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spog posted:I'll admit to being that guy, though it was for work, not personal. That hasn't been true since 1997. You need a class 2 LGV licence to drive a 7.5t truck these days I believe.
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Blacknose posted:That hasn't been true since 1997. You need a class 2 LGV licence to drive a 7.5t truck these days I believe. I should admit that I am quite old and still have a paper license, with grandfathered in rights, so I get to be a bigger menace on the road than young 'uns. I can also drive an agricultural tractor, a lawn mower, a road roller, and a tank (thought the last two are only provisional licenses)
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Enourmo posted:Cars have conservative ratings, as far as I'm aware what you see is what you get on the pickups. Anecdotal of course, but I know a lot of farmers who drastically exceed tow ratings with 1/2 and 3/4 ton pickups all day every day with zero issues. My dads old 6.2 diesel was rated for 10k or whatever it was, and we'd routinely haul 15-20k pieces of equipment without any issue. Now, we weren't doing it on the highway, or for huge distances, but the truck never hiccuped or blinked an eye about it - brakes, transmission, engine all just puttered along happily. But this is also talking about people with properly maintained vehicles who know what they are dong, as opposed to the other 98% of people on the road who are giant loving twatwaffles.
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spog posted:I should admit that I am quite old and still have a paper license, with grandfathered in rights, so I get to be a bigger menace on the road than young 'uns. Even those of us with the lovely later licenses can still drive tanks as provisional. I believe too that if they only have one seat you can do it unaccompanied with just an L plate, and older tanks are also road tax free, MOT exempt and congestion charge exempt...
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Uhaul let me rent a car towing dolly while I was driving a 91 honda accord with a hitch, to tow an 82 honda accord.
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I just abuse U-Haul for car trailers.
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Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:Last time I rented from U-Haul, I made the reservation almost a month in advance. SPECIFICALLY stated I needed air conditioning (I was moving in August and don't tolerate heat well) and a 17-20 ft truck. Would also need a dolly and moving blankets. Said no problem. Two things: 1: I really liked those old 80s Toyota trucks. I blame Back To The Future, I wanted that black lifted 4x4 so bad. They're like plucky little badgers that do what you want and don't give a gently caress. I loved the old dually camper conversions those things would stick out the front of when I was a kid. 2: Why does literally everything lovely happen to you? It's like you attract bullshittery. E: #2 depends on my correct assumption that you're the artist formerly known as Some Texas Redneck.
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Siochain posted:Anecdotal of course, but I know a lot of farmers who drastically exceed tow ratings with 1/2 and 3/4 ton pickups all day every day with zero issues. My dads old 6.2 diesel was rated for 10k or whatever it was, and we'd routinely haul 15-20k pieces of equipment without any issue. Now, we weren't doing it on the highway, or for huge distances, but the truck never hiccuped or blinked an eye about it - brakes, transmission, engine all just puttered along happily. But this is also talking about people with properly maintained vehicles who know what they are dong, as opposed to the other 98% of people on the road who are giant loving twatwaffles. Ya I'm pretty sure the thing with tow ratings is they're assuming you're a complete idiot that thinks you don't have to adjust your driving at all. I get why they do that given the first snow of the year causes a shitload of people to rear end other vehicles because they don't understand that it may take longer to stop in the snow, but I also don't think it's the end of the world to exceed it while being smart and careful about it.
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Enourmo posted:Cars have conservative ratings, as far as I'm aware what you see is what you get on the pickups. Reminder that the ratings are based less on what the vehicle can pull and more on what it can comfortably control and stop from highway speeds. That's a lot harder than pulling. You could hook up one of the dollies they use in multi-trailer trucks behind a modern pickup or SUV and on level ground at low speed you could pull pretty much anything on wheels. See the Touareg pulling the 747, the Tacoma pulling the Space Shuttle, etc. With that in mind I have no problem with people exceeding the weight ratings of pickups at low speeds on back roads. As Siochain notes, that's basically a way of life for farmers. If you're going tractor speeds the risk is insignificant.
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USDM truck tow ratings assume you'll be pulling the rated load: 1. At 80 MPH 2. On an 8% grade 3. In death valley on the hottest day of the year 4. While being a complete retard 5. With your lawyer's phone number on speed dial USDM car tow ratings assume: 1. If they tell you it can't tow at all you'll buy a much-more-profitable truck instead
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Tomarse posted:Even those of us with the lovely later licenses can still drive tanks as provisional. I believe too that if they only have one seat you can do it unaccompanied with just an L plate, and older tanks are also road tax free, MOT exempt and congestion charge exempt... Admit it: you've done the calculations to see if you could justify a surplus Scorpion tank for commuting.
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1500quidporsche posted:Ya I'm pretty sure the thing with tow ratings is they're assuming you're a complete idiot that thinks you don't have to adjust your driving at all. I get why they do that given the first snow of the year causes a shitload of people to rear end other vehicles because they don't understand that it may take longer to stop in the snow, but I also don't think it's the end of the world to exceed it while being smart and careful about it. Yep. gently caress, I've towedsomewhere between 9k and 10k with the Tundra and it handled it so smoothly its not even funny. Obviously took longer to stop, but it wasn't 1/2 as bad as I thought it would be. Would have a diesel if I did that often, though, as hooooooooooly gently caress she chugged gas.
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It's all fun and games until you have to avoid the idiot that's texting, then the tail wags the dog and you roll over and your insurance denies your damage and bodily injury claims due to negligent operation.
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Kev got you all beat.... Kevbarlas posted:
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I remember that thread, great beginnings of an AI legend.
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Godholio posted:It's all fun and games until you have to avoid the idiot that's texting, then the tail wags the dog and you roll over and your insurance denies your damage and bodily injury claims due to negligent operation. Guess it's time for a classic video of the towing genre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyXgMal3C1U
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Siochain posted:Yep. gently caress, I've towedsomewhere between 9k and 10k with the Tundra and it handled it so smoothly its not even funny. Obviously took longer to stop, but it wasn't 1/2 as bad as I thought it would be. Would have a diesel if I did that often, though, as hooooooooooly gently caress she chugged gas. This. I regularly hit 10kish hauling round bales with my Tundra. It does it, trailer brakes make sure it stops ok, but daaamn 8mpg. Even with an unladen tall stock trailer it will hit single digits on the interstate. Also there is an SAE standard for towing now. Toyota uses it and I think some of the other manufacturers have signed on as well. Old tow ratings are set by the marketing department, not the engineering or legal department.
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HandlingByJebus posted:gently caress yeah. Heh, yeah back then screw haul had the manual trannies. Probably 1st was a granny gear. I can't imagine the carnage on the roads if manuals were still offered at rental places.
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rdb posted:This. I regularly hit 10kish hauling round bales with my Tundra. It does it, trailer brakes make sure it stops ok, but daaamn 8mpg. Even with an unladen tall stock trailer it will hit single digits on the interstate. J2807, loving finally. Everyone has just been playing one-upmanship for years. At least they'll have to put up or shut up. Then again, 900+ft-lbs and the aggressive transmissions mean you can really loving pull with a 3/4 ton class diesel truck. The brakes are no slouch anymore, either. Combine that with exhaust brakes and adaptive cruise control, and poo poo sure has gotten easier/better in recent years. Of course, that requires that the driver knows what the gently caress they're doing  .
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Savington posted:Idiots like this are why towing cap ratings are so low. Idiots like this contribute as well. 
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Powershift posted:Idiots like this contribute as well. Even worse, look how unbalanced that trailer is.
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Savington posted:Idiots like this are why towing cap ratings are so low. Nice cage (?!)
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Powershift posted:Idiots like this contribute as well. This probably wouldn't have happened if the trailered car were just a few feet more forward, but that might exceed the tongue rating.
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Like that guy had any idea about tongue ratings or balancing.
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I don't know if it's possible to find a picture of it anymore. Maybe I even saw it on this forum somewhere. It was a guy who wanted a big tree stump. They put it forward on the trailer and it both broke the trailer and bent his truck in half.
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Hugh G. Rectum posted:
whhhhaaaaat the hell did they do.
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EightBit posted:This probably wouldn't have happened if the trailered car were just a few feet more forward, but that might exceed the tongue rating. Obviously the talented staff at U-Haul would have instructed the owner on proper trailer techniques.
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CommieGIR posted:whhhhaaaaat the hell did they do. This has to be a joke. Theres no way.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Obviously the talented staff at U-Haul would have instructed the owner on proper trailer techniques. Every UHaul trailer I've seen has big labels saying to put more weight to the front.
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Cojawfee posted:Every UHaul trailer I've seen has big labels saying to put more weight to the front. If my wife had those labels I'd suffocate.
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I imagine I'd grabbed these from way earlier in the thread, like a few years back, but they're worth re-posting: 
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Oh nice, running that high viscosity stuff! That's what you want in hot climates right? https://gfycat.com/TidyQueasyAuk#?speed=0.5
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xzzy posted:Oh nice, running that high viscosity stuff! That's what you want in hot climates right? Man, at first I thought it was just so full of metal particles it was doing some kind of ferrofluid magic bullshit, but then the closeup when you can see how slow it's flowing... 
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Then there's this from a while back.. http://www.performancetrucks.net/forums/8-lug-truck-performance-149/any-6-0-2500hd-pulling-travel-trailers-442654/#post4225054
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PCOS Bill posted:Do you not haul hay with your tractor? 
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