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Ralith posted:How do we not know who screwed up the settings? Who was awake? Master-at-Arms Jim Hamill was the commanding officer at the time the changes were made. He's the most senior member of the military police. The sensors were damaged beyond the ability to repair them during the watch of Quartermaster Jane Bean.
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Feb 6, 2017 03:49
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Can we do A + H? If the course correction is wrong, it's still cheapest to get it further out. Can we crash wake the 2nd navigator instead of the top navigator for an immediate gut check as well? S for the doctor. His story checks out, this sounds exactly like what I deal with at work 
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Feb 6, 2017 04:31
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LLSix posted:Master-at-Arms Jim Hamill was the commanding officer at the time the changes were made. He's the most senior member of the military police.
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Feb 6, 2017 06:27
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Do we have an ETA to arrival in system? How are we gonna slow this massive bitch of a spaceship down?
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Feb 6, 2017 06:35
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Blasphemaster posted:Do we have an ETA to arrival in system? How are we gonna slow this massive bitch of a spaceship down? It'd be hilarious if we lost all of our reaction mass and the human race was stuck on a ship hurtling out of control at 0.5c for the rest of eternity. Or the rest of humanity back on earth solved it's problems, invented FTL travel and by the time we arrive there's a flourishing civilization that's left us culturally trapped 1000 years in the past and we've wasted our lives on this backwards ship.
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Feb 6, 2017 13:08
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Outrail posted:It'd be hilarious if we lost all of our reaction mass and the human race was stuck on a ship hurtling out of control at 0.5c for the rest of eternity. That's what happened in the Elite universe, and there are still generation ships slowly hurtling through the black. All contact with them is forbidden because the governments in power are concerned of the mental trauma that would be suffered by the crew and populace of such ships when they find out about frameshift drive (FTL) tech, so they're just left on their own to head toward their destinations. Also, plan AJ_Impy+Rockopolis.
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Feb 6, 2017 20:18
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1H - this is why we have the ability to wake people up, let's use it 2S - as crazy as the Doctor is (not that we know that in-character), he did exactly the right thing in this situation. Relieve him of watch-standing responsibility while we are awake - a temporary relief - so he can concentrate on maybe finding a way to fix our eyes and checking on the pods. We're here now, we can stand watches. Also agreeing with Rockopolis' amendment.
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Feb 6, 2017 20:41
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Hexenritter posted:That's what happened in the Elite universe, and there are still generation ships slowly hurtling through the black. All contact with them is forbidden because the governments in power are concerned of the mental trauma that would be suffered by the crew and populace of such ships when they find out about frameshift drive (FTL) tech, so they're just left on their own to head toward their destinations. I'd like to think that people in those ships would be made aware of that slim possibility, and if better tech is discovered they'll be picked up. Whats this Elite universe? Game or books or..? Or we're really sealed in an underground bunker/spaceship as a psychology experiment a la Ascension.
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Feb 6, 2017 22:16
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Outrail posted:I'd like to think that people in those ships would be made aware of that slim possibility, and if better tech is discovered they'll be picked up. Game. The original space trading/combat game from 1984, with two sequels in the early 90s and a more recent mmorpg version.
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Feb 6, 2017 22:18
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Outrail posted:I'd like to think that people in those ships would be made aware of that slim possibility, and if better tech is discovered they'll be picked up. Oh you bastard, I hadn't got round to finishing that yet I should have clarified, yeah, what AJ said. David Braben/Ian Bell's Elite vidyagame universe
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Feb 6, 2017 22:21
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You announce your findings regarding the recent impacts. "Doctor Moreau performed his duties exactly as expected. The court finds no fault with him. This concludes the investigation into the damage suffered by the Herald of Humanity during Doctor Moreau's command." You continue: "However, I don't see any need for you to continue standing watches Doctor Moreau. You have more than enough work to do checking over the cold sleep beds. Yurika and I will rotate watches on and off until the other officers are woken. Yurika, please make sure the anti-collision software has been configured to use all our sensors and then get some sleep. Your next watch is in 8 hours. Helmsman, you're with me. I want you to execute half your planned course change. That should limit the amount we drift by while Navigator is waking up." *** 6 days later the chief navigator of the Herald reports to you in the captain's ready room. "Lieutenant Commander." He salutes. "Good to see you again. It's been awhile. I've looked over the recent course changes. Lal did a good job canceling out our lateral momentum, but I'm still concerned. We had to change course more often than planned during the voyage, and we lost most of our remaining reserves in the recent collision. It's hard to tell exact where the planets are in their orbits through the relativistic distortions, but the alignment doesn't look good. To start with, our destination is on this side of our new sun. That means we're going to have to break harder and sooner than I would prefer. In fact, I would like to start the deceleration burn today at 1.6gs. I'll definitely need to up that as we get closer but I prefer to slow down enough to get better readings before using more reaction mass." 1) Do you let Lal get all the credit for the course correction? A. Yes B. No, I tell him he had help from Chief Engineer Yurika C. No, I tell him I cut the course correction in half. D. I tell him both Chief Engineer Yurika and I helped Lal write in 2) Do you approve Navigator Dana Anders plan? H. Yes I. Start at 1.8g, you want clearer readings sooner J. Start at 2g, you want clearer readings as soon as possible. write in The schedule calls for waking up all of the crew in a little over a week so that they're all awake when you enter the new solar system. You have plenty of supplies to wake them early if you want. 3) Do you wake them up on schedule? M. I start waking them up now. N. I wake them up on schedule. O. I tell the doctor to start examining the crew cold sleep beds now and wait until they're all checked out before waking them. P. O, but I want to consider the situation after the crew beds are checked before waking anyone. Q. I decide not to wake the rest of the crew and give no reason for not doing so. write in LLSix fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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Feb 6, 2017 22:39
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1D, credit where it's due. Also, Lal's wavering confidence under pressure needs to be addressed. 2H, senior navigator knows best and is senior navigator for a reason. Doesn't mean we can't double check the mathematics behind the decision for our own peace of mind, however., 3O, checking their beds before starting the wake cycle is prudent.
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Feb 6, 2017 22:46
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Hexenritter posted:1D, credit where it's due. Also, Lal's wavering confidence under pressure needs to be addressed. This makes sense. Also acknowledge that admitting his doubts was the right thing to do. Speaking up avoids workplace trouble etc.
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Feb 6, 2017 22:51
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AHO, no need to drag out that particular part of the conversation and the role of navigator will be very irrelevant very soon one way or the other. We follow the advice of the specialist. We make sure the potentially damaged stuff is in order.
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Feb 6, 2017 22:54
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1D - the navigator needs to know the score, he can decide how well Lal did on his own. 2I - the faster we get readings, the more likely we'll still have reaction mass for any further corrections. 3O - we don't want to try waking up anyone with a faulty cryo bed. Also, it's prudent to let them sleep a little longer; if we're further off course than we think, we might have longer to go before planetfall - and that means more time to use up supplies. No need to increase the number of mouths to feed before we're scheduled to. EDIT: Also agreeing with Outrail that Lal's willingness to admit he needed a backstop was correct. The kid did well.
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Feb 6, 2017 22:54
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Outrail posted:This makes sense. Agreed. I'm not saying we tear stripes off him publicly for wavering, rather we (or the senior nav) takes him aside and gives him a little talk. Let him know he did the right thing by voicing his doubts, that we get his job is difficult, etc.
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Feb 6, 2017 22:56
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Productive activity is mediated through the mechanism of market exchange, so production ceases when profit fails to be realized. - CEO Nweismuller Meyerson, The City of Gold It feels odd to have gravity on the bridge again after all this time. All 8 of the Herald's main thrusters were activated without incident and you are looking forward to your first 16 contiguous hours off watch since being woken from cold sleep. You watch the readouts for a few more minutes to make sure everything is continuing to go well. You're just about to turn over the watch to Navigator Dana Anders when the doctor runs onto the bridge.  "My baby!" He shouts. "Someone damaged one of my babies. My cold sleep beds. I designed and built them myself..." You know that the doctor did not build the cold sleep beds, although he did help design them. You put that matter aside for the moment and listen to the rest of what he is shouting. "... and now one of them has been damaged. The beds have lasted thousands of years without major malfunction but now one of them has failed." He wails. "Which one." You ask. "Bed 111." "Who is in it." You ask with at least the appearance of patience. "Captain Hardrock, but that's not what is important. You don't understand. My design could not possibly have failed on its own. Someone damaged my creation. On purpose! Probably because they are jealous of my brilliance. Lieutenant Commander, you have to find the culprit and punish him. The vandal cannot be allowed to damage another of my cold sleep beds." The news hits Yurika and Dana like a punch to the gut. They both gasp and horror clouds their expressions. "Is the captain okay?" "Of course not, you fools." Doctor Moreau snaps. "The cold sleep bed is at room temperature and has been for years. He's as dead as everyone we knew back on Earth. Stinking up my brilliant cold sleep bed. The bed that someone damaged! Lieutenant Commander, you must find the culprit." You know that the captain had the 5th watch and the logs from that time indicate he was alive when he went into cold sleep at the end of his watch. Given the doctor's reaction it probably wasn't him, but everyone in the 6th-10th watches is a potential suspect. The watch commanders were, in order, Quartermaster Jane Bean (6), Master-at-Arms Jim Hamill (7), yourself (8), Chaplain Freya Silvstedt (9) and Doctor Moreau (10). The person with the most to gain by killing the captain is his executive officer/second in command, but he couldn't have done it since was in cold sleep at the time. You have the second most to gain, especially if the executive officer turns up dead too. Now, you know that you didn't do it, but it might be a good idea to have someone else investigate. Of course, everyone else trained in investigating crimes reports to Master-at-Arms Jim Hamill, who is also a suspect. So they can't be trusted either. Good times. 1) Do you want to wake up your only remaining commanding officer, Commander Ernest Oldcastle, before investigating further? A. Yes, Gentle wake B. A + the parts of the crew that aren't potential suspects as their cold sleep beds are inspected C. A + the rest of the crew too as their cold sleep beds are inspected D. Yes, Crash wake E. No F. No, and stop all crew wake ups until the investigation is complete write in 2) Do you want to seal off the room with the captain's cold sleep bed? J. Yes, I have Chief Engineer Yurika seal the room the Captain's section is cold sleeping in with a passcode known only to her. She will be present anytime someone inspects the crime scene K. Yes, I station two crew members at the door at all times. They will be present anytime someone inspects the crime scene. Because of your training as a detective, you know that all the crew are suspects so while having two of them stand guard reduces the risk of tampering it doesn't eliminate it. L. No write in 3) How do you want to proceed with the investigation? vote for as many items as you want, anything that isn't mutually contradictory will be done O. I will lead the investigation P. Chief Engineer Yurika will lead the investigation. She isn't a trained investigator but at least she isn't a suspect. Q. Military Police Lieutenant Xander, the ranking Military Police officer currently awake, will lead the investigation R. I order a fast check of all the other cold sleep beds and pods to see if any others failed S. I check the captain's cold sleep bed for finger prints. There are probably a lot. T. I politely question all the suspects as they wake (this will mean waking them up even if F above wins) U. T, but I brusquely interrogate them V. T, but I torture them until someone confesses! This is thoroughly illegal W. I personally check all the logs from the last 50 years X. W but with help from Yurika and Dana Y. I have the crew check all the logs from the last 50 years. Because of your training as a detective, you know that all the crew are suspects so having them check evidence is not safe. write in
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Feb 7, 2017 20:29
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A This warrants the attention of the next one up the chain of command.. JK: Yurika seals the room AND we station a 2-person guard. OQP: Yurika, Xander and Myself form a triumvirate in charge of the investigation. We can't _all_ be guilty, this safeguards us from whoever did it being in charge. RSTX
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Feb 7, 2017 21:42
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Immediately execute everyone on the list just to be sure, then space ourselves. Its the only way to be sure.
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Feb 8, 2017 00:41
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I bet it was a malfunction due to a design flaw. We should see other failures if that's the case, though.AJ_Impy posted:A This warrants the attention of the next one up the chain of command.. This excellent vote
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Feb 8, 2017 00:47
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AJ_Impy posted:A This warrants the attention of the next one up the chain of command.. This sounds smart Also make sure the engineer inspecting the pod is also looking for simple malfunction. Demanding a machine to work perfectly for a thousand years is a pretty big ask. Question: is the ship shoeing signs of general use for hundreds of years straight. Are supplies of random stuff like lightbulbs and handrails and boots keeping up? We should take this opportunity to inspect all supply stores, if someone sabotaged the captain they may have sabotaged something else as well. Then throw the doctor our of an airlock
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Feb 8, 2017 01:11
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Outrail posted:This sounds smart The Herald already encountered and overcame many dangers to get this far. Some of those dangers were only overcome at the expense of supplies. This was expected and accounted for, but now supplies of many things are running critically low. According to plan. The shipboard manifest was a careful balancing act where every kilogram available for the trip meant one less kilogram available after landing because the Herald cannot land. Only the equipment packed and braced to withstand the high g forces of landing will be brought down to the planet, so most supplies should be running low or empty at this point. Your guess about lightbulbs is a good one. There are no spare lightbulbs. With most of the ship weightless, the crew has mostly been wearing soft-soled booties for warmth more than cushioning. There are several of those left along with a few spare pairs of uniform shoes. Packed in the colonization pods is a pair of boots for every member of the crew to wear after landing. Medical supplies are almost completely exhausted, but again, you know that the colonization pod manifests includes several years worth of medicines and vitamins for every colonist and crew member. There are a large number of spare uniforms; as there was less wear and tear on them than expected. There is a large surplus of food. The hydroponics bay is large enough to feed every member of the crew and Captain Hardrock left orders for the full capacity to be used throughout the long voyage. You do not need to worry about running low on food. The water reclaimers and recyclers are still working well and you even have spares available. You have plenty of water and would not run out for hundreds of years if the rest of the ship could last that long. You had enough patch kits in storage to replace those used, but that was all. There are no more spare patches in storage. Once the kits placed strategically through the ship are used up, that's it. You'll have to start plugging leaks with space suits or disassembled doors. LLSix fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Feb 8, 2017 02:42
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Or doctors.
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Feb 8, 2017 03:28
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Yeah yeah getting on the AJ_Impy 
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Feb 8, 2017 05:46
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Blasphemaster posted:Yeah yeah getting on the AJ_Impy Can't find anything I disagree with.
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Blasphemaster posted:Yeah yeah getting on the AJ_Impy Same, save me a sest
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Feb 8, 2017 13:47
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AJ_Impy posted:A This warrants the attention of the next one up the chain of command.. Also, Dr. Murder isn't absolved of guilt by sociopath crocodile tears.
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The creepy thing about battle is you always feel alone. -Commander Ernest Oldcastle, Memoirs of a Soldier "Navigator Anders, please assist Doctor Moreau with waking the Commander, gently, we can't risk the damage a crash wake would cause. He needs to be informed he is in command as soon as he wakes." You activate the intercom. Yurika answers groggily and you order her to seal off the Captains room. Additionally you summon Military Police Lieutenant Xander. "Xander, the captain is dead and Doctor Moreau suspects sabotage. I'm sealing the room until the Commander can wake and take command. I want two men guarding the door day and night. We don't have enough MPs so each shift will be one sailor and one MP. Pick the sailors and report back to me once you've set it up. I don't want to touch any of the evidence yet since I'm necessarily a suspect, but I think it'll be alright if we start interviewing people. Gently mind you. Ask Chief Engineer Yurika to join us as soon as she can and set up full recording equipment in... I guess we'll use one of the rec rooms. That should help put people at ease. I don't really think anyone would hurt the captain, but the more evidence we can present the Commander when he wakes the sooner we can clear this up." Your interviews don't turn up any evidence of wrong doing. Everyone respected the captain and many are shocked to learn that he's dead. Most of them tell you they don't think the Doctor could have possibly killed the captain. So much consistent testimony is persuasive, but you know from your detective and leadership training that after serving under someone for over a hundred years, the Doctor's crew section is likely to be loyal enough to try to protect him. The checks on the cold sleep beds prove to be a great idea. 10 more crew beds are at room temperature. All belonged to members of the military police. You left Earth with a crew of 298, 30 of which were MPs. You've now lost a third of your police contingent and you haven't even landed yet. You have Yurika seal the doors to those rooms too. You post more another set of guards at the second affected room, but don't have enough crew members to post guards at any of the remaining rooms. As it is, you don't have enough crew members to continue checking over the colonist cold sleep pods or examine the spare cold sleep beds before your new captain woke. ***  When Commander, now Captain, Ernest Oldcastle wakes up 5 days later he tells you: "You did a good job. I'm sorry, but I'm sure you understand why you can't be involved in the investigation any further. I'll lead the investigation for now and you'll continue to manage the day to day running of the Herald. Keep me off the watch rotations, we'll re-evaluate after I confirm that this was a simple malfunction. Doctor Moreau is a brilliant man, but a bit excitable if you ask me." *** The next time you see Commander Ernest Oldcastle he is much less convivial. He brusquely informs you that it was sabotage, but he does not yet know who is responsible. Later, in the cafeteria, you overhear one of the sailors posted at the door telling his friend that the Commander and Military Police Lieutenant Xander found a partial print near the part of the cold sleep bed that, he makes air-qoute gestures, "failed." That's how they know it was sabotage. As is your duty, you gently but firmly remind the sailor that he's not supposed to discuss an ongoing investigation, even if he happened to see or overhear part of that investigation. As best you can tell, Commander Oldcastle spends the next several days going over all the failed cold sleep beds with a fine tooth comb and reviewing all the evidence you've gathered. Yurika tells you that she offered to review the logs to see if she could tell when exactly the beds failed but that Commander Oldcastle declined her help. "I don't think he trusts any of us completely. He asked me who else I would recommend to assist him from my department and then had Doctor Moreau expedite waking up all the engineers I didn't name." *** 9 days later the Commander, now Captain, instructs you to convert the largest recreation room into a conference room. When you report that you are done, he summons all the department heads, including you, for a meeting there. He is the last to arrive and hurriedly says "at ease" as he enters before anyone can rise or salute. He sits down heavily and sighs. "As most of you know, Captain Hardrock and 10 other members of the crew were murdered sometime in the last 50 years when someone sabotaged their cold sleep beds. What most of you do not know is that the diagnostic logs were complete completely wiped. That combined with the unique environment of a malfunctioning cold sleep bed and the possibility that the culprit either heated or cooled the internal environment in the interval means that we can't be sure exactly when the captain or any of the others was murdered." He let his gaze rest for a few seconds on each of you in turn. Letting the news sink in and studying your reactions. "Additionally, 2 full colonization pods full of cold sleep pods were disabled and recorded good status signals sent to the bridge. 10,000 men and women murdered in their sleep. Someone killed a seventh of the human race and I want to know who. We probably wouldn't even have known until after landing if the Lieutenant Commander hadn't suggested checking all of the cold sleep pods" "Fortunately, we found a fingerprint inside the sabotaged section of the cold sleep bed. Unfortunately, it's only a partial print and we haven't been able to match it with any of the crew. Master-at-Arms Jim Hamill suggested that might just because we didn't get enough of a print, but I do not want to believe any member of the crew could have committed this horrible crime. Not when there are 70,000 other possible suspects." Shocked murmurs run through the room. "Starting tomorrow we will begin waking and fingerprinting all of our passengers. The last gravity they felt was 1g back on Earth, so we will be reducing our acceleration to 1g until they get their feet under them. Yes, Dana, that will make it difficult to slow down enough. So immediately after this meeting all non-essential crew will get into their acceleration couches for the next 12 hours while you perform the highest safe deceleration you can."  "That's still going to play merry hob with our flight path, sir. If we have to stick to such a slow burn I'm not sure I can get us into orbit."  "I'll let you apply the brakes harder once we find the culprit. In any case, you'll be able to get us near the planet, right?"  "Yes sir, but we'll be going so fast we may not be able to launch all the colonization pods safely. Or together." "We can afford to lose a couple of colonization pods since we have fewer colonists now. Make it work; Navigator. I don't want to hear any more excuses for why you can't help me catch Captain Hardrock's killer. You've got 12 hours. Make them count." "Now, on to the remaining objections. Yurika, I know we have spare water recylers and reclaimers. Set them up in one of the cold sleep rooms. The crew can hot bunk. Quartermaster Bean, everyone, including the passengers, are on 3/4 rations as of now. We'll use the food stores intended for our murdered colonists to feed all of us. We've got at worst..." Commander Oldcastle looks at Navigator Anders meaningfully. "About 9 weeks if we want to be able to enter orbit. At this rate, 6, maybe 7 weeks." "Fine, that should work out just fine. In case it doesn't, what can you grow out of the colonist seed stocks in 6 weeks, Botanist Jennifer Skye?" The chief botanist replied: "All kinds of things. Carrots, Turnips, spinach, lettuce will all grow in that time period. Can I use the cold sleep pods as hydroponic trays?" "That's an excellent idea. You can use the pods that belonged to the dead colonists. Yurika, help her make the modifications. Focus on growing anything leafy and green. It'll help recycle oxygen. Doctor Moreau, I know you'd like to help as well, but I need your assistance in waking up all the passengers and fingerprinting them until we find our murderer." A nervous laugh runs around the room. Everyone know how devoted Moreau is to the cold sleep beds and pods. "Very well, if there are no further objections, strap yourselves in and prepare for one hell of a ride." 1) Do you have any objections to write in AJ_Impy posted:"Is it wise to risk the other six-sevenths of the human race over this? 'Just sort it out' is not a good plan for an orbital insertion upon which literally every human life depends." The colonist cold sleep pods are stacked 15 high, head to feet. They were never intended to be opened before landing and the engines/landing struts of the landers are pointed in towards the body of the ship to protect them so they're at a really weird angle where they have to reach sideways out of the pod and grab hold of a utility ladder then swing around to climb down. Oldcastle is right about there probably being a lot of injuries to the passengers if you try to wake them at high gs, it's going to be plenty difficult under normal gravity. In order to get the passengers into the pods, you first had to let the passengers board and then spin the ship along her axis so that gravity was in the right direction. Doing that here doesn't help since you'll still have the force of the main engines going perpendicular to the cold sleep pod alignments. For a visualization, imagine the colonist cold sleep pods are basically stacked up like tv dinners in a freezer, long side going up and down, with just barely enough space between them for the colonists to wriggle out. AJ_Impy posted:"The murderer is not going to get away unless we scatter humanity across the planet to give them that opportunity. Get everyone down together according to plan and we can keep everyone corralled until this one killer is found without risking our species." Hot Dog Day 80 posted:The Captain wouldn't have wanted this sir, he once told me "Better that many bad men survive then that a few good souls should slowly wither and decay in a disastrously small gene pool." We should wake up enough people to keep watch over the other colonization pods and other vulnerable areas of the ship while we investigate and safely get to our new home. Your plan is needlessly reckless and endangers the mission which is keeping humanity alive. "The killer has snuck past the watchful eyes of the crew not once, but several times already. Once the passengers are awake he will at least not be able to kill them thousands at a time. There are risks either way. There's no telling what Hardrock would have done in this situation, because he's dead. I wish to God he wasn't and we could trust him to find the killer. He's not here though. I am. I am the captain. You'll have to trust me to do what's best. I'm all you've got. I'll not tolerate any more of your back talk, Lieutenant Commander." He stresses your rank, emphasing that his is higher. "One more word on this topic and I'll have you removed." 2) Do you follow orders? A. Nope, I keep arguing with my superior officer B. Sort-of. I storm out of the conference room. C. Yes, I do not continue arguing about the flight plan I was tempted to keep going, but I didn't want to create too big a wall of words. LLSix fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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"Is it wise to risk the other six-sevenths of the human race over this? 'Just sort it out' is not a good plan for an orbital insertion upon which literally every human life depends."
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LLSix posted:I am tempted to keep going, but I don't want to create too big a wall of words. I don't think you'd have found any complaints. AJ_Impy posted:"Is it wise to risk the other six-sevenths of the human race over this? 'Just sort it out' is not a good plan for an orbital insertion upon which literally every human life depends." Yeah I have to agree here. "We can afford to lose a few now we've lost some" is not a valid argument where the survival of the species and the potential stagnancy of the gene pool of said species are at stake.
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Volmarias posted:Also, Dr. Murder isn't absolved of guilt by sociopath crocodile tears. For the record, Dr. Murder is actually the person I suspect the least - because while I have no doubt that he'd kill a dude without remorse, he'd never do it by damaging the cryo beds. Dude's got a messiah complex, but that demands that he have people to save.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:For the record, Dr. Murder is actually the person I suspect the least - because while I have no doubt that he'd kill a dude without remorse, he'd never do it by damaging the cryo beds. Dude's got a messiah complex, but that demands that he have people to save. Yeah, I strongly feel it was not Dr.
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Hexenritter posted:Yeah I have to agree here. "We can afford to lose a few now we've lost some" is not a valid argument where the survival of the species and the potential stagnancy of the gene pool of said species are at stake. A little over half the colonization pods contain only supplies, heavy machinery, and even a few auto-fabricators. Oldcastle probably means you can afford to lose some of those pods. AJ_Impy posted:"Is it wise to risk the other six-sevenths of the human race over this? 'Just sort it out' is not a good plan for an orbital insertion upon which literally every human life depends." The colonist cold sleep pods are stacked 15 high, head to feet. They were never intended to be opened before landing and the engines/landing struts of the landers are pointed in towards the body of the ship to protect them so they're at a really weird angle where they have to reach sideways out of the pod and grab hold of a utility ladder then swing around to climb down. Oldcastle is right about there probably being a lot of injuries to the passengers if you try to wake them at high gs, it's going to be plenty difficult under normal gravity. In order to get the passengers into the pods, you first had to let the passengers board and then spin the ship along her axis so that gravity was in the right direction. Doing that here doesn't help since you'll still have the force of the main engines going perpendicular to the cold sleep pod alignments. For a visualization, imagine the colonist cold sleep pods are basically stacked up like tv dinners in a freezer, long side going up and down, with just barely enough space between them for the colonists to wriggle out.
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"The murderer is not going to get away unless we scatter humanity across the planet to give them that opportunity. Get everyone down together according to plan and we can keep everyone corralled until this one killer is found without risking our species."
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LLSix posted:"Very well, your objections and your lack of interest in finding the killer of our dear captain are noted." Vote to refer to this guy as Captain Hyperbole to the rest of the crew behind his back.
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