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peramene
Oct 13, 2015

by Fluffdaddy
Hoo boy. Tobbs. Okay. This is gonna take a while. gently caress.

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got some chores tonight
Feb 18, 2012

honk honk whats for lunch...
i was baiting you into posting, jackie boy, hope you understand, its just business

George Kansas
Sep 1, 2008

preface all my posts with this

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

People defending me or not is irrelevant anyways since I'm town lol

makin' me want 2 vote u with this post

you've posted a lot and I'm leaning town but this post makes me all kinds of mad

this is like something TMM would post in 2015

George Kansas
Sep 1, 2008

preface all my posts with this

got some chores tonight posted:

i was baiting you into posting, jackie boy, hope you understand, its just business

no worries chores

George Kansas
Sep 1, 2008

preface all my posts with this

Moatillata posted:

MY EYE IS UPON YOU

oh, moat, we call this Finger of Supicion

please feel free to say you're FoSing MMT

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

peramene posted:


send me a dick pic and if you can clear a 8 point rating I'll vote your way D1

Well okay I guess.

George Kansas
Sep 1, 2008

preface all my posts with this

CCKeane posted:

Well okay I guess.



that's a 10/10 dick right there

Tobbs Gnawed
Apr 4, 2007

All round mafia nice guy

BottleKnight posted:

makin' me want 2 vote u with this post

you've posted a lot and I'm leaning town but this post makes me all kinds of mad

this is like something TMM would post in 2015

well, with regards to pushing scum cases on them before my flip. That's inane.

Moat/Max could jump on and bus me if they really wanted to, and if they were scum, it would be good play (because I would probably scream to everyone that they are scum, get lynched, and the game would continue as if nothing ever happened).

Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Where the hell is my SWORD?
Grimey Drawer
We may not post much tonight but will try to be around for deadline

i am the bird
Mar 2, 2005

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS
I'm super comfortable with my Tobbs vote with his "woe is me" passion play currently unfolding.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Moatillata posted:

In my experience the people that post " oh wow I forgot soandso was in this game" are in fact scum

I just think that you mentioning my one single post about you while ignoring all of my other content is something only scum would do.

quote:

Are you scum mmt?

I kind of feel like your opinion of my alignment is more relevant than my opinion of my alignment. I have plenty of content, do you think I'm scum?

got some chores tonight
Feb 18, 2012

honk honk whats for lunch...
i am very confident i am a bird is scum due to his circumstances on joining the game so ill just vote there

##unvote ##vote i am a bird

i am the bird
Mar 2, 2005

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS

got some chores tonight posted:

i am very confident i am a bird is scum due to his circumstances on joining the game so ill just vote there

##unvote ##vote i am a bird

For got some chores tonight, the day Bird graced The Swan Song of Dr. Selene Pereau was the most important day of his life. But for me, it was Tuesday Wednesday.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

peramene posted:

##vote MurmurTwin

I'm not joking and this isn't personal and you know I love you but this is a meta-read. MMT knows me very well - better than any of you (even you, BK.) MMT knows when I'm honestly having trouble understanding a concept and - thanks to loving me in Survivor, when I'm pretending to. MMT is confident she can flowertalk me into believing her. An idiot-rear end town player like me would be the perfect goat-lynch to carry to the end accidentally helping my literal best friend excel in a brilliantly-done scum game (would you expect less from her?) From what I know of MMT, which is months of watching her lie to our fellow players in ABB2 for my benefit, including one time when she lied in order to protect me, the inclusion of this line is not "mafia mommying" for my benefit - it is a legitimate attempt to save me from the rest of you so that I might be useful to her. Sorry, honey. You know I love you and I do appreciate the help which, hey, I could be wrong, I'll answer below.

:sympathy:

Yessssss I'm not even mad. This is a good case! (and I'm aware that that reply further solidifies the case :j:)

I got into Mafia mainly as a way to keep in touch with friends from Awful Survivor after the game ended, so I will admit that the main motivation from my post was that I want you to regularly play Mafia. My read was that you weren't having fun (a) being attacked for having a Post Restriction, (b) trying to keep up with an abundance of meta arguments, and (c) trying to catch up with a large game, and (d) trying to force out a bunch of posts to keep Ecco's quota, hence my engagement.

I maintain that I think pera would be posting differently this game if she were in a scumdoc.

quote:

As an individual, PMom is rude to me, hates the way I play (or at least claims to), feels free openly insulting me, is confident that I will not be of value to town - I can trust PMom not to be loving with me just to gently caress with me personally. It might be a mid-con to get at me, but then again, PMom would be free to interpret the preceding as the exact same. Regardless:

Obviously, I'd avoid shooting myself (at least in-game), and I happen to know I'm town. ("Sure, you do." Yeah, yeah.) So now that I'm back, I'll look at SSV first, and PMom himself last.

The moment Mafia clicked for me as a game to enjoy playing was when I realized that (a) attacking/being attacked is almost never personal (and never should be) and (b) it's totally fine to put out a wrong case - if you're town, it's just a given that you won't always be right, and oftentimes the way people react might still be useful.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

i am the bird posted:

For got some chores tonight, the day Bird graced The Swan Song of Dr. Selene Pereau was the most important day of his life. But for me, it was Tuesday Wednesday.

Kashuno posted:

we think this is as genuine as our love for animals

This game has made me literally :lol: twice so far.

Tobbs Gnawed
Apr 4, 2007

All round mafia nice guy

Murmur Twin posted:

When I read town Tobbs, his thought process explanations help me understand how he got to the conclusions he did, even if I disagree with them. With scum Tobbs, he explains his thoughts but it still doesn't make sense how he could arrive at those conclusions.

At least, imo.


To clarify some things:

- I feel pretty confident in Tobbs being scum - basically my case here (I think Tobbs is being more illogical and more defensive than usual)
- I was on TMM's scumteam in Shine 3 and this doesn't look like the same thing at all to me. (S3 he felt disengaged due to shitposting, here he said he'd be gone before the game started)

I think meta reads are fine and good but they should never take precedence over in-game reads. More content on other players coming shortly.

I think the only game we played together where I was scum was League 3, and I was barely able to play that game (copped N1 by chores IIRC).

As for TMM, I followed up my initial suspicion with a case. TMM was posting around noon, but then he disappeared. Nobody has commented on it.

As for your case on me, I responded to Kashuno, pointing out that it was FL who brought up the possibility of Keane being a 3P (in a hypothetical scenario). Kashuno took my post, pretended I made it before FL did, and used it as partial justification to vote for me.

Both you and Kashuno are making an effort to pull my posts out of context in order to fabricate a case. You are deliberately ignoring the context in which the posts are made, or the fact that I'm talking to someone else when I make the posts. You call me 'defensive' when I'm in the middle of a conversation with someone and not actually responding to any accusations against me.

You and Kash's behavior (taking posts out of context, fabricating a case out of cherrypicked posts) is decidedly scummy. Maybe you think that's a good thing to do as town?

For example, after FL explained his thoughts and motivation behind calling out Keane, his position made more sense to me and I unvoted him. That became a part of you/Kash's case against me, because you both are deliberately taking posts that "look bad", quoting them, and fabricating reasons why I might make them as scum.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

got some chores tonight posted:

i am very confident i am a bird is scum due to his circumstances on joining the game so ill just vote there

##unvote ##vote i am a bird

I'm conflicted because I absolutely see your point but I feel like it's unfair not to give Bird a chance to contribute his way out of suspicion.

Tobbs Gnawed
Apr 4, 2007

All round mafia nice guy

Murmur Twin posted:

I'm conflicted because I absolutely see your point but I feel like it's unfair not to give Bird a chance to contribute his way out of suspicion.

AR lurked pretty hard in the last Ecco game I played (Nuns of Nolaisko) and he was town, so he doesn't seem so suspicious to me yet.

Max
Nov 30, 2002

Done driving. Won 40 bucks at the casino. Doing ok.

Immediate thought: pera might actually be town, though I've never experienced her in a mafia game.

Soaring Kestrel
Nov 7, 2009

For Whiterock.
Fun Shoe
Pera coming out of the PR with the posts that she's made makes me feel a lot better about her, and I don't think I'd vote her today under any circumstance.

I'm an idiot and made myself real sick today, but I'll try and be around closer to deadline.

Soaring Kestrel
Nov 7, 2009

For Whiterock.
Fun Shoe

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

AR lurked pretty hard in the last Ecco game I played (Nuns of Nolaisko) and he was town, so he doesn't seem so suspicious to me yet.

For what it's worth, it wasn't just Nuns that AR lurked in - he's lurked to the point of being replaced in games I've been in where he was town, IIRC. I think it's just part of his playstyle. Bird's come forward and made reads and participated in the game since joining, so I don't think there's a smoking gun there.

Max
Nov 30, 2002

AR has been iffy recently in terms of how he plays. In Asiinas game he was next to useless, intentionally, and was town.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

AR lurked pretty hard in the last Ecco game I played (Nuns of Nolaisko) and he was town, so he doesn't seem so suspicious to me yet.

I don't think lurking is the tell, I think checking in to explain why he's lurking is. It reads like scum who feels bad for bringing their team down.

I say this as someone who has frequently done the same thing in the same situation.

Max
Nov 30, 2002

Yeah but lurking is your tell.

got some chores tonight
Feb 18, 2012

honk honk whats for lunch...
whats my tell

Tobbs Gnawed
Apr 4, 2007

All round mafia nice guy

being wrong

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Max posted:

Yeah but lurking is your tell.

(source)

quote:

When I'm going through a stressful period in my life*, if I'm town I will put a ton of effort in and be engaged and appreciate the distraction, whereas if I'm scum I'll see it as one more stressful thing to do and miserably limp along until I either mess up or freak/replace out. Admittedly though I like sharing my tells as a way to motivate myself to change them, so make of that what you will.

Assuming you think that meta applies, I can at least confirm that today would qualify for it.

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

I don't think I've ever really seen your scumgame (other than like a game where you died early that I can't remember?) but I'm honestly curious if I can spot it. :eng101:

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Max posted:

AR has been iffy recently in terms of how he plays. In Asiinas game he was next to useless, intentionally, and was town.

f u

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Hmmm. I think it's best to ##vote MMT

I feel like her move away from Tobbs is kind of scummy. I'm just trying to figure out if it's scum moving away from a scum buddy or scum moving away from a town lynch target.

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
However I will say that MMT does seem to be participating more than she has in prior games where she was scum, so I have some small doubts but not enough to not vote her at this time.

Moatillata
Dec 13, 2006

Maintain.

Murmur Twin posted:

I kind of feel like your opinion of my alignment is more relevant than my opinion of my alignment. I have plenty of content, do you think I'm scum?

I think a simple no would have sufficed.

I pegged you as scum in shine 3 and Mmt I believe I am the one who just jammed you up in this game

##unvote

##vote mmt

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?
well, those votes sure don't look like they were coordinated in a scumdoc or anything

Max
Nov 30, 2002

Not really feeling MMT today, honestly.

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Max posted:

Not really feeling MMT today, honestly.

Possibly because you're scum with her.

Max
Nov 30, 2002

Ahh, TMM drawing unflipped connections. I missed that.

Moatillata
Dec 13, 2006

Maintain.
Tmm are you still traveling or what?

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Moatillata posted:

Tmm are you still traveling or what?

I'm working. And traveling home for the day.

Moatillata
Dec 13, 2006

Maintain.

TMMadman posted:

I'm working. And traveling home for the day.

Aight. Just keeping tabs. Checkin up.

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Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Where the hell is my SWORD?
Grimey Drawer
We think MMT is a stupid vote gaining traction for no reason

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