 2014

Sindai posted:

I imagine all the people who actually know what they're doing start crying blood when Roberts suggests modelling the entire interior of anything that big.

They are in the stretch goals

4.5M - Cruiser ship clas as playable
15M is "escort carrier"
Battlecruiser is 17M

Leak sometime reported serious problems on the bigger ships, as in "The engine is unable to determine the correct position of every part of the model, causing it to tear itself appart on spawn".

I give them a pass at not having Battleships since the concept ceased to be an effective weapon halfway trough WW2. Planes outrange the biggest guns and no ammount of belt or bulge armor is going to save you from a dive bomb trough the deck (Yamato) or a torpedo on your rudder (Bismark). Battleships became nothing more than slow, juicy targets slurping precious fuel.

aleksendr fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Dec 13, 2016

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:23

SirPhoebos: Dec 10, 2007; WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Skipped 20 pages. Anything interesting happen?

*disappears for another week*

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:29

intardnation: Feb 18, 2016; I'm going to space!

elite is ok but not beginner friendly in VR due to all the keybindings. you really need a hotas for it in order for it to feel right. I also run a g13 and condensing it is brutal.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:29

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

SirPhoebos posted:

Skipped 20 pages. Anything interesting happen?

*disappears for another week*

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/808743801367957509

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:31

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Has Vision Man saved pc gaming yet?

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:32

A Neurotic Corncob: Nov 12, 2016; A light wind swept over the corn, and all nature laughed in the sunshine.

Wolf Larsen presents....

quote:

As part of INN�s ongoing mission to attract and welcome new members to the growing Star Citizen community, we�d like to start a program that helps us make a difference. We�re pleased to introduce the Sponsor a Spaceman Program. The concept is simple, if you�ve got a few bucks laying around and you want to help INN make somebody�s Star Citizen dreams come true, this is the way to do it. Rather than just give away ships to randomly drawn individuals all year, this is one special program where the decision will be made based on need.

I�ve said it before, but it�s worth repeating: Star Citizen alpha backers are among the most dedicated, enthusiastic, and generous gamers in the world. We are dedicated stakeholders and genuine pioneers who are excited about our opportunity to participate in the ongoing funding and development of Chris Robert�s vision. Some of us are also fortunate enough to have more ships than we need.

The Sponsor a Spaceman Program is the only needs based ship giveaway we�re aware of in the �Verse and that makes it special. For each Sponsor a Spaceman ship INN gives away we will run an essay contest and select a winner based on demonstrated need, interest in the game, and community spirit. The winning essays will be published anonymized.

We�re still in the process of determining the selection criteria but we will have a selection board to increase the fairness while reducing the possibility of capricious decision making. If you�ve got thoughts on how to make it as fair as possible and accomplish our mission, we�d like to hear from you!

As a Sponsor, we�ll add your name and a link to whatever you want to our homepage using a special Spaceman Sponsor badge which you can also put on your own website.

If you�d like to participate in the Sponsor a Spaceman program, please visit our permanent page for the program.

If you believe in our mission, and you�d like to support INN, please visit our Patreon page.

A Neurotic Corncob fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 13, 2016

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:35

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

SirPhoebos posted:

Skipped 20 pages. Anything interesting happen?

*disappears for another week*

It's been hard times on the old comedy farm.

Got a crop 'a thumb jokes comin' in on Friday next though.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:37

intardnation: Feb 18, 2016; I'm going to space!

just went look at hotas to see and the x56 rhino people were after is $500 Can. I could buy the warthog for the same price! I take it another reason shitizens are taking it in the rear end. And what about the SC Hotas? has anyone
seen or heard of it in a while?

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:38

MedicineHut: Feb 25, 2016

peter gabriel posted:

I for one would like to see a picture of Arf Jason's balls

Can you doxx someone's balls?

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:39

Samizdata: May 14, 2007

A Neurotic Corncob posted:

Wolf Larsen presents....

Let me see. A poor I can "help". New spaceship janitor, someone who HAVE to like my dick pics, AND an ego boost all in one? Put me down for 10!

EDIT: Just realized I was 100 posting up in HEAH! (makes that stupid high pitched "ooooh ooooh" sound will also making the equally stupid "raising the roof" gesture and looking VERY self satisfied)

Samizdata fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Dec 13, 2016

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:40

aleksendr: May 14, 2014

A Neurotic Corncob posted:

Wolf Larsen presents....

They are after the more resonable player who only bought a basic package.

A good % of those who write the essay but dont win will end up buying in anyway after having spent so much time thinking about how they would use the conveted asset. Engagement as a sale tactic is textbook classic for high margin goods, have the fence sitting buyers create their own feeling of need.

Maybe the whale oil is getting stale and they want to harvest the "middle class" of backers ?

aleksendr fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Dec 13, 2016

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:44

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I'm in the process of preparing my complaints to the various consumer agencies in case CIG decides to offer a refund of less than what I am owed. Fortunately I have an... extensive amount of information to work with. Putting it all together will likely take some time but I anticipate the various agencies will enjoy reading. So far I have to cover...

1. CIG transitioning from saying that additional funds will deliver more content on time to justifying delays as part of the increasing scope.
2. The misrepresentation of delivery schedules, including maintaining a website with a release date that was known to be false.
3. Denying a customer access to paid features on content based on activity that occurred outside of CIG sites, admitting that the content was denied by reimbursing the customer, and then lying to the press about it.
4. Harvesting external information on customers (such as online identities outside of CIG sites) and maintaining that information as part of a customer support database.
5. Predatory marketing schemes in which high pressure tactics are used to encourage sales through statements of limited availability that later turn out to be false.
6. Selling "credit" for ships and then denying customers the ability to use that credit on certain packages to entice more sales.
7. Offering assets for sale that will not be delivered as part of commercial release while requiring customers sign a TOS that denies refunds once the game was commercially released.

It will take me awhile to put it all together, but I'm sure there will be at least a few investigatory agencies who will appreciate having this information wrapped up in time for Christmas.

Best of luck to you and your audience.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:47

aleksendr: May 14, 2014

intardnation posted:

just went look at hotas to see and the x56 rhino people were after is $500 Can. I could buy the warthog for the same price! I take it another reason shitizens are taking it in the rear end. And what about the SC Hotas? has anyone
seen or heard of it in a while?

SC hotas will probably never exist. If you want a low cost approach to hotas you can go dual USB stick. Thats how i play Elite (not VR) and its pretty neat if you dont have pedals.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:48

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

Chunjee posted:

If it were up to me and I actually wanted to deliver a game: fire all but the absolute essential artists down to a team of 2-8 max, and focus on finding or making something that demonstrates an ability to support at least 100 players reliably in a single star system, scrapping StarEngine entirely if necessary. Alternatively, let go of all artists and just use programmer art till game systems work together in a proven manner, and then worry about fidelity.

As far as I can tell; as long as CryEngine/StarEngine is in play, nothing resembling the original promise can be delivered. It seems wholly unsuited for anything beyond a single player fps or 16-32 player multiplayer (1 zone).
Counter argument: list of games that use a version of CryEngine includes at least one MMO.

Speaking out of my rear end as I don't have standing in gamedev specifically; can someone with real-world experience explain how they might go about salvaging this? Assuming that is even possible.

Hi Derek.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:49

Blue On Blue: Nov 14, 2012

A Neurotic Corncob posted:

Wolf Larsen presents....

All hands to whaling cannons , prepare everything you've got Wolf !!!

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:51

aleksendr: May 14, 2014

Chunjee posted:

If it were up to me and I actually wanted to deliver a game:

Tier based spaceship arena MMO like WOT. Sell the assets and codebase to the Chinese and cash out.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:52

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

ManofManyAliases posted:

Best of luck to you and your audience.

That's some Grade A snark, MoMA. You ready for this weekend? Got you're fightin' belt all shined up nice?

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:52

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

Also, yay for posting on 100!!!!

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:53

Chin: Dec 12, 2005; GET LOST 2013
-RALPH

Sunswipe posted:

To be fair, you were both wrong.

It's hard to believe people watched the pitch video and had any reaction but derisive laughter, even if they had zero familiarity with Chris Roberts and his shenanigans.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:55

Laopooh: Jul 15, 2000

A Neurotic Corncob posted:

Wolf Larsen presents....

Lmao this dude is such an egregiously transparent shill. He's a gross pukehole.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:55

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

ManofManyAliases posted:

Also, yay for posting on 100!!!!

I'm still sad that we never got to post on page 6666

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:57

A Neurotic Corncob: Nov 12, 2016; A light wind swept over the corn, and all nature laughed in the sunshine.

The Wolf Larsen Saga is my favorite thing about Star Citizen right now.

INNtroducing sponser a spaceman

A Neurotic Corncob fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Dec 13, 2016

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:58

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

Beet Wagon posted:

That's some Grade A snark, MoMA. You ready for this weekend? Got you're fightin' belt all shined up nice?

Not really. Pretty doubtful that we'll get 2.6 live by Friday.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 21:59

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

A Neurotic Corncob posted:

The Wolf Larsen Saga is my favorite thing about Star Citizen right now.

Just look at the responses he's getting: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5i5y7x/inntroducing_sponsor_a_spaceman/

quote:

INNtroducing

Jesus wept

# ? Dec 13, 2016 22:00

Dongicus: Jun 12, 2015

MeLKoR posted:

Tane.

Also, stimpire.txt.

https://i.imgur.com/naCRMc8.mp4

That's a .mp4 actually.

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Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

A Neurotic Corncob posted:

The Wolf Larsen Saga is my favorite thing about Star Citizen right now.

INNtroducing sponser a spaceman

what a loving amazing community.

ManofManyAliases posted:

Not really. Pretty doubtful that we'll get 2.6 live by Friday.

Yeah that's a shame, I was really hoping for them to pull it off, to be perfectly honest. It's way funnier when they release something broken and lovely than it is when Crobbers gets up on stage, shrugs, and they turn the lights off.

e: wizard taxxe

# ? Dec 13, 2016 22:08

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