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The Colonel posted:mainly i hope you're not super attached to alisha cause you're through with about a quarter of her screen time as a major member of your party I've been forewarned on that front. I'm actually looking forward to seeing how that happens.
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I forgot when the mines are, but if you haven't encountered a mob full of casters on hard you haven't seen the worst zesty has to offer
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Feb 14, 2017 12:51
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Oh yeah make liberal use of the quick save in the pause menu, it only lets you retry bosses for some reason, die to anything else and it's back to your last save.
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Feb 14, 2017 12:52
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I actually liked Zestiria quite a bit. I mean it's nowhere near my favorite Tales games but I had a decent time with it.
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I didn't hate it as much as some people and played through the whole thing but it was dumb and I was glad it was over.
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Feb 14, 2017 13:28
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Erg posted:I forgot when the mines are, but if you haven't encountered a mob full of casters on hard you haven't seen the worst zesty has to offer It makes the gratification of using Magilou in Berseria much sweeter
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The Colonel posted:honestly the worst part of zestiria is that its combat system narrowly avoids being really good and fun by introducing lots of annoying gimmicks and frustration over a really solid base with some fun character movesets This is my main problem with the game. I thought it was some decent fun, but the new stuff they introduced made it feel like they were really struggling to make new systems.
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Erg posted:I forgot when the mines are, but if you haven't encountered a mob full of casters on hard you haven't seen the worst zesty has to offer I'm playing on normal because Tales games are usually pretty bad at scaling difficulties.
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Feb 14, 2017 17:58
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm playing on normal because Tales games are usually pretty bad at scaling difficulties. This hasn't been true since Graces f.
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Feb 14, 2017 18:03
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Eh, Zestiria is pretty awful on harder difficulties unless you start grinding for particular equipment drops
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Phantasium posted:This hasn't been true since Graces f. Graces F was actually the one I was thinking of when saying this. Bosses especially become incredibly unfun hp sponges.
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Feb 14, 2017 18:13
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm playing on normal because Tales games are usually pretty bad at scaling difficulties. I only remember Abyss on the hardest difficulty jacking up enemy defense so much that every character does 1 damage except Jade. So basically the game became a Jade solo playthrough. Yes, I did this. No, I can't explain why I did something so stupid.
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Sakurazuka posted:Eh, Zestiria is pretty awful on harder difficulties unless you start grinding for particular equipment drops It's hard to know anyone's familiarity so I just assume that people who say they aren't balanced haven't really tried since they actually made progress towards balancing harder difficulties other than the olden days when it was a hard "come back on NG+ with grade bonuses'.
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Feb 14, 2017 18:32
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Lord Ephraim posted:I only remember Abyss on the hardest difficulty jacking up enemy defense so much that every character does 1 damage except Jade. So basically the game became a Jade solo playthrough. Yes, I did this. No, I can't explain why I did something so stupid. Can't let the bullshit win!
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Feb 14, 2017 18:36
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Ah yes, Liger Queen and her 30k hp that needed working through. Good times.
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I beat Zesitira on 2 spots above normal without really touching the equipment stuff. People just need to use water form more.
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Tae posted:I beat Zesitira on 2 spots above normal without really touching the equipment stuff. People just need to use water form more. Having a giant gently caress off laser available at all times was pretty broken, yeah.
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ToZ wasn't really that bad on chaos. The experience down thing was a bit weird, but you end up getting the best gear in the game like 2/3s of the way through, so it's manageable. I still think ToX was the worst on higher difficulties, if we're putting the cut-off line at Graces. All about abandoning links so your partner doesn't murder you, micromanaging your AI, and HP sponge bosses you can't do weakness combos on. It's a real slog without Fel Arms. Graces was arguably easier on higher difficulties because the SP bonuses meant you had a plethora of titles mastered, and some of those master bonuses were really really strong. No amount of enemy stats in ToX2 could hope to balance its overpowered weakness system.
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I don't think you could go higher than hard on the Xillias on a first run, at the very least. Although it is funny having Ludger's gun tutorial be a proper difficult fight.
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When I think about it, to be fair, I also had to micromanage the AI in ToZ a lot. I always think the game would have really benefited from having an AI setting for each kamui and by extension make it so AI wouldn't drop kamui until some threshold you set or manually control. It should have been separate from the BG controls. Just another one of the many little problems with ToZ, though... You know I really liked Ludger's combat style, when I think about it. I liked Asbel a lot in Graces, too. I think I have a thing for different weapons/stances. Just so cool.
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Dj Meow Mix posted:It makes the gratification of using Magilou in Berseria much sweeter Yeah it owns that Magilou's break soul is dedicated to loving over those fights
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MonsieurChoc posted:Graces F was actually the one I was thinking of when saying this. Bosses especially become incredibly unfun hp sponges. Graces? But the difficulties have a multiplier for your own attacks that hit weak points, and also gave more experience/title EXP, and only buffed enemy HP/attack and not defenses. I never really found battles to take longer than they should except for the dragons.
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So I just beat Berseria and remembered that I never finished Zestria. Despite the not good things I hear about it I decided to play it again( and hopefully beat it this time). So I dug up my PS3 and started up Zestria, and first thing I noticed was how choppy everything was. Is this a problem with the PS3 version? If so I might attempt to get a copy for the PS4. Considering I apparently was only two and a half hours in, it doesn't seem like a big loss if I start over.
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So given that Berseria is spoiled a bit by Zestiria X, and Zestiria X is supposedly/apparently better than the game, is the best order to go about this mess at this point to play Berseria and then watch the Zestiria X anime?
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In real terms, Berseria essentially comes between the two split seasons of The X. I think S1 will give you most of the setting baseline you need to catch onto most of the stuff in Berseria when you're meant to. I don't remember if they mentioned Mao, though. Probably not. Berseria is completely possible to play with no Zestiria exposure, though. One thing won't make sense, but everything else is explained in its own terms.
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Playing Zestiria first made me sad about Eizen in the back of my mind regardless of what happened, which sucked Watching the Zestiria X version of events made me feel a little better
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Blackunknown posted:So I just beat Berseria and remembered that I never finished Zestria. Despite the not good things I hear about it I decided to play it again( and hopefully beat it this time). So I dug up my PS3 and started up Zestria, and first thing I noticed was how choppy everything was. Is this a problem with the PS3 version? If so I might attempt to get a copy for the PS4. Considering I apparently was only two and a half hours in, it doesn't seem like a big loss if I start over. all versions of zestiria only run at 30fps, half of what berseria runs at. if you want it to look as smooth as berseria you'll need to buy it on steam and use a mod that lets you raise the frame cap
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The Colonel posted:all versions of zestiria only run at 30fps, half of what berseria runs at. if you want it to look as smooth as berseria you'll need to buy it on steam and use a mod that lets you raise the frame cap Hmmm, my computer would most likely explode if I attempted to play a jrpg on it. Sad, but what're you gonna do? I'll probably just get the PS4 Zestria version for the improved graphics whenever I see it on sale or something. In the meantime I'll watch the Zestiria anime and put my PS3 away, until I get to finishing Tales of Graces f, and Tales of Xillia, and Tales of Xillia 2, and the Tales of Symphonia Chronicles double pack. Goddammit my backlog is too big. 
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The PS4 port of Zesty doesn't have any graphical improvements over the PS3 version other than 1080p and a consistent 30fps.
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Yeah, I played the PS3 version of Zesty in Japanese, and it was clear the game was not meant for that system.
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Today on Tales of Zestiria the X: Somewhere in the distance, Sorey's voice is faintly heard. "Uh, am I still the main character? Anyone? Hello?"
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Uhhhh I don't know where the Maltran sub-plot is going now. I don't know where the Zavied thing is going now. And I have no idea in general what's going on with Alisha after this. This is basically like 5 hours cut from the game so far. Like what the Alisha DLC should've been.
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Welcome to Zestiria.
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Sakurazuka posted:Is there no grade system in Graces F or is it just hidden? grade is awarded after game completion and varies depending on what you've achieved in your playthrough
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Pureauthor posted:Today on Tales of Zestiria the X: Haven't caught up yet, but: good.
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God even the skit in Alisha's episode is better than the ones about Sorey and Rose. It feels like actual character humor and not an unrelated manzai routine jammed awkwardly into the middle of philosophy and death. Glad they remembered that not only does Bartlowe exist but so does Lunarre and either of them might even do literally anything.
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Sakurazuka posted:Is there no grade system in Graces F or is it just hidden? Grade is given for certain actions. For example, you get grade for each side quest you complete (and if you do all of them, that's 415 grade for the PS3 version). As for grinding for grade via combat performance, you get 0.1 grade for each technical bonus you achieve, which maxes out at 256 total. You also get grade according to your max combo, so up to 999 total. There's also stuff for getting titles, and mastering skills. There's also stuff for arte usage, but that can get wildly grindy. Basically, don't stick around one zone using the same artes over and over and over again if you want more grade. Do lots of different things on lots of different characters.
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