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PostNouveau posted:The guy playing the soldier in charge of the Suicide Squad looks more like a trailer park meth addict than a soldier. I thought that was intentional.
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well why not posted:count me in for the new ad format being better. i actually suggested a music cue earlier in the thread, so i'm pumped to see it happen. It was a great idea, and "Spanish Flea" is a great choice because my brain has a pavlovian association with that song and comedy, so I feel like I'm being entertained no matter what's happening during that song. Not that the guys aren't funny with their ads, they're about the best I've ever seen from podcasters. But I don't trust that I'd be able to tell either way.
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all comic book movies are bad and dumb but THIS IS KATANAAAAAAA I WOULD ADVISE NOT GETTING KILLED BY HER. HER SWORD TRAPS THE SOULS OF ITS VICTIMS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuyyQLvj9LU I just really love his stupid delivery in this stupid clip in this stupid movie
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Punkin Spunkin posted:all comic book movies are bad and dumb but THIS IS KATANAAAAAAA I WOULD ADVISE NOT GETTING KILLED BY HER. HER SWORD TRAPS THE SOULS OF ITS VICTIMS. Me, an idiot: Oh so she's gonna have something to do with defeating/trapping the enchantress. Probably suck her right out along with the archeologists soul and she'll be the one the soldier guy hates at the end of this and maybe oh no the meth head soldier guy just crushed the heart thing and archeologist lady is still alive so whatever nothing matters At least Heathens is an okay song.
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Speaking of dumb scenes, Eric mentioned this one during the episode and it's laughably bad all the way through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjEzzX8Ajbw&t=4s The Vosgian Beast posted:An ideology which was apparently NOT about the quest for Lebensraum and racist ideology, but actually about how freedom is bad something something footage of Chavez and stock markets. I always forget this thread is in CD.
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JT Smiley posted:Speaking of dumb scenes, Eric mentioned this one during the episode and it's laughably bad all the way through. That's even worse than I could have imagined.
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You know, I just realized what that "Harley's Normal Life" dream sequence was actually a similar bit to a scene from the original "Mad Love" comic, which was the first appearance of Harley in a comic (after being in BtAS, of course) Except that the movie misses what made that scene work in the comic:  ...the fact that Harley would still be Harley, and that she loves the Joker because he's the Joker.
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JT Smiley posted:I always forget this thread is in CD. Could be worse. Could be DnD.
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JT Smiley posted:Speaking of dumb scenes, Eric mentioned this one during the episode and it's laughably bad all the way through. This scene owns.
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I do have to say, when it comes to the Joker as a character, it doesn't deserve much better than Leto and his performance. Ledger level comic book performances are the defining outliers as they should be. It's a character beloved by 13 year olds and Leto does that justice.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Except that the movie misses what made that scene work in the comic... the fact that Harley would still be Harley, and that she loves the Joker because he's the Joker. I think you missed what they were going for in the movie. The point is that Enchantress doesn't get it. It's why Harley's reaction to the vision is "hmm, nah, I'm good honestly;" because the movie knows this, and it's just portraying Enchantress as not knowing it.
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MariusLecter posted:Me, an idiot: Oh so she's gonna have something to do with defeating/trapping the enchantress. Probably suck her right out along with the archeologists soul and she'll be the one the soldier guy hates at the end of this and maybe oh no the meth head soldier guy just crushed the heart thing and archeologist lady is still alive so whatever nothing matters No there are no payoffs in this movie
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Dmitri-9 posted:No there are no payoffs in this movie Nothing represents this better than the fact that nothing thrown by the guy named "Captain Boomerang" ever returns to him.
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Jared Leto's joker reminds me of how the killer in a post-Scream also-ran slasher suddenly goes slapstick cuckoo when it's time for the reveal.
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When they made the Captain Planet joke I remembered that Katanna was in Geoforce, an even shittier version of The Outsiders. I haven't seen the movie so in my head Amanda Waller was badass, because she is in the comics and the cartoons. I used to know a B:TAS era Harley Quinn cosplayer who'd post long LiveJournal articles about her relationship with The Joker. I feel like the Arkham games deserve some of the blame for the movie.
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well why not posted:count me in for the new ad format being better. i actually suggested a music cue earlier in the thread, so i'm pumped to see it happen. Completely agreed. It flowed so much better and felt far less forced in. Count Chocula posted:When they made the Captain Planet joke I remembered that Katanna was in Geoforce, an even shittier version of The Outsiders. I kept thinking they were talking about Kitana and was sorely disappointed that we didn't get any weird Mortal Kombat impersonations.
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I didn't enjoy this new episode as much only because Suicide Squad sounds like criminally obnoxious. I shudder to think there's a movie released in 2016 that's worse than BvS.
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Re-listening to the Earnest episode made me curious. What's the worst movie you guys have seen the most times? As in, one you didn't like even the first time but you just ended up seeing it over and over again for whatever reason (being couchridden with a hangover and the TV's on Comedy Central and the remote's far away, for instance) For me it's probably WHM classic Jurassic Park: The Lost World. Forever taunted by that full-size Crackle bar...
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Re-listening to the Earnest episode made me curious. What's the worst movie you guys have seen the most times? As in, one you didn't like even the first time but you just ended up seeing it over and over again for whatever reason (being couchridden with a hangover and the TV's on Comedy Central and the remote's far away, for instance) Spawn. Easily.
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Space Jam was put on way too many times during the "we ain't gotta teach poo poo" periods of secondary school. It's that or the Land Before Time sequels. Basically all animated garbage.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Re-listening to the Earnest episode made me curious. What's the worst movie you guys have seen the most times? As in, one you didn't like even the first time but you just ended up seeing it over and over again for whatever reason (being couchridden with a hangover and the TV's on Comedy Central and the remote's far away, for instance) I used to sell furniture for a living, and that DVD was on eternal loop in the kid's furniture section. So every time I went through that part of the store looking for customers, I'd see whatever bit of the movie was playing at the time. Seeing it that way really does highlight how bad Jordan was at acting against things that weren't there, though.
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Evil Mastermind posted:For me, it's Space Jam...but while I've seen it God knows how many times, I've only seen in it in random two-minute segments. Or, at all
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Re-listening to the Earnest episode made me curious. What's the worst movie you guys have seen the most times? As in, one you didn't like even the first time but you just ended up seeing it over and over again for whatever reason (being couchridden with a hangover and the TV's on Comedy Central and the remote's far away, for instance) Space Jam here too. 90s kids remember teachers who have given up and checked out the copy of spacejam from the library, never to be returned. Listening to the Dreamcatcher episode again and I remembered that when they go looking for "friction tape" I thought for a long time they meant self grip first aid wrap. 
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Calaveron posted:Or, at all
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There was a Thanksgiving where I went to my parents house. They don't have Internet and reception is super spotty, so my options for entertaining myself were super limited. I think I saw Wild Wild West four times that weekend because TNT kept playing it.
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White elephant party at Christmas, traditional celebration. The gag gift I brought was a copy of Gigli. I ended up with my own copy of Gigli thanks to the way the game worked out. Lots of people have noticed it on my DVD shelf, asked why the gently caress I have a copy of Gigli, then wanted to watch it to see how bad it is. I have seen Gigli upwards of 10 times. It's loving bad. Don't watch Gigli. E: Since it was a fate I made for myself, I feel like I can't throw it away. My penance for trying to gift someone else Gigli as a joke is that I periodically have to watch it myself. it's turkey time. gobble gobble. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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DoubleCakes posted:I shudder to think there's a movie released in 2016 that's worse than BvS. Suicide Squad is worse because there are so many points where you could see how it was this close to being a much, much better movie but they just keep whiffing it over and over. B v S was always going to be an overstuffed stopgap on the way to a Justice League movie but if Suicide Squad hadn't hadn't ended with a giant light shooting into the sky like every other superhero movie or had had more or less of any one character or more competent writer or editor or less executive meddling it could have been a really fun and different superhero movie.
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Characters in Batman v Superman have actual arcs and the film feels like a continuation of Man of Steel (and hopefully the lead in from Batman v Superman in Justice League is just as good). Suicide Squad should have cut half the cast, focused on a few of them and have them be anti-heroes doing dirty business rather than save the world poo poo that's totally inappropriate for their characters.
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Honestly, I think Suicide Squad was pretty much doomed as a movie from the get-go because the original concept kind of relied on the fact that the characters had ties to the larger DCU, and as such didn't have to spend as much time setting up who Deadshot or Boomer or whoever were than in a movie where everyone is a "new" character. Plus with a monthly comic you have more time to set up everyone's personalities and establish relationships. The whole thing would probably have worked better as a streaming show than as a standalone film.
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My comparison is that Suicide Squad is a bad movie where they misfired on any interesting ideas that could've been pulled from it; however, Batman v Superman is just really loving bizarre. It's not only 4 or 5 bad movies Frankensteined together, but it has an off the rails for no real reason performance by Eisenberg, the weirdest ending to a battle I've seen, and it's completely void of any attempt at humor to lighten things up. It's easy to poo poo on Suicide Squad because it's just a bad movie, but there's fundamental issues with Batman v Superman that I don't even know where to begin with. I guess it's better than Suicide Squad because I find it so interesting on that level, but they're both awful movies.
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It's easy to trace a path of Suicide Squad being a more sober film to its release. Just watch the first trailer from the last trailer, the arc is clear as crystal. Batman v Superman at least has a vision, one that radically changes between the two cuts of the film, but it worked for me and it's an easy movie to look in-depth at because of the visuals alone. Suicide Squad just doesn't have that. The only interesting character who has any sort of growth is killed at the end and there really isn't much to grab on to because all the characters just aren't that interesting. I mean, I guess you can talk at length of how terrible the depiction of the Harley/Joker relationship is in the movie and how wrong it is, but that's about it. The comic book movie megathread is a good place to chat about all the films because you'll get some interesting discourse.
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I think Suicide Squad is a good hangover/tall glass of water movie. My wife and I both loved it, while also recognizing it is deeply flawed.
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Evil Mastermind posted:The whole thing would probably have worked better as a streaming show than as a standalone film. I haven't seen it in a while, but I'm fairly certain the 30 minute Justice League episode with the Suicide Squad did a fairly good job encapsulating the concept, with a plot that actually made sense for the Suicide Squad. It didn't have much in the way of character arcs, but it's not like I needed to know anything about Deadshot besides "guy who shoots good."
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GrandpaPants posted:I haven't seen it in a while, but I'm fairly certain the 30 minute Justice League episode with the Suicide Squad did a fairly good job encapsulating the concept, with a plot that actually made sense for the Suicide Squad. It didn't have much in the way of character arcs, but it's not like I needed to know anything about Deadshot besides "guy who shoots good."
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Evil Mastermind posted:I actually finished a re-watch of the cartoon, and yeah it did a really good job with establishing everyone. It helped that it kept everyone kind of broad-strokes and didn't try to push the characterizations any more then they had to. Wait, how can you have a character in a movie without repeated flashbacks to set up their origin, motivation and how they got into the position they are in at the start of the movie? Seriously tho, I wonder how SS would flow without any of the flashbacks.
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GrandpaPants posted:I haven't seen it in a while, but I'm fairly certain the 30 minute Justice League episode with the Suicide Squad did a fairly good job encapsulating the concept, with a plot that actually made sense for the Suicide Squad. It didn't have much in the way of character arcs, but it's not like I needed to know anything about Deadshot besides "guy who shoots good." The live action DC shows on The CW also did Suicide Squad episodes.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Honestly, I think Suicide Squad was pretty much doomed as a movie from the get-go because the original concept kind of relied on the fact that the characters had ties to the larger DCU, and as such didn't have to spend as much time setting up who Deadshot or Boomer or whoever were than in a movie where everyone is a "new" character. Plus with a monthly comic you have more time to set up everyone's personalities and establish relationships. You can still make it work, but it requires a skilled writer to strip people down to the bare minimum. If you were going with, say, Deadshot from the comics, here's the things the audience needs to know:
The issue with Suicide Squad is that it's trying to follow the source material too closely and thus feels it has to agonizingly describe every aspect of each character's backstory. Comics are able to do this because of the medium (and their serialized nature). If you're turning it into a movie, you need to boil everyone down to some kind of central desire and how they interact with the rest of the team on their way to getting that desire. I genuinely don't need to know how Harley Quinn became Harley Quinn. Gimme a line like, "I used to be a psychiatrist, until I discovered being crazy was more fun!" or some horseshit, have a few moments of tense interaction that clue us in to what kind of relationship Joker/Quinn are in, and that's all that's necessary.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Honestly, I think Suicide Squad was pretty much doomed as a movie from the get-go because the original concept kind of relied on the fact that the characters had ties to the larger DCU, and as such didn't have to spend as much time setting up who Deadshot or Boomer or whoever were than in a movie where everyone is a "new" character. Plus with a monthly comic you have more time to set up everyone's personalities and establish relationships. I think the real issues for the movie were that it apparently got written in just a few weeks, and then had meddling from all sides thrown in. Like, Enchantress is probably the biggest single element you can look at and strap the bad decisions to. But it almost feels like some sort of mandate came down that the big bad in the movie had to be a huge spectacle and tie into the team, which kind of lead to her inclusion. If you're introducing the Squad, probably the best bet would have been to drop Enchantress entirely then use the rest of the cast for some sort of heist type movie. Somewhere in a matrix between The Town, Ocean's 11, 3 Kings, and Escape From New York set in the insane world of DC. poo poo, you could even make their mission be to get the book of Iranian Secrets or something.
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