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Pick posted:The "basic income" idea is flawed because people do need to have tasks. If they don't, they flounder. It doesn't matter if the task is ultimately of any use, as long as they think it is of some use. That said, people aren't being given a fair income to survive on, and this undercuts the entire system which relies on a perception of fairness. People can occupy themselves if they have enough income and opportunities to meaningfully engage others vis a vis their interests. Even just spending time in various hobbyist groups would be more productive for the public well-being than forcing people into meaningless jobs de facto as punishment. If people feel aimless and lost without guidance from somebody in charge of them, it is because they have been torn away from society (and from the means to pursue their passions), which severely limits their possibilities of being creative and productive out of their own volition.
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Henchman of Santa posted:More like two seasons but yes. And the Raiders are moving to Vegas for similar reasons. I secretly wish that the Raiders win the Super Bowl this season and then the NFL moves them to Vegas because they are loving retarded. Though honestly I think Vegas can support any of the sports because the casinos will sell out the games and fill them with people no matter what. Also the entire state is starved for sports.
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steinrokkan posted:People can occupy themselves if they have enough income and opportunities to meaningfully engage others vis a vis their interests. Even just spending time in various hobbyist groups would be more productive for the public well-being than forcing people into meaningless jobs de facto as punishment. Always wondered whether I'd rather dig holes and fill them up again, or sit in a office, rubber stamping blank sheets of paper.
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steinrokkan posted:I don't understand why a newspaper would carry articles other than train timetables and technical descriptions of new elevator models. The Transylvania Times from back in the 1880s (ed. "V. Tepes") was nothing but that.
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The best that can be said of any pixel art is that it's "pretty good, considering the limitations". If you're making a low-budget game and that's how you cut costs, fine, totally reasonable, but people who talk about these retro-style games having "gorgeous pixel art" or whatever hyperbole they use to describe it are hopelessly deluded.
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I don't think that opinion is actually that unpopular amongst gamer mongoloids, but it is really dumb and bad.
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poptart_fairy posted:Eating rear end is not sexy. Certainly not unpopular
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Black coffee is good. Coffee with milk is good. Coffee with milk and sugar is good. Black coffee with just sugar is weird and gross!
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Only relish on hotdogs.
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Aramek posted:Black coffee is good. coffee ain't good imo 
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spit on my clit posted:coffee ain't good imo I'm so God damned pissed right now. I'm gonna drink coffee to calm down.
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Just had coffee before sleep, it's that good.
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Aramek posted:Black coffee is good. This is very true. people who only take sugar are weird as gently caress.
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veni veni veni posted:This is very true. people who only take sugar are weird as gently caress. This came to me because I was chatting with a Dutch friend who can't stand anything other than black. Like, I like a cafe au lait from time to time, but I thought about it and just sugar is horrifying.
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I admire Stalin b/c was a pretty impressive guy and without him the Russians lose the second world war which then causes the allies to lose. Also his guidance took a nation of illiterate peasants into space in a very short period of time. Additionally, the famines which killed many were unavoidable in the post-civil war environment however I will grant that the collectivization efforts made the death toll higher. Basically I'm a fan of the man. Thanks for killing The Hitler Papa Joe!
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Stalin is effective but so is getting chemotherapy to save time on hair cuts
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Mu Zeta posted:Stalin is effective but so is getting chemotherapy to save time on hair cuts Agree given that the person trying to dodge BIG BARBER in your example already has cancer and also cancer is airborne contagious and also cancer is rapidly spreading and also all of Western Europe has it already and also when that person gets chemotherapy it cures all of those problems and also the money saved on haircuts is an ancillary benefit to having a much better shot of surviving cancer through the treatment of chemotherapy. Junkiebev has a new favorite as of 02:52 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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I hear in some cases you can run a post conflict country without murdering thousands of vaguely defined opponents and using torture as a routine policing tool.
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Junkiebev posted:I admire Stalin b/c was a pretty impressive guy and without him the Russians lose the second world war which then causes the allies to lose. Also his guidance took a nation of illiterate peasants into space in a very short period of time. Additionally, the famines which killed many were unavoidable in the post-civil war environment however I will grant that the collectivization efforts made the death toll higher. Eh, the improvements were largely the result of how poo poo Russia was beforehand; just because someone improves something doesn't mean that they're actually good, just that they're less bad than an even worse alternative. That being said, I do think that people focus on Stalin disproportionately, but that doesn't concern me that much given that he was still a terrible person regardless. An analogy might be a person who donates millions of dollars to charity but also personally murdered 100 children. You could make the argument that they have been a net positive due to all the lives saved/improved from their philanthropy, but they're still a terrible person because they murder children.
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Ytlaya posted:Eh, the improvements were largely the result of how poo poo Russia was beforehand; just because someone improves something doesn't mean that they're actually good, just that they're less bad than an even worse alternative. That being said, I do think that people focus on Stalin disproportionately, but that doesn't concern me that much given that he was still a terrible person regardless. I can get onboard with that but I would add that if the only reason that they were able to give many millions of dollars is that they killed like 78 children and 70 were going to die anyway and the 22 extra units of kiddeath was belief that that would matter it would alter the equation a bit. It's the future the nazis won and then Lebensraum'd the gently caress out of Eastern Europe however you have a time machine and you believe that sending in The Stalin prevents that from happening. You know the consequences of Doing A Stalin. Do you Do A Stalin? I would Do A Stalin. Like the thread title says, it's an Unpopular Take. Junkiebev has a new favorite as of 03:37 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Jewish holiday foods are revolting. Gefilte fish is a crime. They even gently caress up delicious potato pancakes by loading it up with apple sauce and sour cream. At least the brisket is good.
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Mu Zeta posted:Jewish holiday foods are revolting. Gefilte fish is a crime. They even gently caress up delicious potato pancakes by loading it up with apple sauce and sour cream. At least the brisket is good. Does Challah count as holiday food? It may be my favourite bread in the whole world.
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Junkiebev posted:I admire Stalin b/c was a pretty impressive guy and without him the Russians lose the second world war which then causes the allies to lose. Also his guidance took a nation of illiterate peasants into space in a very short period of time. Additionally, the famines which killed many were unavoidable in the post-civil war environment however I will grant that the collectivization efforts made the death toll higher. Without Stalin at what point? Because without Stalin at all, Finland is the home of the Soviet fleet.
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Junkiebev posted:Like the thread title says, it's an Unpopular Take. I'll say. Stalin producing one of the most incompetent military forces in the history of mankind, selected purely for party loyalty, which was not only unable to decisively invade a third rate nation but also took massive losses in the process and then only reorganized in humiliation in the nick of time to face the Germans, aren't really smooth moves that put feathers in Stalin cap if you want to remember him as ruthless but capable dude. Nor was antagonizing ethnics in the USSR to the extent of, for example, eliminating ~7 million Ukrainians through artificial famine a bold strategy for ending chronic tensions. Nor was the MR Pact an unorthodox maneuver that bought the USSR the time it needed for optimal positioning. Nor was etc, etc, etc. Fortunately at the time Germany had its own political griefs going on that turned it into an even more efficient gaffe-machine so Stalin did get to be known as the dude at the wheel when Russian men and women modernized and beat the nazis. I know it's silly to play ad libs with history to try and optimize outcomes, you only get the people you actually had and the results they actually produced, but it's worth remembering that Stalin inherited a profound momentum towards reform from Lenin but it really does seem like the biggest contribution from the man himself was not ruining things enough to produce a critical failure. For example having to relearn Deep Battle Doctrine, a russian military theory that was an absolutely significant to their later successes, because of the purges implies to me that Stalin was a unique obstacle at times. IMHO saying Stalin was the only man for the job is like arguing that Bush was the only president for the job of squeezing out what positive results America got from Afghanistan/Iraq because, by gosh, only he had the gumption. In way it's right because that's the only scenario history gives us a definite answer for but it's still misleading IMUO. There might be better arguments for secretly Brilliant Stalin but I don't know them. Sorry to dunk on a dude you admire, maybe I'm overlooking things here, but if you wanted another opinion that's definitely one.
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On the flip side, I say Stalin was worse than Hitler.
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Tapatio is the best hot sauce.
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Das Boo posted:On the flip side, I say Stalin was worse than Hitler. As bad as Stalin was, he didn't even come close to being on Hitler's level. The Nazis even killed more Soviet civilians in a couple of years than Stalin managed during his entire reign, including famines. I say the Japanese were as bad as Nazis, in quality and quantity of their crimes.
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steinrokkan posted:As bad as Stalin was, he didn't even come close to being on Hitler's level. The Nazis even killed more Soviet civilians in a couple of years than Stalin managed during his entire reign, including famines. First, I thought the Soviet deaths under Stalin were anywhere from 30-50 million (depending on sources) while the total for WW2 was 60 million? Even then, I'd argue genociding your own citizens for the crimes of shifting goalposts of loyalty is infinitely worse than war crimes. Citizens were being abducted by their own government to the extent that there are accounts of people hearing a car drive up in the night, followed by multiple gunshots- not by the police, but by the citizens committing suicide. Because they knew what a car pulling up at night meant. And even after the announcement that Stalin died, people were in denial thinking it must be a trap and that if they said anything, they'd be taken away. So Stalin not only genocided his own people, but psychologically destroyed them for the remainder of his life and set the foundation of the USSR as a police state until the 1990's. And there's still bizarre poo poo coming out of Russia like that. e: I'd also contest in that Russian misinformation and advising was directly responsible for Mao's famines. Das Boo has a new favorite as of 10:23 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Das Boo posted:set the foundation of the USSR as a police state until the 1990's. At least older Russians were well experienced in living in a police state before Stalin. He just took it to a whole another level.
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Jerry Cotton posted:At least older Russians were well experienced in living in a police state before Stalin. He just took it to a whole another level. Technology being the limiting factor, I can't begin to imagine what's going to come out of DPNK when that dam bursts. 
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The figure is something like 6 - 12 million, depending on what you consider to be avoidable deaths. The figures in tens of millions usually come from Cold War pamphlets or from some demagogue demographic magic (if in 1918 Russia had 150 million people, then under constant annual growth of x%, there should have been Y million people in 1953. If there were fewer people, it's because Stalin had them killed). Meanwhile the number of Soviet civilians exterminated during Barbarossa is around 10 million. Anyway, both regimes were equally awful for broad groups of innocent people, and superficially beneficial for other, more fortunate groups, while putting a constant pressure to conform to the totalitarian norms on any individual. Ultimately at least as many people were devastated at the news of Stalin's death as were happy.
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Not to worry, now they've upgraded to a counterintelligence state 
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Dark Souls 2 was the best one and they shouldn't have made more games, just kept releasing content for it.
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This thread right now, from a ridiculously good movie: https://youtu.be/ss0jLHvMO20
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Pick posted:Graphic tees are for teens. Additionally, if you can put on a t shirt, you can put on a polo. Which always looks nicer and are usually made from nicer materials.
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Shirts with collars do look nice, for a nice nerd to wear at a math club.
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doverhog posted:Shirts with collars do look nice, for a nice nerd to wear at a math club. Nooooo!
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Know who else wears collard shirts? The Establishment. 
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