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Colostomy Bag posted:It sickens me that the Mixmaster 5000 may never see the light of day. Well you can always mix yourself some drinks irl to ease the pain
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25 players per instance isnt going to be percieved as reduced scope if you have been saying we think we can do 1000. The numbers are so far off the, "i think" part of it wont help with fans or the courts. It has to at least be in the ballpark to even be considered the same product. And thats just one of his absurd statements. Haha 25 is far to generous. The gently caress am i saying.
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AP posted:Nope, 2017 is the end I think. Maybe. The eventual release of SQ42 will be a good indicator of wats to come. If its just average they can continue to fleece backers untill the next half assed PU module. If its bad then we might see the end of funding or a refund cascade.
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Fat Shat Sings posted:Fun Fact: He legally changed his name to Wulf Knight. I want to make sure everyone remembers that.
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peter gabriel posted:Just landed the contract to do branding and promo for a large music festival yay! If you don't sneak a "parp" in that somehow, don't EVER show your face around here again. Edit: Also, grats on winning the gig. DapperDon fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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AP posted:Nope, 2017 is the end I think. I was certain this dumpster fire would burn a few more years, as they just keep downsizing at the same rate the income slows, but now agent is saying something about there being *more* employees than some months ago, which is just mind blowing. They have no idea how much cash they have or need, do they?
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Foo Diddley posted:Well you can always mix yourself some drinks irl to ease the pain not a Hairy Roberts though 
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aleksendr posted:As much as they often surprise us with the depth of their incompetence, i think they can squirt a few more years of operation if they scale back and outsource more dev to 2nd world economy... The problem is though that once they start to show signs of struggling they will find it more difficult to make nerds part with their cash. There might be a short burst of extra pledges to try and keep the thing afloat but even shitizens will realise at that point they are throwing good money after bad. They've left themselves in a massive quandary for that reason. They need to cut costs to buy time but they can't close any of the studios because it will prove that they've very concerned about running out of money. Besides, even if they could get away with chopping a studio, which would it be? Can't close LA because it would look terrible and both Crobberts and Sandi want Hollywood. Can't close Manchester because that's where Errin is and most of the work gets done. Can't close Frankfurt because that's where all the Crytek guys are. Could maybe close Texas but that probably won't save all that much in the big scheme of things. That's why I still think this thing could end with a bang, not a whimper. They make one serious fuckup and the funding flatlines, within 2 months they can't pay salaries or bills and they're done. It's just a matter of watching what they are willing to do as they get more and more desperate to keep the $$$s rolling in.
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his nibs posted:not a Hairy Roberts though A Hairy Roberts is just a Manhattan with a pube in it
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They can easily make it past 2017 if they cut a bunch of staff, shitizens will just say those guys' job is done so they don't need them anymore but they aren't showing the done stuff cause of spoilers. Then they will buy more ships.
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DogonCrook posted:25 players per instance isnt going to be percieved as reduced scope if you have been saying we think we can do 1000. The numbers are so far off the, "i think" part of it wont help with fans or the courts. It has to at least be in the ballpark to even be considered the same product. And thats just one of his absurd statements. CIG have yet to even get instances into the game, currently its just 24 per server.
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Just imagine having to think about "getting your money out" of a videogame. Why was your money "in" a video game in the first place? What kind of child-like understanding of the world must you have to put your money "into" a videogame? Just imagine being smug on the internet about having "invested" in video game spaceships.
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aleksendr posted:Maybe. The eventual release of SQ42 will be a good indicator of wats to come. If its just average they can continue to fleece backers untill the next half assed PU module. If its bad then we might see the end of funding or a refund cascade. Changing engine is the only thing I can see that might see them into 2018. They have no other tricks to play, they could maybe reveal an investor and announce a console version of SQ42 to show they still had money left but the blowback from Citizens would be bad. There is no SQ42, anything that slips out in 2017 is just going to be a few cry engine maps stitched together, Arena commander, social module + Star Marine with a terrible mission cut scene piece of bollocks glued on top. It's all fake and I'm pretty sure after 4+ years Chris Roberts is bored with it all anyway and just wants it over with.
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I actually would have been perfectly happy with the game never having more than 24 players. So its heavily instances or a glorified Coop game, so what? Most of my favorite MP games have fewer players. But now its looking more and more that the "Reduced scope, minimally viable product" won't even happen. LOL.
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Wrecked Angle posted:Can't close Manchester because that's where Errin is and most of the work gets done. That only holds if actual work is being done, and implemented.
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Foo Diddley posted:A Hairy Roberts is just a Manhattan with a pube in it When you say "make it a double" the bartender breaks out the Epilady.
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Like, seriously. This and the Kickstarter thread have just broken me. What kind of loving idiot do you have to be to throw away your consumer rights, to buy products that don't exist yet, will probably be delayed, may never be delivered and will almost certainly be worse than what was initially promised. Why would you spend even a second browsing products on websites that ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to flout consumer protection, advertising standards and post-sale protection regulations?! How is it that, even years after these sites, first appeared, companies can just vanish with millions of dollars and nobody seems to care. How many millions have just vanished out of kickstarter by now? Is it a billion yet? Has there ever been a scam on this scale before?
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aleksendr posted:If the Crobblers could scale down his vision they could easily do it like Hitman episodes. Release one every quater, 1 hour of story with 3-4 hour of mission. Every new content (ship, zone, profession, ect) debut in the SQ42 game as a kind of tutorial and then goes to PU once the next episode is released. You get to tease the players in the PU with the new ship they just enjoyed in the latest SQ42 mission (Buy now !) and instead of stupid demos and sizzle reels you are actually making usable assets for your game. Yeah, I mean poo poo if Chris could scale down his vision we could have a drat good space game out by now. In my mind, there's no doubt that the future of the game is going to come down to which stops first, the funding, or Chris' egotism. I'm shocked that they've not already scaled back to produce something reasonable, it feels like they're so focused on pushing out new ship designs which require new mechanics they can't stop to realise that they need to be heading in the other direction.
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peter gabriel posted:I am very excited today See, your good deeds paid off commando.
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Eve online servers are in England, not Iceland. Also want to add that it's a great time to be alive, being able to witness firsthand the terrible promises made by Crobblers catching up with him bit by bit as the slow dawning of technical limitations finally begins to creep across his fetid smug thumblike face. I think he knows he's playing for time now, and he knows it's about to fail, he just doesn't understand yet how big of a failure this is all going to be. I can't wait to post *smugface* on their forum the day it all happens. 
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I was what notorious closed game development studio Harebrained Schemes is working on with their limited scope game development?
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AP posted:Changing engine is the only thing I can see that might see them into 2018. They have no other tricks to play, they could maybe reveal an investor and announce a console version of SQ42 to show they still had money left but the blowback from Citizens would be bad. There is no way you can melt any investors and pour them onto this project. This is nothing but another gigantic tech debt from Crobberts that needs yet another bailout. There is nothing there to invest in as that would require a possible return on that investment because it is all pre orders and in no way will attract the mainstream gaming market which would be needed. Everyone that is interested in this game, has bought it. If not, then the funding would show that by now and CIG would use that like a bullhorn every single chance they got. The only new money they will hope to see will only come from releasing something feature complete. I believe CIG has seen the end of their record breaking funding and have nothing to show for it. I am in agreement that 2017 is going to be it as well. The moment they close one single office and there will be blood in the water as confidence in their ability as a company will flatline. I hang this not on the devs that work there, but on Chris and only Chris. Years of his bad after worse decisions and lack of leadership and ego will be the albatross across his neck. And I am glad of it.
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Please remember that the holidays are time for family so please call your parents and tell them you're going to kill them.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I was what notorious closed game development studio Harebrained Schemes is working on with their limited scope game development? Been following Bettletech closely too, I am utterly stoked!
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scrubs season six posted:Please remember that the holidays are time for family so please call your parents and tell them you're going to kill them. I just called my sister over the phone and doxxed her right to her face, she dint know what to say lol
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DapperDon posted:There is no way you can melt any investors and pour them onto this project. This is nothing but another gigantic tech debt from Crobberts that needs yet another bailout. There is nothing there to invest in as that would require a possible return on that investment because it is all pre orders and in no way will attract the mainstream gaming market which would be needed. Logically I agree but Chris Roberts has raised $30k+ from dozens of people who aren't even legally classed as investors. It's possible there are really loving dumb investors out there that want a cut of console sales for something they assume will be good and he's found at least one of them, I can't see any other reason for all the year old console rumours. If money has been tight which it must have been since Star Marine I got binned in July 2015, why even think about consoles? The difficulty in predicting what CIG will do is nobody sensible would have got themselves into this position to begin with. Even if people were throwing money at you to make a game based on promises, you'd just hire somebody competent to do it, not micro manage everything to death, get all your best staff to quit and then play movie director with luke skywalker plus pals in the most expensive movie studio in the world for months on end. AP fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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AP posted:Logically I agree but Chris Roberts has raised $30k+ from dozens of people who aren't even legally classed as investors. It's possible there are really loving dumb investors out there that want a cut of console sales for something they assume will be good and he's found at least one of them, I can't see any other reason for all the year old console rumours. If money has been tight which it must have been since Star Marine I got binned in July 2015, why even think about consoles? I think that the reason behind all of the console talk is due to Elite making a console version. And if there is one thing that is painfully obvious is that whatever ED is doing, well then CIG has got to do it better. But here's the rub on that as well. The moment that happens, he has betrayed his PC Savior status among the backers and they will rebel. Chris has nailed himself to a cross with that.
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AP posted:Changing engine is the only thing I can see that might see them into 2018. They have no other tricks to play, they could maybe reveal an investor and announce a console version of SQ42 to show they still had money left but the blowback from Citizens would be bad. Changing engine would cost them a lot of backlash, very little goodwill and would close a lot of future funding. Engine change are a sure sign of "Dev hell" and would render all the touting of the Starengine horn void and null. It would also cause all the cheap Cryteck expertise they picked up to be useless. That would be like asking for another 100M from the backers and 4 more years of dev time with the promise of "this time we can make it right !" The crobblers has been doing the exact same game since WC. All of them are the same "mission with cutscenes" game he pioneered and SQ42 was supposed to be. The day he tire of this genre is the day he retire. A few cryengine map stitched together with seamless space fight in them and mocap intermission are all the current backers want. They just have to deliver a half polished turd and the backers will give them 20M$ and another year. It worked with the social module, 2.0, Arena commander and was goign to work with Starmarine if they had not botched the hollyday stream and 2.6 release to such extent.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Random citizen, January 2020 posted: As a refunder, I have to agree the journey has been so much fun! I'm pulling for Crymelion and Tarkoshe to keep the funding alive. (hmmm, haven't seen much of Tarkoshe in the last few weeks... Sure hope he is ok.)
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