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Twerk from Home posted:Do you have any details? This is a pretty big deal if so, even though those CPUs themselves were super cheap they were integrated into some pretty drat expensive complete systems. I was thinking about a Denverton 8 core NAS whenever those roll around, but this is pretty alarming. http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specification-updates/atom-c2000-family-spec-update.pdf Page 34. AVR54 It starting making the rounds as a Cisco failure; but it was then revealed that the failing component in those Cisco systems was the Atom C2000 series processors. Then Intel released that document. Doesnt look pretty. quote:AVR54. System May Experience Inability to Boot or May Cease Operation
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Walked posted:Anyone keeping track of this fun clock issue that's making the rounds? gently caress. I'm in the same boat, just with a little more time on the clock. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Toast Museum posted:gently caress. I'm in the same boat, just with a little more time on the clock. Thanks for the heads-up.  I'm running my DS1515+ backups through a new level of scrutiny right now. Fortunately it's mostly media; but I'd rather not have to re-create any of it.
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Twerk from Home posted:Do you have any details? This is a pretty big deal if so, even though those CPUs themselves were super cheap they were integrated into some pretty drat expensive complete systems. I was thinking about a Denverton 8 core NAS whenever those roll around, but this is pretty alarming. Well drat http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/03/cisco_clock_component_may_fail/
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Feb 6, 2017 17:21
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Malcolm XML posted:The EU already sued Intel for a paltry rear end 1 bil eurobucks
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Walked posted:http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specification-updates/atom-c2000-family-spec-update.pdf is there a high volume market that intel HASN'T amusingly hosed up in any way yet this year
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Even if AMD goes under there is still Via Eden. Not much worse competition than constructor cores really.
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That sell replacement for W3.1 is pretty awesome, I may have to boot up the old Acer P66 and see if I can get that working. Also I have my old P3 933 still around with Win 98SE on it for some legacy gaming but the one game I just cannot get to run correctly, emulated or otherwise, is Mechwarrior 2. It's DOS only and drat if I can't get any soundcard I can to work with it in DOS. It seems to pretty much need a ISA soundcard to work correctly and the lowest I was able to get was a PCI SB16 card.  MW2 Mercs and others work great in Windows at least, and there was an unofficial Service Pack for Win98SE that makes it much more stable over what that OS ran patched up from a fresh install, no matter what hardware it seems. (This same hardware ran 98SE/ME/XP through it's life and outside of burning out a PCI Voodoo Banshee (now has an AGP Banshee in it) runs like a top. Another interesting probably speed/16bit related glitch I remember seeing is two games that seem to have a 1Ghz clock limit before they start acting wonky. Need for Speed Porsche unleashed and Railroad Tycoon 3. Both games work and look great below 1Ghz. The second you try to use them >1ghz, they force some sort of super low graphics setting that no setting under their options menu is able to overcome. Porsche Unleashed looks terrible and the textures are reduced to the lowest res, and RT3 does the same with the wheels being spinning square boxes of blurry muck, same with the smoke and everything else really. The games work fine, just look terrible. Throw it on my laptop with low power mode forcing it to stay at 800Mhz and everything is just fine. Apparently there is an unofficial patch for RT3 that fixes this among other things, but I haven't found anything to fix it for NFS PU except the lower mhz fix. Goof stuff old tech.
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NihilismNow posted:Even if AMD goes under there is still Via Eden. Not much worse competition than constructor cores really. Via doesn't have the license to x86-64 though, right?
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PerrineClostermann posted:Via doesn't have the license to x86-64 though, right? The VIA code name "Isaiah" chips released starting in 2008 support x86-64, MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, and SSE4. https://www.extremetech.com/computing/77840-the-via-isaiah-architecture
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If Intel, AMD, and all their assets disappeared overnight, how long do you think it would take for people to stop hoarding Intel/AMD chips like holy relics and start using VIA’s latest and greatest? Probably forever because everyone would switch architectures before VIA caught up.
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Appearently the fastest Via is the quad core 2.0 ghz E series. The 1.6 Ghz version of that board is slightly faster than a AMD E350 so you're looking at least at 2012-2013 low end performance. Up to 16 GB DDR 1333, 4x PCIe slot. Price is not to great at $330 though.
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http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=VIA+QuadCore+C4650%402.0GHz&id=2618 It gets beat by CPUs from 2007—quite possibly earlier, but that’s as far back as PassMark’s database goes.
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re AVR54, apparently the fix is "a minor silicone tweak". I set up a DS1515+ connected to a pfsense firewall and VPN into that with another pfsense box last December. As far as I can tell all use the same C-2000 series CPUs so the race is on.  The 1515+ seems to have a 3 year warranty but the Netgate pfsense boxes only come with 1 year (which already expired). There is probably going to be a lot of bad blood if they just leave their customers SOL. On the other hand every single device they make is affected and they aren't making billions from other products like Cisco, so what else can they do. Wouldn't want to be in their shoes!
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Platystemon posted:http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=VIA+QuadCore+C4650%402.0GHz&id=2618 That is why i specified low end, it still beats a 2015 Intel N3700, most of the A4 APU's and gets close to the J2900. So 2013 low end is about right.
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Combat Pretzel posted:If the EU can't seem to make their budgets work, they'll draw up some more weak-rear end consumer protection bullshit and sue some more. Yes, this is exactly how it works. http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=153543&pageIndex=0&doclang=EN&mode=lst&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=265926
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Lol at people talking about VIA like they haven't been irrelevant since the Bush presidency.
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Honestly, I haven't heard about anything VIA since then so yea. They ain't going to just come back from the undead at this point even if AMD and Intel fall apart. Watch Qualcomm and Nvidia take that torch first. Unless VIA has a bigger enterprise presence then I know about...?
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I remember VIA being the worst AMD chipsets ever. Goddamn things were incredibly unstable.
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Rastor posted:I wonder if the main use of VIA processors is to be in ATM machines running eComStation.
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redeyes posted:I remember VIA being the worst AMD chipsets ever. Goddamn things were incredibly unstable. Via. The nForce2 by comparison was excellent at the time. I miss Abit.
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redeyes posted:I remember VIA being the worst AMD chipsets ever. Goddamn things were incredibly unstable. Their Intel chipsets were no better. I fought with a Via Apollo 694A dual-socket mobo for the better part of two years that would occasionally spontaneously reboot when you loaded both IDE channels at the same time, and their Sound Blaster bug was well-known. And their super-7 poo poo was even worse, but all super-7 poo poo was bad, so 
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So I really hope that it's true that Intel has their panties in a bunch over the Ryzen and that I can net either a cheaper i7-6900K or whatever Skylake equivalent there'll be this summer/fall.
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The impression I get is less that Intel has their panties in a bunch and more that a dog sleeping in the sun is being annoyed by a fly and might actually stand up for the first time in hours.
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Rastor posted:The impression I get is less that Intel has their panties in a bunch and more that a dog sleeping in the sun is being annoyed by a fly and might actually stand up for the first time in hours. To then go take a leak on the shub with a small "Cisco" placard next to it. Who wants to bet Intel tries to offer a fix to vendors, but lets the vendors absorb all the costs associated with conducting the inevitable warranty repairs? Like "ok, here's a free replacement chip (that cost us $1 to fabricate). Now you deal with paying for shipping all your products back and forth at hilarious aggregate cost."
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I am lucky that since 2000 almost all the boards I have built with were ASUS with a side of ASRock and hah, ECS on a few super budget builds (though those drat things still work to this day..) but I missed the VIA/Abit realm a little which sounds like a good thing outside of the systems that I had to try and fix running them. I have been on both sides of Liking/Hating Abit but I don't think I have met a VIA powered device that I would have recommend to anyone back then. Also nForce boards were....iffy. One thing is for sure, compared to Intel chipsets they ran hot as hell, but they were fast. Just don't have all the slots used that you could use without some major active cooling on the NB, but this goes for anything Intel and overclocked as well at the time, just with nForce, you needed it even not overclocked. Ahh the good (and sometimes bad) old days...
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The worst platform I ever used was on AMD Socket 754 when I got the "cheap" Athlon 64 on an Asus KT800 board. That chipset was the absolute worst piece of trash I've ever dealt with. If you put a PCI card into any slot, it would cut the AGP performance in half. I couldn't figure out why my games played like poo poo. Turns out it was the hardware NIC I bought because the onboard NIC sucked rear end. I ended up replacing that board with a DFI Nforce 3 which was less persnickety, but that thing ran for years afterwords.
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Vendors are now reacting to the 18-month timebomb errata. None of them are allowed to mention the component or company, Synology even had to pull a statement because they mentioned Intel. Pfsense/Netgate vowed to replace all affected units within 3 years of purchase which seems fair. https://blog.pfsense.org/?p=2297 Still, having a ticking timebomb as a firewall which is often a single point of failure feels bad. edit: better link: https://www.servethehome.com/intel-atom-c2000-series-bug-quiet/ servethehome posted:Our educated guess is that Intel may have tied access to those reserve funds to signing an NDA for not discussing the issue. eames fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Those that do will not suddenly stop working, but if the component fails, the system will not successfully reboot. So you won't know if you have a problem unless you have to reboot and it bricks. Hope you aren't running Jurassic Park's security on that thing.
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I have nearly 50 devices worldwide we have to replace because of this that are all less than 1 year old. Not looking forward to it.
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eames posted:Vendors are now reacting to the 18-month timebomb errata. None of them is allowed to mention the component or company, Synology even had to pull a statement because they mentioned Intel. 
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Oh geez, NASes and such. That's gonna be a lot of hassle.
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Guess it is a good thing that all my NAS's run on AMD at home lol. Still that is a lovely issue that is going to be bad for those that don't realize it's going to be an issue until it's too late.
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When did Xeon-Ds launch? What if it turns out every one of those bursts into flames at exactly 30 months old?
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Lmao at all these scrubs who have important systems on non-redundant multiply sourced products
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Malcolm XML posted:Lmao at all these scrubs who have important systems on non-redundant multiply sourced products OK wise guy lets see you multiply source x86 CPUs in 2017.
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I wonder what my cloud provider will do about this. I imagine something and also won't have to do anything about it.
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Twerk from Home posted:OK wise guy lets see you multiply source x86 CPUs in 2017. Okay. Watch this.  
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