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tanglewood1420 posted:I have no empirical evidence to back me up, but I'm of the the opposite opinion. Get to an NBA team as soon as you can because they have better coaches, you have no time restrictions on working with them and a pro team has a much bigger incentive to improve the game of a player on a four year contract they are invested in than a college does for someone who could leave and go pro any moment and they can replace with a five star recruit every year. Staying in school is only worth it if you think you could improve from undrafted to a draft pick, or jump from second rounder/late first to a lottery pick. Otherwise declare and get drafted ASAP will be best for you game long term. You think you may have the opposite opinion but in fact we are discussing two different subjects! I'm stealing the phrase 'basketball mortality' to describe that moment when a player who's dominated at every level realizes there are limitations to their game that other teams will exploit, things that will shorten their potential careers. If a player feels that basketball mortality in college I think it has a better chance of remaining firmly in their minds, becauase everyone expects a raw NBA rookie to struggle. So if other college teams gameplan around a super toolsy wings lack of shooting and eliminate their team from the conference tournament or what have you, that idea may stick, and they may do what they need to do to develop a shot. It's just an armchair psychological theory. I do not disagree that the pros are the best place to learn basketball skills, my point is that it sometimes takes more than practice with good coaches to learn, there has to be a need, a deep desire, a fear of being without that thing
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Am I correct in thinking that Hamadou Diallo can be drafted in 2017?
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He says he won't but he could. He'll be 19 and a year removed from high school
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Paul Zuvella posted:Obviously we have to wait until official stuff comes out, but he certainly looks like he's closer to 6'3" than 6'6" DraftExpress has him at ~6'6" on everything except his official college team record which is weird since you'd think UK would be the one pumping him up. Unless this is just some kind of Calipari mind trick where he doesn't want teams to see that extra 3 inches coming (I doubt it). chunkles posted:I feel like there are a few upperclassmen who come in and contribute right away every year, but from a personal standpoint I'd go as soon as I could get that guaranteed contract (see the cautionary tale of Alex Poythress) I'll never know what this feels like but I think my personal flowchart would be: Can I get that money? -> If "Yes" -> Get that money 1 million dollars is life loving changing money to almost anyone. tadashi fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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I've posted this before, but it's not like the quality of life of a college star athlete is all that bad. In fact, I am willing to bet for most athletes the college years are more fun than the first couple years in the league. If a guy feels like he wants to extend that experience a bit longer, or he isn't ready for "the real world" (as most 19 year olds aren't) I can't really blame anyone. The other side is we don't give agents enough credit for what they do. An agent could absolutely have a perspective that might help someone, (maybe it's better to lose a year & a bit of money but the next draft year is more advantageous to that type of player).
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Lockback posted:I've posted this before, but it's not like the quality of life of a college star athlete is all that bad. In fact, I am willing to bet for most athletes the college years are more fun than the first couple years in the league. If a guy feels like he wants to extend that experience a bit longer, or he isn't ready for "the real world" (as most 19 year olds aren't) I can't really blame anyone. I don't blame anyone for staying just like I don't blame anyone for leaving. Obviously the best life financial decision is to go out but college has less tangible benefits and if someone chooses it, cool with me.
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EvanTH posted:Potential Lottery Picks whose names have not been mentioned yet: Good News https://streamable.com/srjt8
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What can you guys tell me about Bam Adebayo? He seemed pretty good in what I saw of him against Vanderbilt (who are not very good, mind you).
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I like Lauri Markkanen but I worry he won't be good in the NBA until he's like a 34 year old Spur.
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EvanTH posted:Good News btw in case everyone isn't clicking on this it's a massive knee-in-the-chest dunk
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EvanTH posted:btw in case everyone isn't clicking on this it's a massive knee-in-the-chest dunk that's a sagat-rear end tiger dunk
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euphronius posted:Lots of shooters in this lottery ...no? There's Fultz, Monk, Markkannen, and I guess Ball if you think that his trebuchet release is going to hold up Paul Zuvella posted:The second you are a consensus first round pick, the intelligent thing is to leave for the NBA. We're talking about pure opportunity cost, the risks greatly outweigh the positives of staying for 1-3 more years of college. RIP Patric Young
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That seems like a lot to me compared to other years. Id also throw Smith and Isaac into the "can shoot" basket.
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I'm going to make an effort to assemble a schedule and watch every single US prospect in at least one game if possible. Any must-watch games off the tops of people's heads?
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What can you guys tell me about Bam Adebayo? He seemed pretty good in what I saw of him against Vanderbilt (who are not very good, mind you). He's already evolved as a player from the start of the season. I don't know where his draft stock is but it seems like people are pleased with what they see from him so you're impression of him being "pretty good" is not out of step with what I'm reading from people who cover UK. He's moving his feet well, getting rebounds, and actually showing some ball handling skills. Where he got exploited in the Vandy game, and it will continue to happen according to people who know more about these things, is he doesn't defend guards on the perimeter well and the UK approach to defense means teams will attempt to get a shooter on the perimeter matched up against him via screens.
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Declan MacManus posted:...no? There's Fultz, Monk, Markkannen, and I guess Ball if you think that his trebuchet release is going to hold up Isn't Ball also incapable of shooting from within the three point line?
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Rick posted:I'm going to make an effort to assemble a schedule and watch every single US prospect in at least one game if possible. Any must-watch games off the tops of people's heads?
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Henchman of Santa posted:Isn't Ball also incapable of shooting from within the three point line? He shoots .667 percent for 2s while taking 4 a game. An important thing to remember about Lonzo is that he actually does not take a lot of shots for UCLA. He only Averages 9.4 a game.
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Lonzo Ball will be a good litmus test for hosed up jumper theory, insane dad theory (cross sport), the look (doesn't have it), the name tool (has it)
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straight up brolic posted:Lonzo Ball will be a good litmus test for hosed up jumper theory, insane dad theory (cross sport), the look (doesn't have it), the name tool (has it) That's a lot of factors to isolate, but thankfully there are several Ball brothers for sample size. Do we have a control Ball brother who we can isolate?
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Rick posted:I'm going to make an effort to assemble a schedule and watch every single US prospect in at least one game if possible. Any must-watch games off the tops of people's heads? Lottery prospect or like, guy who might get drafted?
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Rick posted:I'm going to make an effort to assemble a schedule and watch every single US prospect in at least one game if possible. Any must-watch games off the tops of people's heads? Are you asking for games that showcase everything about them, i.e. strengths and weaknesses? Just best games? I think the Malik Monk 47 point game against North Carolina is a must watch.
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DeimosRising posted:Lottery prospect or like, guy who might get drafted? I'm gonna try the top 30 US prospects. I figure I'll catch a few of the second round guys there. mikeraskol posted:Are you asking for games that showcase everything about them, i.e. strengths and weaknesses? Just best games? I'd prefer a showcase but I'll probably for some guys just settle for watching them play. straight up brolic posted:Washington Arizona obv Good call, I should probably sports-morally watch that anyway.
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Rick posted:I'm gonna try the top 30 US prospects. I figure I'll catch a few of the second round guys there. You should make a point of catching the KU/UK game soon. Monk, Josh Jackson and DeAaron Fox.
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Today was a prototypical Josh Jackson game: 20 points (5/13), 10 rebounds, 4 steals and an assist...and 0/1 from 3 and 10/17 (wtf?) from the line. 
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Criminal Minded posted:Today was a prototypical Josh Jackson game: 20 points (5/13), 10 rebounds, 4 steals and an assist...and 0/1 from 3 and 10/17 (wtf?) from the line. Kansas was getting a lot of touch fouls their way
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That was easier to put together than I thought. I think I'm gonna schedule another Rabb game since I only managed to catch a half and apparently he was bad the first half. Not that I really think watching a single basketball game of someone play is enough to be informed on them anyway. Evaluating post play is almost worthless in these games since a guy is posting up someone who he has a major athletic advantage on which anyone can do, but Rabb seems to at least have the baseline competency of "I can do something with my back to the basket." The thing that stood out to me about him was rebounding though, he is not a passive rebounder.
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Saw Jarrett Allen in person today. Really unique prospect but he needs to get so so much stronger to do anything in the league.
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straight up brolic posted:Saw Jarrett Allen in person today. Really unique prospect but he needs to get so so much stronger to do anything in the league. Similarly, I saw John Motley against WVU the other day and he looked like crap. Reminded me of Earl Clark, long and bouncy but no vision or awareness. Missed easy passes repeatedly and had basket tunnel vision. Not strong enough to finish through contact from WVU players who won't sniff the NBA. Only goes left, lazy rotator. Good hair game.
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Somebody tell me about Frank Ntilikina. I've literally never seen him play but on paper he seems to have great two way potential if his 3 point shot continues to develop. Also seems like he can fit in Philly with Ben Simmons seeing as he's played off the ball most of this season.
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Ty1990 posted:Somebody tell me about Frank Ntilikina. I've literally never seen him play but on paper he seems to have great two way potential if his 3 point shot continues to develop. Also seems like he can fit in Philly with Ben Simmons seeing as he's played off the ball most of this season. People want to compare him to Dennis the Benice Schroder, because they have African parents but grew up in German speaking regions. But it's not true, except that theres plenty of footage of them dominating slower, shorter guards. He's bigger, bouncier they might have similar wingspans, he doesn't play at full speed or dead stop like schroeder, he has a change of pace game. He also is a much smarter passer than schroder was, has a better jumper, and just looks more like an an NBA prospect, he's not just a turbo speed little guy with massive arms as schroder was. He'll be better than Schroder, probably, he has the size to get in the way on defense and if he improves his shot he could be a good starting NBA pg. The Pistons are so bad that I'm looking at all the late lottery pgs in hope that there's diamond in the rough to replace Reginald Val Jackson with, or that Harry Giles stays hurt, falls to them and becomes a superstar.
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Dejan Bimble posted:Typical caveats apply: I've watched 2 of his games as blurry frontrowsports streams and highlights Appreciate it. I've heard the Schroeder comparisons non stop so it's good to get some insight.
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Ty1990 posted:Appreciate it. I've heard the Schroeder comparisons non stop so it's good to get some insight. Bodywise, he's much longer than Schroder; 3 inches taller and ~4-5 inches longer in terms of wingspan. He reminds me a lot of Reggie Jackson in terms of his frame (weight/height/length).
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I don't think I caught either Sumner or Patton's best game today. The reffing was just atrocious. Sumner is a really nice passer, and his ability to drive and either force defenses to pay attention to him, or get to the rim, is nice (including a pretty nice dunk: https://twitter.com/FOXSports/status/675830087497871360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw). Nothing to speak of as far as his shot, it's not ugly in form but it just wasn't there. I thought his decision making was ok for a young PG, he had 4 turnovers but two of those were very questionable offensive foul calls. Defensively he was inches away from making a great play several times, but just couldn't complete it, and seemed to let himself get switched on to centers constantly (although he did surprisingly well considering the height difference). Patton was stymied with four fouls and barely played the second half. He did quite a few silly things. But he at least tried on defense (maybe too hard thus the fouls), he also probably won them the game with his ability to tip the ball into the basket. I probably need another look at him.
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