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bawfuls posted:Why would anyone sign a 31 year old average-ish relief pitcher to a guaranteed 3 year deal?? Was willing to pitch in Colorado, I imagine
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Gotta pay the Coors Tax
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Dec 15, 2016 21:34
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Craig Sager passed away. goddamnit, gently caress you cancer.
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Dec 15, 2016 21:37
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Mike Dunn is gonna give up like 2.5 HR/9 in Colorado.
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Dec 15, 2016 21:38
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https://twitter.com/Phillies/status/809507850212896768 Sounds like it's roughly a $6.1 million AAV, which could end up being an incredible steal by the end of it. Also two club option years for 2022 and 2023. I like it.
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Dec 15, 2016 23:31
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Wow that seems like a total steal for the Phillies.
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Just once I want to see a legit ace (Kershaw, Thor, Sale, etc - a pitcher with elite stuff and plus command) get traded to Colorado. Just to see how they would do. It would have to be a trade since no one like that is going to sign with the Rockies of their own free will. I want to know if Coors Field is defeatable.
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Dec 15, 2016 23:47
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2010 Ubaldo was pretty good. But yea, would be cool to see that happen. Kershaw has 103 innings at Coors and has a 4.63 ERA and a 1.301 WHIP. 
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Thom P. Tiers posted:2010 Ubaldo was pretty good. But yea, would be cool to see that happen. Coors is tough.
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Dec 16, 2016 00:27
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Has there been any real look by fangraphs/etc into what style of pitching tends to perform best in Coors? Or at least something a bit more complex then "try to get ground balls?"
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Dec 16, 2016 01:18
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Coors ain't poo poo for Kenta Maeda.
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Seems like the current theory is that straight up heat is the least impacted by Coors. A high spin fastball won't "rise" as much there but 100 mph is hard to catch up to regardless of the air density (and in fact pitches lose less velocity between release and the plate at Coors than at sea level). Breaking pitches will tend to break less which is always problematic, and the discrepancy in break between Coors and other parks is a potential source of command issues. So a pitcher with a hard fastball and maybe a good change with a big velocity difference might be least impacted by Coors?
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Dec 16, 2016 02:50
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Sydin posted:Has there been any real look by fangraphs/etc into what style of pitching tends to perform best in Coors? Or at least something a bit more complex then "try to get ground balls?" A pitcher who can hit home runs.
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I faintly hope the Jays are in on Ziegler. I forgot to call him "Bad Ziegler" when he was with the Red Sox and I want that opportunity again.
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bawfuls posted:Seems like the current theory is that straight up heat is the least impacted by Coors. A high spin fastball won't "rise" as much there but 100 mph is hard to catch up to regardless of the air density (and in fact pitches lose less velocity between release and the plate at Coors than at sea level). Breaking pitches will tend to break less which is always problematic, and the discrepancy in break between Coors and other parks is a potential source of command issues. So a pitcher with a hard fastball and maybe a good change with a big velocity difference might be least impacted by Coors? I figure heat and good command would play real well there (along with everywhere else.) Use location to generate weak contact.
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Ice To Meet You posted:A pitcher who can hit home runs. Confirmed Colorado needs to sign Otani.
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bawfuls posted:Seems like the current theory is that straight up heat is the least impacted by Coors. A high spin fastball won't "rise" as much there but 100 mph is hard to catch up to regardless of the air density (and in fact pitches lose less velocity between release and the plate at Coors than at sea level). Breaking pitches will tend to break less which is always problematic, and the discrepancy in break between Coors and other parks is a potential source of command issues. So a pitcher with a hard fastball and maybe a good change with a big velocity difference might be least impacted by Coors? The team is building their pitching staff around "getting guys to swing and miss with power pitchers >>>> letting guys make soft contact with groundball pitchers" Hitters making contact is always going to be worse in Denver than anywhere else. Pitching staffs from 07/09/10 were the best the team had ever had up until that point. But Dan O'dowd built them around guys like Cook/Francis/Marquis/De La Rosa/Chacin that were successful groundball pitchers and were best at trying to get guys out with weak contact instead of being power pitchers. There were a few outliers, Ubaldo's 2010 year is the example of what Bridich is trying to do with the starting pitching. De La Rosa and Chacin each also had a year or two where they fit that mold as well. I still believe that Ubaldo could have had at least a few more seasons like 2010 if Jim Tracy didn't do things to him like run him out in the 6th inning when he's already thrown 110+ pitches in May, on a day he was vomiting. Trying to force guys into that groundball style of pitching who don't actually pitch like that, likely wrecked a few guys as well. A guy that has been successful enough to get on a major league roster has pitched a certain way his entire life, and you're going to force him to change because of his home park? That's ridiculous. Just let the guy pitch. At least they've stopped loving around doing that poo poo. Gray/Hoffman/Anderson/Bettis/Chatwood, with what they have coming up with Marquez/Pint/Almonte/Senzatela/Freeland all have good fastballs and control (most of the time). They now are the complete opposite of those softer throwing groundball pitchers. The starters coming up now are significantly better than anything the organization has had in the past. We'll see how the next few years go. will_colorado fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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mentholmoose posted:https://twitter.com/Phillies/status/809507850212896768 I guess the lesson is, if the Phillies Rule 5 a center fielder from your team, he's going to be pretty good. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/victosh01.shtml They also recently picked Ender Inciarte before returning him.
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It's that time of the offseason where I start getting a little stir crazy and think about what silly rules would be fun in a baseball game. These are ones I haven't thought of before: 1)Add ringouts to baseball. If a player goes over the fence or wall to make a catch, they are out of the game and no one can come in to fill his position, though obviously the remaining 8 players may position themselves however they like.. You must keep >50% of your body over the playing surface not to be out. 2)Managers must DH during the 7th inning. 3)Every time any player on the field touches their balls, a ball is called for the hitter at the plate.
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tadashi posted:I guess the lesson is, if the Phillies Rule 5 a center fielder from your team, he's going to be pretty good. Herrera wasn't even a center-fielder in the minors, he played mostly 2B along with a bit of SS. The Phillies moved him to CF when he jumped to the majors.
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I always thought some kind of 'arena baseball' would be pretty cool for minor leaguers and and independent ballers to play in the offseason stuff like aluminum bats, high walls and extremely odd field dimensions, a designated fielder, home run derby to decide games after 12 innings etc. just goofy stuff like that, i guess you'd have to play it exclusively indoors but idk i'd watch the hell out of it NiceGuy fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Dec 16, 2016 16:49
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How about just a pitcher has to face a minimum of three batters before getting relieved, that would be fantastic.
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NiceGuy posted:I always thought some kind of 'arena baseball' would be pretty cool for minor leaguers and and independent ballers to play in the offseason I love the idea but I can't imagine giving pros aluminum bats wont end up with a few pitchers dead from headshots.
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how about a team has to have no more than 9 active players at once
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Replace umpires with robots. Give all the players metal bats to allow for massive dingers. But to keep scoring from getting out of control also cover up the crowd everywhere but center field, so that the ball is still in play unless hit to the uncovered spots. Foul territory no longer exists once you pass first and third base, but if a ball ever lands in foul territory it is foul no matter what. Teams are allowed to build robots that can hit or pitch. Encourage showboating by paying players for doing cool stuff, but also fine them for doing dumb stuff. Allow them to use that money to buy body armor that they can wear during the game. Also place land mines on the field.
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NiceGuy posted:I always thought some kind of 'arena baseball' would be pretty cool for minor leaguers and and independent ballers to play in the offseason IcePhoenix posted:Replace umpires with robots. Give all the players metal bats to allow for massive dingers. But to keep scoring from getting out of control also cover up the crowd everywhere but center field, so that the ball is still in play unless hit to the uncovered spots. Foul territory no longer exists once you pass first and third base, but if a ball ever lands in foul territory it is foul no matter what. Teams are allowed to build robots that can hit or pitch. Encourage showboating by paying players for doing cool stuff, but also fine them for doing dumb stuff. Allow them to use that money to buy body armor that they can wear during the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvmT6BjrFdQ
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NiceGuy posted:I always thought some kind of 'arena baseball' would be pretty cool for minor leaguers and and independent ballers to play in the offseason On the football train of thought, it would be cool to split the position players into offense/defense and have players who only field and players who only hit.
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IcePhoenix posted:Replace umpires with robots. Give all the players metal bats to allow for massive dingers. But to keep scoring from getting out of control also cover up the crowd everywhere but center field, so that the ball is still in play unless hit to the uncovered spots. Foul territory no longer exists once you pass first and third base, but if a ball ever lands in foul territory it is foul no matter what. Teams are allowed to build robots that can hit or pitch. Encourage showboating by paying players for doing cool stuff, but also fine them for doing dumb stuff. Allow them to use that money to buy body armor that they can wear during the game. You forgot the jump pads, ball traps, and jetpacks. Now I want to go home and play my copy.
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tadashi posted:On the football train of thought, it would be cool to split the position players into offense/defense and have players who only field and players who only hit. I'm the guy who only plays outfield and drops a popup, the only play I get all game.
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Hunter Thompson had a few ideas on improving baseball. http://proxy.espn.com/espn/page2/story?id=860846
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https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/809796169803190272 You won the World Series with the Chicgo loving Cubs and have just made a guaranteed $86 million. You were used in the way the manager deemed best to win. Shut the hell up, Chapman will_colorado fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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will_colorado posted:https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/809796169803190272 A lot of Cubs fans disagree with how he was used as well. 
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A part of me wishes Maddon permanently broke him
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2016 may not be done with us, yet, as Rod Carew is having heart transplant surgery.Bob James posted:Hunter Thompson had a few ideas on improving baseball. I didn't know this existed and it's goddamn amazing.
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will_colorado posted:https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/809796169803190272 Sometimes what's best for the team is not whats best for an individual player
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elentar posted:happy holidays So it's a Boxing Helena inspired Buster Posey doll?
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will_colorado posted:https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/809796169803190272 He's not wrong though? Like Maddon completely botched his usage in the playoffs and got bailed out hard.
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