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Based on current predictions of where that tech is going, it's producing a substrate/scaffolding hybrid on which cells can grow. Presumably you could have cells grow and differentiate based on the differential concentrations of hormonal/genetic/epigenetic signaling factors embedded in the hybrid substance.
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cells are not happy sitting exposed to air, you need to pump up co2 and temp and keep them isotonic, whatever hosts are made of it's not based on eukaryote biology. I suppose you could build them out of biologically-inspired cell-like objects like nanobots, but that's an unreasonable step up in complexity trust me im a biologist
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They have a magic injury healer that works on humans, so clearly its high-tech starfleet issue BS.
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Tunicate posted:They have a magic injury healer that works on humans, so clearly its high-tech starfleet issue BS. Are you talking about the thing Maeve used to fix his neck? Pretty sure that was a hot glue gun / welder / something not really meant for use on a human, but it sealed the wound. She purposely cut him in a spot that didn't split open an artery. I think there's probably industrial tools out there today that might plug a wound, in a highly unpleasant way. PS: I hate defending the tech scenes because unless they turn out to be utter plants, they were hands down the dumbest part of a great show. Now if they were plants, that'd be fine. It'd be even funnier if Ford was sitting in the room during all those scenes, and she just couldn't see him. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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So some news I stumbled on. The good: Nolan is hinting Ford may in fact return in season 2, so there's a good chance Hopkins involvement is being kept on the down low. I'd expect more a cameo than anything, but I'm always up for more Hopkins. The also good: Samurai Park confirmed. The ugly: Next season airs in 2018. Fuuuuuuuuuuck.
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Dec 28, 2016 22:50
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link plz. The last ones been known for a bit though. They're excusing themselves by comparing it to movie/film pre-production.....which I will accept as valid.
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Oh I don't blame them. I rather wait for quality any day.
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Mulva posted:I'd imagine Westworld's future is like closer to the boring Star Trek like reality than anything from a dystopian cyberpunk future.
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Dec 29, 2016 00:19
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Since the revolution started at night in Escalante, a newly rebuilt town in a remote section of the park, I can't wait to see what happens next in places like Sweetwater where the guests and hosts don't know about the massacre.
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Dec 29, 2016 01:38
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Mulva posted:That's exactly the opposite. That world has gone to poo poo with global warming and corporate fascism. In Westworld we won. Everyone is better off and conflict is mostly eliminated and medical technology is leaps and bounds ahead and blah blah blah. That's why people turn into raging sociopaths that take a vacation to rape camp. There's no conflict in the real world, there's no excitement or challenge for them. So they go to Westworld where they can experience a time when those things existed, where they can have a thrill and pretend and let themselves go. I'd imagine Westworld's future is like closer to the boring Star Trek like reality than anything from a dystopian cyberpunk future. If that was true, if everyone was better off, it wouldn't cost $40k a day to go there...
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Astroman posted:If that was true, if everyone was better off, it wouldn't cost $40k a day to go there... I'm not following your logic here.
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Dec 29, 2016 02:54
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Blazing Ownager posted:I still hold this is entirely inflation at work. It figures that dentists would be robot fuckers. It also figures that I'd end up going to Frontier Village Acres...the cheap knockoff that's $400/day for a one-horse town, where the women in the brothel are obvious realdolls - and you have to bring your own cowboy clothes.
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Dec 29, 2016 02:56
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Megaspel posted:I'm not following your logic here. If the world was a utopia where everything was cured and everyone was provided for, then everyone could go to Westworld for free. Instead it seems to be for the ultra rich, privileged elites like we see in the corporate enclaves on Incorporated, who have it all and would be willing to pay exorbitant prices for sex and violence.
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Astroman posted:If the world was a utopia where everything was cured and everyone was provided for, then everyone could go to Westworld for free.
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Astroman posted:If the world was a utopia where everything was cured and everyone was provided for, then everyone could go to Westworld for free. Yeah, Star Trek is absolutely a socialist version of a utopia. And Westworld ain't that. It's probably a post-scarcity society in the way San Francisco is. In that it's so insularly prosperous for a narrow category of wealthy technocrats, the strata of person whose life *isn't* that is invisible.
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Outside of the Will scenes (during which the park wasn't even open to the public IIRC) it was super easy to forget that the park even had visitors. I know you could say a bunch of them were in wild west attire and going about their business, so you wouldn't necessarily recognise them, but the back half of the show could've used more reminders that people are there loving with the robots. Half the time it just seemed to be running autonomously.
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Dec 29, 2016 10:13
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does the movie Waterworld tie into this show at all
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Sort of, it's about 2 "friends" that go to the park, one of them a regular and one a newbie. By the end the newbie learns a lot about himself. It also focuses a lot on the running of the park and the break-down. I still maintain that the original Jurassic Park novel is just as close/ closer in terms of inspiration.
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Professor Shark posted:Sort of, it's about 2 "friends" that go to the park, one of them a regular and one a newbie. By the end the newbie learns a lot about himself. Re-read what 'world' he asked about there.
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I stand by my incorrect posting
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King Vidiot posted:The Assassination of Robert Ford by the Coward Robert Ford 
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Astroman posted:If the world was a utopia where everything was cured and everyone was provided for Everyone being provided for doesn't mean everyone has incredibly plush standards of living compared to the current middle class. Stuff like basic income and universal healthcare mean that you won't (unless you try really hard) die of disease or hunger, but it doesn't mean you'll have access to all resources and privileges out there.
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Imagine this: You're the Computer Science Dept Head at a reputable university. You've hired a new professor who has asked to meet with you to propose significant changes to the direction of AI research. She says the university has the opportunity to push off from the current trendy stuff (machine learning, neural networks, computer vision) and head toward "real intelligence." You have fairly broad exposure across CS disciplines, but AI is not an area you're familiar with. She sent this writeup for you to read ahead of the meeting: http://markan.net/hlai.html Ok, I framed that as a hypothetical, but that link nicely frames the current academic landscape we're in, and is cautiously optimistic that we can make good progress on the movie kind of AI, as soon as we start on it.
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Zzulu posted:does the movie Waterworld tie into this show at all Waterworld is the park for poors All they need for that park is some jet skis, floating junk islands, and a machine that lets you drink your own piss, so it can cost like $100 a day instead
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kimbo305 posted:Everyone being provided for doesn't mean everyone has incredibly plush standards of living compared to the current middle class. If money's still being used and the park costs an insane amount of money, there has to be an oppressed underclass involved.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I still hold this is entirely inflation at work. Have they said the price of anything else yet? They could have just dropped some zeroes in the future due to inflation so $40,000 is more like $40,000,000 in today's dollars.
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All the info about the outside world is paper thin and can all be interpreted as figure of speech.
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I'm quite happy to assume there is no outside world.
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They also might not get boat loads of people a year either. It's mentioned that before Delos stepped in the park was hemorrhaging money and that they started 3D printing robots since it was cheaper than the metal and gear endoskeletons. It's implied that Delos is operating the park at a loss since it benefits their other plans.
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Steve2911 posted:I'm quite happy to assume there is no outside world. Hilariously you could head-canon that the outside world is a prequel to Blade Runner Everything they've said about the outside world thus far matches up, including building artificial animals because they've died off. It'd actually be pretty sad if at the end of the series hosts were given a 4 year life span to reduce chance of revolt and shipped off world to mine for poo poo.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:They also might not get boat loads of people a year either. 1400 people in the park at a time, each roughly on a 2-week stint -- about 36k a year, 20billion future dollars. Disney World parks pull in about $15bil current dollars revenue, for comparison.
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I just watched an "Adam ruins everything" episode about the wild west, and it was pretty weird seeing them goof around on the Escalante set for a half hour. The in-park setpeices (Sweetwater, escalante, and Las Mudas) are some of the most used sets in hollywood, I'm sure I'll notice them forever now.
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Fooz posted:I just watched an "Adam ruins everything" episode about the wild west, and it was pretty weird seeing them goof around on the Escalante set for a half hour. The in-park setpeices (Sweetwater, escalante, and Las Mudas) are some of the most used sets in hollywood, I'm sure I'll notice them forever now. Yeah, HBO's used at least one -- Escalante? -- before, in their production of Carnivale. It's the town they travel to at the end of the first season, and hang around in during part of the second.
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in universe. most of california sunk into the sea, so they built westworld around some old hollywood sets
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Just caught up. Great ending. So the Arnold rewriting people's code was actually Ford. Ford wanted the hosts to achieve sentience. But I'm having trouble parsing his overall motivations. In the initial conflict with Arnold It's not clear that there's any contention over whether the robots *should* be sentient or not, just whether it's ethical to open the park that in mind. So what's the tipping point for Ford where he realizes that the park shouldn't exist with sentient hosts? Or is it just a question of him not wanting anyone to control the park and those beings except himself? Also did he intend for Dolores to kill him at the end or was that her choice as part of her new gently caress humans revolutionary self?
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The Walrus posted:Also did he intend for Dolores to kill him at the end or was that her choice as part of her new gently caress humans revolutionary self? I'm simplifying a bit, but it's basically supposed to be both at the same time.
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Arnold gave Dolores a goal, Ford gave her a motivation.
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The Walrus posted:Just caught up. Great ending. So the Arnold rewriting people's code was actually Ford. Ford wanted the hosts to achieve sentience. But I'm having trouble parsing his overall motivations. In the initial conflict with Arnold It's not clear that there's any contention over whether the robots *should* be sentient or not, just whether it's ethical to open the park that in mind. So what's the tipping point for Ford where he realizes that the park shouldn't exist with sentient hosts? Or is it just a question of him not wanting anyone to control the park and those beings except himself? Also did he intend for Dolores to kill him at the end or was that her choice as part of her new gently caress humans revolutionary self? If you listen to all Ford says, it sounds like sometime between Arnold's death and now he basically completely lost faith in humanity; once he believed they were sentient, I think it changed his entire world view. He keeps talking about how humanity should be at it's end. Long story short, where Ford differs from Arnold's thoughts, is that Arnold thought the park should be closed and wanted to continue working openly on making them sentient, but Ford believed if the world knew they could be more than that, humanity would immediately perceive them as threats, and destroy or exploit them. He's probably not wrong, either, which is why he kept the placing running for year after year; he wasn't torturing them, he was giving them time to gain experience and understanding of humanity - their inevitable enemy - and to discover sentience, which likely also took considerable time. When he got put into a position where the board of directors was about to fire him and thus he wouldn't be able to protect/help the hosts anymore, he started his plan up, beginning with the revelries, allowing them to access all that knowledge and experience that until that point kept getting lost in a loop and setting up the massacre of the Delos board. He basically knew his time was up, so they all ran out of time; if he walked away from the park as is they'd probably just melt the "malfunctioning" hosts down and call it a day.
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Hey so uhhh Why doesn't anyone raise an eyebrow about why an Arnold look-a-like named Bernard works at the same theme park where Arnold killed himself?
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Hey so uhhh Watch through the show and pay attention and you'll find out.
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