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yellowyams posted:Please explain how that leaves you unable to answer. Is history closed off from analysis once it passes? Should we get rid of history classes because there's nothing to learn from them? because i can't say what people whom i've never met, in an era that has come and gone, should or should not have done and it's kind of weird to lose my head up hypotheticals admittedly my willingness to answer these questions is also somewhat hindered by a growing lack of confidence in the ability of the posters in this thread to have an honest discussion about literally anything, for that i apologize
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AARO posted:GBS is catching on. Here's what Lowtax has to say about this: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3806778&userid=27691
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Jan 23, 2017 02:55
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:because i can't say what people whom i've never met, in an era that has come and gone, should or should not have done and it's kind of weird to lose my head up hypotheticals "i apologize you're all so immature" said the poster literally defending neo-nazis
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:because i can't say what people whom i've never met, in an era that has come and gone, should or should not have done and it's kind of weird to lose my head up hypotheticals Alright, glad that you agree that you are pretty much worthless
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Jan 23, 2017 02:56
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Hogge Wild posted:Here's what Lowtax has to say about this: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3806778&userid=27691 Jesus Christ, thanks for the common sense on this issue Lowtax.
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Jan 23, 2017 03:07
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AARO posted:Jesus Christ, thanks for the common sense on this issue Lowtax. hahaha
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Jan 23, 2017 03:08
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botany posted:hahaha I missed it. What's funny about that?
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Jan 23, 2017 03:13
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:because i can't say what people whom i've never met, in an era that has come and gone, should or should not have done and it's kind of weird to lose my head up hypotheticals You do not have to be part of history to examine it. The frustration is mutual because you seem unfamiliar with the subjects you are discussing but pass judgement regardless. This is a very personal topic for many people because it involves their lives and safety. If your life is comfortable enough right now that you don't see the urgency or danger you see others expressing then please consider that there are some who spend every day with these threats hanging over their head and they're afraid and frustrated when people who don't encounter it assume that means it doesn't exist and actively impede their attempts to escape the minefield no one will acknowledge they're in. I want you to know that I once had very similar stances to yours and felt like violence was never worth it and that sacrificing your morals for any cause no matter how great just made you a hypocrite. This changed when I tried to apply these ethics in real life and encountered a brick wall. I am not advocating violence as the answer to everything, but it is a necessary evil in certain situations and history has proved this. The system is not always fair and during those times you cannot be fair if you want to accomplish anything.
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Jan 23, 2017 03:16
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Hogge Wild posted:Here's what Lowtax has to say about this: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3806778&userid=27691 Wow, Lowtax wrong??? STOP THE PRESSES
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Jan 23, 2017 03:17
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Would you punch in the face the man who said this: "If I am ever really in power, the destruction of the Jews will be my first and most important job. As soon as I have power, I shall have gallows after gallows erected, for example, in Munich on the Marienplatz-as many of them as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged one after another, and they will stay hanging until they stink. They will stay hanging as long as hygienically possible. As soon as they are untied, then the next group will follow and that will continue until the last Jew in Munich is exterminated. Exactly the same procedure will be followed in other cities until Germany is cleansed of the last Jew!" ? if yes, why not punch in the face the person who thinks THAT GUY had some good ideas and wants to try them out again? if you're somehow conflicted, the man who said that was literally hitler
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Jan 23, 2017 03:19
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Wow, Lowtax wrong??? STOP THE PRESSES Why is he wrong?
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Wow, Lowtax wrong??? STOP THE PRESSES Answer this post. Lowtax posted:Again, nobody has been able to answer my question I've posed repeatedly. What type of violence should be acceptable? Is just punching allowed, or can we kick? Hit them with a brick? Break their legs? Put them into a coma? Hit them with a car? Murder them? Then, who determines if the victim was evil enough to justify the assault? How does a government agency regulate and objectively define where the line is regarding beliefs that should be punishable by assault?
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Rodatose posted:The whole point of nazism/fascism is that life is eternal conflict and that only a state which exercises systemic violence for its own gain can succeed. BTW this poster isn't being flowery, this is literally the raison d'etre of Nazis and hate groups. Like the actual dictionary definition of literally, not the internet usage. Like I dunno how you guys are disagreeing with this, it's not "their opinions are lovely and should be debated" it's "their opinions are simply a dogwhistle to commit violence". that's it. Period. White nationalist are worse than other hate groups because of how powerful being white is in society. So they have to constantly find new targets to victimize or else the whole self-reflection kicks in. So they'll start finding other excuses for attacking people (you may be white but you're a race mixer so down you go). You cannot reason with them because they don't use reason it's not the point. Please stop standing up for nazis it's not gonna be good times
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Jan 23, 2017 03:25
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Rodatose posted:The whole point of nazism/fascism is that life is eternal conflict and that only a state which exercises systemic violence for its own gain can succeed. Yeah. These people only respect violence. Fretting over treating them with the civility they seek to destroy is a waste of time.
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Jan 23, 2017 03:26
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AARO posted:Answer this post. are you legitimately calling for the rounding up and execution of 'undesirables' in your society? if yes, then -- under a rational system -- you should be locked away from power forever. in our system where apparently we reward the most sociopathic of our kind, i think anything short of murder is justified. i mean, a person can always reform, especially if you beat them enough.
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Jan 23, 2017 03:27
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Legality and morality aren't the same thing.Hogge Wild posted:Why is he wrong? AARO posted:Answer this post.
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Jan 23, 2017 03:27
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:
You're a fool. And you do nothing more than show yourself as such.
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Jan 23, 2017 03:28
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We must secure the forum for our people and a future for white children.
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Jan 23, 2017 03:29
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AARO posted:You're a fool. And you do nothing more than show yourself as such. One word short Dang
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Jan 23, 2017 03:30
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AARO posted:You're a fool. And you do nothing more than show yourself as such. I'm a proud fool.
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Jan 23, 2017 03:36
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AARO posted:Answer this post. Lowtax is ignoring what pretty much everyone in that thread is saying. It shouldn't be legal but it is still very good. Juries can nullify his attacker's sentence if they want because that's how juries work.
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Jan 23, 2017 03:37
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Violence against fascists is always excellent and that richard spencer punch vid was fantastic and a bright spot in an otherwise dismal Friday sorry about your delicate sensibilities~
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Jan 23, 2017 03:55
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AARO posted:Answer this post. Kill Nazis.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:03
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Does voting in favor of Trump's nominees make someone enough of a nazi to make punching them good?
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Jan 23, 2017 04:13
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Look, I just want to be able to punch people. Preferably with no consequences. If you grant me this power I promise to only punch bad people. I will be the one who determines what constitutes good and bad, but don't worry, I consider myself a good person and will only make good decisions.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:14
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Hey I just realized I would be granted this power if I became a cop, so don't worry about it. Gonna punch the poo poo out of some people!
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Not a Step posted:Look, I just want to be able to punch people. Preferably with no consequences. If you grant me this power I promise to only punch bad people. I will be the one who determines what constitutes good and bad, but don't worry, I consider myself a good person and will only make good decisions. Okay, you can start with people who call for ethnic cleansing of minorities.
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Not a Step posted:Hey I just realized I would be granted this power if I became a cop, so don't worry about it. Gonna punch the poo poo out of some people! You are a doofus
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Jan 23, 2017 04:17
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yellowyams posted:Okay, you can start with people who call for ethnic cleansing of minorities. What about people who claim some Americans are "subhuman"? Are those people Nazis?
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Trabisnikof posted:What about people who claim some Americans are "subhuman"? Are those people Nazis? If they are calling for violence towards marginalized groups so the white race can stay on top then yeah, I'd say that's pretty punch-worthy.
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Not a Step posted:Look, I just want to be able to punch people. Preferably with no consequences. If you grant me this power I promise to only punch bad people. I will be the one who determines what constitutes good and bad, but don't worry, I consider myself a good person and will only make good decisions. Don't worry my man these bad people have already done that tedious work for you. They say things like "kill all blacks" or "I am a nazi" and they organize themselves into meetings and rallies, right out there in the open. Go forth and punch fascists, friend.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:23
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Trabisnikof posted:What about people who claim some Americans are "subhuman"? Are those people Nazis? Wait, wait, you're saying only some Amerikkkans are subhuman?
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Feral Integral posted:You are a doofus Im going to be a doofus with a nightstick though, and its going to rule. Gonna arrest the poo poo out of my fifth grade science teacher, maybe give him a few punches. gently caress that guy.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:26
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Trabisnikof posted:Does voting in favor of Trump's nominees make someone enough of a nazi to make punching them good? I'm from America and I say kill 'em all!
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Jan 23, 2017 04:28
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wait a sec, guys, have we ever stopped to think that not tolerating intolerant people makes us the intolerant people?! 
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The best thing about this thread is the limpdicks trying to hint at the exact same argument spencer is trying to make right now a nazi got punched in the face???? struggle sessions and antirevolutionary purges are just around the corner!!!
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Jan 23, 2017 04:37
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Hogge Wild posted:Why is he wrong?
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Trabisnikof posted:Does voting in favor of Trump's nominees make someone enough of a nazi to make punching them good? They need to be publicly criticized and inundated by calls to their office from constituents to hold them accountable in their decisions until they can be voted out in their next election and replaced by a politician who doesn't throw so many marginalized people under the bus because that is the most effective way to handle lovely politicians, just like the most effective way to dissuade neo-nazis advocating genocide from gaining influence is to make them too scared to openly share their rhetoric in public like it's normal as we can learn from examining past approaches to hate groups. Hope that helped. 
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Hogge Wild posted:Here's what Lowtax has to say about this: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3806778&userid=27691 loving hell lowtax quote:Again, nobody has been able to answer my question I've posed repeatedly. What type of violence should be acceptable? Is just punching allowed, or can we kick? Hit them with a brick? Break their legs? Put them into a coma? Hit them with a car? Murder them? Then, who determines if the victim was evil enough to justify the assault? How does a government agency regulate and objectively define where the line is regarding beliefs that should be punishable by assault? Okay fine since apparently this is actually a serious talking point. No obv don't kill the dumbshits, but usual bar room brawl antics are perfectly acceptable. BTW I'd say the same thing about the New Black Panthers, about Al Queda or any other Actual Hate Group of your choice. Nazis are just especially bad because they have more power than other hate groups and they are more volatile than other hate groups. You do not debate hate groups. You do not debate members of hate groups. You show them that their bullshit is not okay in any way possible. Reason does not work on them because they explicitly reject reason as part of their world view. Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Jan 23, 2017 |
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