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odiv
Jan 12, 2003

No changes up north.

Unsurprising, but I hope eventually we'll see some better value.

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Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
Carrytels website look put "do you really want a Dell" in my head.

Migishu
Oct 22, 2005

I'll eat your fucking eyeballs if you're not careful

Grimey Drawer
20/10 400g grandfathered in at $10 less, which is nice, but I can get 100/20 unlimited for $15 more than what i was paying before.

Thanks Teksavvy, and all the other TPIA providers, for working hard so that we literally aren't a 3rd world country when it comes to Internet access.

Now only if the same could be said for Telephony...

JohnnyCanuck
May 28, 2004

Strong And/Or Free
Welp, we all knew it was coming!

Bell Canada raising prices on home internet, TV in February

quote:

Increases primarily affect customers in Ontario and Quebec

By Solomon Israel, CBC News Posted: Jan 18, 2017 4:31 PM ET

Some Bell Canada home TV packages will cost more beginning on Feb. 1.

Bell Canada is increasing monthly prices for a number of its residential communications services, including home TV and internet packages, beginning in February. The increases will primarily affect customers in Ontario and Quebec.

According to the Bell Canada website, the price increases are as follows:
  • $3 per month for Fibe TV service in Ontario and Quebec (excluding the starter package).
  • $3 per month for satellite TV service in all regions (excluding the starter package).
  • $5 per month for all internet access packages in Ontario and Quebec (excluding dial-up and the "high speed LD bundle").
  • $2.51 per month for home phone packages in Ontario.

Bell's "Fibe 25" home internet plan, listed as the company's most popular plan, will cost $74.95 per month for Ontario customers after the Feb. 1 increase.

'Very, very significant increase'


Bell's price increases are "a very, very significant increase on prices that are already very, very high by international standards," said Dwayne Winseck, a professor with Carleton University's School of Journalism and Communication who studies the Canadian communications industry.

Winseck said it's common for Canada's major communications players to raise prices near the beginning of the year, adding he wouldn't be surprised to see similar price hikes from other incumbents, like Rogers, soon.

In an email statement, Bell spokeswoman Caroline Audet linked the price increases to Bell's infrastructure investments.

"Bell invests more than any other communications company to deliver the best broadband networks for our customers, even as customer usage continues to grow significantly (40 per cent in the past year alone), and innovative new features and upgrades to products such as our Fibe TV app," she wrote.

"Customers were informed of the changes with their December bills."

Hike comes after competitor cuts

Bell's decision to raise rates on home internet packages comes after third-party competitor TekSavvy announced it would lower its home-service rates in response to an October ruling from the CRTC, Canada's telecommunications regulator.

That ruling decreed that incumbent providers like Bell were charging their smaller competitors too much for wholesale access to parts of their network infrastructure. The CRTC ordered them to stop doing so.

"Bell's price hikes come at the worst possible time, just as many people are trying to nurse their bank balances back to health after the holidays," Katy Anderson, a digital rights specialist with advocacy group OpenMedia, said in a news release.

Anderson called for "government action to lower prices, invest in infrastructure and open our networks to ensure more affordable providers can compete fairly."

While the CRTC has taken action on wholesale prices, Winseck said he doesn't expect the regulator to make similar moves on retail prices, like the ones Bell has raised.

"We've seen a move away from retail rate regulation for over two decades now — not just in Canada but around the world."

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Bell invests significantly now because they milked POTS DSL for way too long and are now well behind cable internet almost everywhere for speed.

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

8ender posted:

Bell invests significantly now because they milked POTS DSL for way too long and are now well behind cable internet almost everywhere for speed.

But xDSL based IPTV is making the Cable companies look like chumps, so they will retaliate by raising their rates because it's all bullshit to align with the competition. Rogers and Shaw spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to make their own new system and failed. Now they've thrown it out licensed Comcast's X1 system instead. You see it as a $4/mo "failed R&D and licensing recovery fee" on your latest bill.

Migishu
Oct 22, 2005

I'll eat your fucking eyeballs if you're not careful

Grimey Drawer
Was downloading a file last night, realized it finished stupidly quickly.

"Huh, what's going o..."



:getin:

They said it would activate around Jan 30, so I'm happy about this.

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
I was told the same by the website but the dude handling my modem swap said we could just do it right away.

Quadrupling my bandwidth for 5$ was an amazing thing as a Canadian.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.
Yeah, I've been lazy about switching away from Distributel and my 10/1.5Mbps when both Ebox and TekSavvy offer a 15/10Mbps plan for slightly more... But now I can get that plan for less. I certainly won't mind the extra upload when I'm telecommuting.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Migishu posted:

Was downloading a file last night, realized it finished stupidly quickly.

"Huh, what's going o..."



:getin:

They said it would activate around Jan 30, so I'm happy about this.

Wait, cable 120? Where are you? For me they only list 100/10 and 250/20, nothing in between.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


ToxicFrog posted:

Wait, cable 120? Where are you? For me they only list 100/10 and 250/20, nothing in between.

If i had to guess, i'd say montreal.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


:doh:

Looking at it, unlimited 100/10 would actually cost less than what I pay for 25/10 ADSL right now, once you take into account that I'd no longer be paying for the phone line as well. And 250/20 comes out about the same. I'd have to drill some holes in the wall to run the coax to the right place, but that's pretty tempting.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer
Drill, baby, drill!

Housh
Jul 9, 2001




gently caress man I would love to double my upstream.

Constellation I
Apr 3, 2005
I'm a sucker, a little fucker.
I was hoping for more of a seamless transition and better support from TekSavvy, but I guess they're too big now for all that.

Anyway, like 2 weeks ago, I put in a change request to upgrade to the 100/10 plan, fully expecting to needing to buy a new modem. 3 days pass and they immediately closed the request, stating that I had an unsupported modem and to call in. Well, no poo poo.

Their phone queues are awful, so I just did a private post on DSLReports on their support forum. It turns out the best way to do this plan upgrade is to:

1. Order the modem online through this really crappy web form
2. PICK UP the loving modem from a Canada Post outlet because TekSavvy only ships with the "Card on Pickup" option for some reason, so the mailman won't even attempt a delivery.
3. Once you receive the modem, put in a request to change the modem you have on file to the new MAC address of your new modem. This takes 3-5 business days apparently.
4. Once the modem has been registered, plug it in so you can use the internet on your existing plan
5. Finally request for the plan upgrade, this also takes 3-5 business days.

I'm only at step 2 right now. Sigh.

EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Constellation I posted:

I was hoping for more of a seamless transition and better support from TekSavvy, but I guess they're too big now for all that.

Anyway, like 2 weeks ago, I put in a change request to upgrade to the 100/10 plan, fully expecting to needing to buy a new modem. 3 days pass and they immediately closed the request, stating that I had an unsupported modem and to call in. Well, no poo poo.

Their phone queues are awful, so I just did a private post on DSLReports on their support forum. It turns out the best way to do this plan upgrade is to:

1. Order the modem online through this really crappy web form
2. PICK UP the loving modem from a Canada Post outlet because TekSavvy only ships with the "Card on Pickup" option for some reason, so the mailman won't even attempt a delivery.
3. Once you receive the modem, put in a request to change the modem you have on file to the new MAC address of your new modem. This takes 3-5 business days apparently.
4. Once the modem has been registered, plug it in so you can use the internet on your existing plan
5. Finally request for the plan upgrade, this also takes 3-5 business days.

I'm only at step 2 right now. Sigh.

Some of this is imposed on them because Rogers won't process more than one change type per 'ticket', and doesn't give any feedback on change completion. Trying to submit a modem MAC change and speed change on the same ticket is automatically closed.

The pickup thing is dumb, though, they never even tried signature required or anything, so I doubt they had some rash of thefts to deal with.

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
Steps 3 to 5 are entirely out of their hands and really, goes by quite smoothly without any input on your end besides physically swapping a modem.

When I did it last week their service could not have been any more sweet. I used their callback waiting line, an account specialist called me back and hooked me up with free shipping, a chunk of change cut off the cost of the modem, walked me through what all the steps were going to be, helped me clear up line issues that he noticed I was having while we were chatting on the phone, he had a colleague keep an eye on his voice mail messages so that I'd be taken care of as soon as the modem swap initiated over the weekend, I mean I could go on.

I'm glad I don't live in the alternate universe where all of this thread's TSI Customers live.

Constellation I
Apr 3, 2005
I'm a sucker, a little fucker.
Steps 3 to 5 are fine by me since most of that is on them dealing with Rogers. As for their service, I was on hold for about 30 minutes and I just gave up. I just put it on speaker and browsed SA, so not too big of a deal there. I did decide to use their callback service and did not get a call back, so I went over to DSLReports instead. I wish I got the service you got because waived shipping and a modem discount would've been super awesome.

Do you know how long the modem swap took? I haven't put in the request yet online just in case, since I'll need to work from home tomorrow and Saturday and didn't want to risk an outage. I'm fine for any other day after though.

I'll probably put in the request on Saturday, then wait until my internet doesn't work anymore in the coming days and see it as a sign to swap the modem.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
When I went through this with Start.ca and a new CDA3 they shipped it direct to my house and then through some sort of tracking magic called me when I'd received the modem and told me they were activating it and to hold tight for another call, then when it was activated they called me again and told me to plug it in and then verified I had internet. They also called me back a few days later to make sure I was happy.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

8ender posted:

When I went through this with Start.ca and a new CDA3 they shipped it direct to my house and then through some sort of tracking magic called me when I'd received the modem and told me they were activating it and to hold tight for another call, then when it was activated they called me again and told me to plug it in and then verified I had internet. They also called me back a few days later to make sure I was happy.

I had the same experience with Start.ca as I just went now through this with the newer Hitron modem. The shipping company they used has some quite bad reviews on google, but they were very prompt with my delivery, I have no complains at all. I just wish they'll get 250Mbps package soon...

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.

Constellation I posted:

Steps 3 to 5 are fine by me since most of that is on them dealing with Rogers. As for their service, I was on hold for about 30 minutes and I just gave up. I just put it on speaker and browsed SA, so not too big of a deal there. I did decide to use their callback service and did not get a call back, so I went over to DSLReports instead. I wish I got the service you got because waived shipping and a modem discount would've been super awesome.

Do you know how long the modem swap took? I haven't put in the request yet online just in case, since I'll need to work from home tomorrow and Saturday and didn't want to risk an outage. I'm fine for any other day after though.

I'll probably put in the request on Saturday, then wait until my internet doesn't work anymore in the coming days and see it as a sign to swap the modem.

The modem shipped overnight and I called as soon as I got it home, it took about 24 hours for my service to cut out, I swapped the modem and it was about 30 hours after that for the service to upgrade. Not as fast as these Start.ca dudes to be sure but w/e, I'm not going to judge an ISP on installation.

I guess all I can suggest to be helpful is try calling and asking to be assigned an account manager/specialist? I don't know why I was automatically bypassed over regular CSRs (long term customer is my best guess, this account is almost 10 years old) but it's worth a shot to ask. If you get one, anytime you call in you're automatically forwarded to that person's desk. No lines or CSRs ever.

Constellation I
Apr 3, 2005
I'm a sucker, a little fucker.
Hmm, looks like yours was specifically handled as one request by TekSavvy. (Not to Rogers, but internally) I was essentially told to do everything in steps and to put in separate requests for each step online. Rogers is still the bottleneck so we'll see how it goes.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:
Canadian Internet Access: Rogers is Still the Bottleneck

Migishu
Oct 22, 2005

I'll eat your fucking eyeballs if you're not careful

Grimey Drawer
Canadian Internet Access: We finally have second world Internet

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.

Migishu posted:

Canadian Internet Access: We finally have second world Internet

Whoa let's not go crazy here

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Zigmidge posted:

Whoa let's not go crazy here

Canadian Internet Access: Finally, better than what you get on a cruise ship

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Migishu posted:

Canadian Internet Access: We finally have second world Internet*



*not available outside major metropolitan markets

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:
* not available outside condos made in the last three years.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Nah, it's Rogers gigabit. Just plain old coax

EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

infernal machines posted:



*not available outside major metropolitan markets

Mister Macys posted:

* not available outside condos made in the last three years.

My building (near Yonge and Finch) was built in the mid-60's and Bell is currently wiring it up for fibre to the suite, all at their own expense. The pulls into the phone room are done, and we are working towards doing the runs up to each unit. Hopefully, in less than 6 months or so it'll all be lit up and ready to go. Bell has a big, big push on right now to get fibre deployed, because there is no other way for them to match what Rogers can offer. If you are in a condo anywhere in Toronto, tell your condo board they should be talking to Bell to see what is possible.

EoRaptor fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jan 27, 2017

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
And then use one of their resellers because gently caress bell

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

EoRaptor posted:

My building (near Yonge and Finch) was built in the mid-60's and Bell is currently wiring it up for fibre to the suite, all at their own expense. The pulls into the phone room are done, and we are working towards doing the runs up to each unit. Hopefully, in less than 6 months or so it'll all be lit up and ready to go. Bell has a big, big push on right now to get fibre deployed, because there is no other way for them to match what Rogers can offer. If you are in a condo anywhere in Toronto, tell your condo board they should be talking to Bell to see what is possible.

Heh, Telus has been in my building in Edmonton like 4 times selling their fiber connection or something. Maybe it was 100Mb instead, don't remember, except the building doesn't support it. Found that out when a service guy who knew what he was doing came out and looked at the wiring, as opposed to the first tech who came, left for the building's telecoms room, then "went to the nearby hub" and then I never heard from him again.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

I'm not sure I get the situation in our building (or maybe I don't get how the cable Internet industry works as well as I thought). I have TekSavvy, who resells from Rogers, yes? But we have Bell coming into our building to do some kind of work or upgrade. So Bell is maintaining the lines or upgrading the lines but Rogers can sell its service through those lines and TekSavvy can resell through Rogers?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
??

Are you on actual fibre or is it still docsis and vdsl?

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

Lobok posted:

I'm not sure I get the situation in our building (or maybe I don't get how the cable Internet industry works as well as I thought). I have TekSavvy, who resells from Rogers, yes? But we have Bell coming into our building to do some kind of work or upgrade. So Bell is maintaining the lines or upgrading the lines but Rogers can sell its service through those lines and TekSavvy can resell through Rogers?

Both Rogers (for cable) and Bell (for phone/DSL and maaaaaaybe fiber) probably have lines running into your building and resellers can pick whichever one they want to work with.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Docsis.

Dallan Invictus posted:

Both Rogers (for cable) and Bell (for phone/DSL and maaaaaaybe fiber) probably have lines running into your building and resellers can pick whichever one they want to work with.

That all makes sense but the notice we got from the property management mentioned only cable and cable outlets. Admittedly our building notices are always written by someone who doesn't have the best command of English but I would think here they're just using whatever terms and phrases were supplied by Bell.

EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Lobok posted:

Docsis.


That all makes sense but the notice we got from the property management mentioned only cable and cable outlets. Admittedly our building notices are always written by someone who doesn't have the best command of English but I would think here they're just using whatever terms and phrases were supplied by Bell.

Bell doesn't do co-ax cabling at all, so I'd guess somebody is confused. It might be that Bell is putting in fibre, and the easiest way into the suite is via the conduits that are currently used to run co-ax cable for tv/rogers. That wouldn't change the cable outlets or anything, just add a new one next to it.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
I'm tempted to get the thread title changed but I think it's still valid. At the time I posted it I was paying $21 / month (after referral discounts) to Teksavvy for the fastest tier DSL Bell offered. :(

Sheeple
Nov 1, 2011
Did anyone jump on the Fido 60/10 unlimited for 60$? Made the switch from teksavvy since our package didn't change much and I didn't want to pay for a new modem.

Consistently getting 80-90 down so far. Hopefully it stays that way with no price shenanigans. There's no contract which works both ways I suppose, I can cancel whenever but they could also mess with the price.

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EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Sheeple posted:

Did anyone jump on the Fido 60/10 unlimited for 60$? Made the switch from teksavvy since our package didn't change much and I didn't want to pay for a new modem.

Consistently getting 80-90 down so far. Hopefully it stays that way with no price shenanigans. There's no contract which works both ways I suppose, I can cancel whenever but they could also mess with the price.

My issue with the Fido deal/price is that it clearly shows Rogers was sandbagging the CRTC on basic costs, to try to lock out competitive pricing and pad their own margins. It took years of loving around and millions of dollars to just get through all the lies, and there is no consequence for them. They simply cut their prices and use the Fido brand as a 'fake' discount provider.

I'm choosing to stick with Teksavvy, even though it's a bit more expensive, simply because I can't fund such a company (TPIA costs not withstanding). Of course, I'm also about to make myself a massive hypocrite, because Bell is currently wiring my building for fibre to the suite, and the moment that goes live I'm jumping over. :/ Hopefully, TPIA fibre access doesn't drag on for years.

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