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Tardcore
Jan 24, 2011

Not cool enough for the Spider-man club.

The Skeleton King posted:

Overwatch is trash that looks like a bunch of DreamWorks rejects, like all of Blizzard's lovely character designs. The game is a mediocre team shooter that only succeeded due to a lack of strong competition at the time and Blizzard's fanboys, and is really only good for pornography, as proven by pornhub's reports.

You forgot the part were Blizzard sucks at balance and every time they try to rebalance a character they always turn out either trash or an overpowered behemoth and if by some fluke they don't do either of those things they quickly gently caress it up

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Blurry Gray Thing
Jun 3, 2009
Also, how the hell is "Starcraft 2 is bad!" an unpopular opinion?

The story mode is loving garbage, the new characters all suck, and the plot sucks, and the way they handle all the returning characters sucks, and it just sucks all around. It's clear that they had a way bigger focus on single player than the first game. It's not just a bunch of slapped together missions with some talking heads in between. There's a ship to walk around on, and some campaign-only units and even bits where you have to make a choice, but the story is vomit. It's like a gilded turd polished to a mirror shine.

I'm not really an RTS multiplayer expert, so I can't tell the difference, but I thought people didn't really like the multiplayer either. Something something bad balance something something first Starcraft is still better. I don't really know, but if that's true that just makes it a bad game with no redeeming qualities.

Blizzard need to just start hiring good writers like they hire good everything-else, instead of leaving it to people who are in charge of the story team because they've been with the company forever.

Ten Wasted Dollars
Oct 24, 2010
Ocarina of time is the best zelda game

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



Someone at Blizzard seriously looked at Starcraft 2 and thought "Wings of Liberty...yeah, that sounds badass" and got everyone else to agree lol

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



Starcraft 2: Lazy Cliche

Sardonik
Jul 1, 2005

if you like my dumb posts, you'll love my dumb youtube channel

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

Starcraft 2: Lazy Cliche
"It's like poetry, they rhyme" mused Chris Metzen, as he remade Mar Sara escape mission from SC1.

Faith For Two
Aug 27, 2015
Power Stone 2 is better than any Super Smash Bros game

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Homestar Runner posted:

Everything about Terranigma (SNES) was blatantly stolen straight out of Chrono Trigger / Illusion of Gaia / Secret of Mana but it's better than those games so lol owned

that was a series of games - Soulblazer, Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma

it's kind of natural that it takes stuff from its own prequel

hip check please
Jan 11, 2012

Fallout 4 was ....good?

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY
There hasn't been a truly good stealth game since Thief: The Metal Age. Yes, I am counting both Dishonored games and the pitiful "stealth" engine in Deus Ex: HR and probably any other game you could mention (including you wiseacres that might mention the terrible Thief sequels). Bethesda's stealth systems were never as fluid or sensible and usually just felt tacked on to justify the stealth stats.

But it's been like twenty loving years and if somebody was going to beat it they would have done so by now.

CaptainSarcastic posted:

Alien: Isolation is a crappy game that was bafflingly popular.

Amnesia in space, except you can run past most of the grunts.

Zorodius
Feb 11, 2007

EA GAMES' MASTERPIECE 'MADDEN 2018 G.O.A.T. EDITION' IS A GLORIOUS TRIUMPH OF ART AND TECHNOLOGY. IT BRINGS GAMEDAY RIGHT TO THE PLAYER AND WHOEVER SAYS OTHERWISE CAN, YOU GUESSED IT...
SUCK THE SHIT STRAIGHT OUT OF MY OWN ASSHOLE.

BUY IT.

Blurry Gray Thing posted:

I'm not really an RTS multiplayer expert, so I can't tell the difference, but I thought people didn't really like the multiplayer either. Something something bad balance something something first Starcraft is still better. I don't really know, but if that's true that just makes it a bad game with no redeeming qualities.

So, Starcraft 2 massively improved the pathing and UI from Brood War, but it turns out this ruins Brood War. BW has the curious property that, due to stupid unit AI, there is a nearly infinite amount of actions you could take that change the way a battle plays out.

In SC2, everything works so smoothly and predictably that every battle feels exactly the same, just two giant lumps of poo poo running at each other. BW battles are interesting and memorable specifically because they're such a tangled mess.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Dragon Age 2 is remarkable and excellent because it's probably the only well-written video game out there, and the only one that actually "gets" people and can portray them authentically.

thepharmtech
Feb 15, 2017

Take the suggestion from my avatar

AlphaKeny1 posted:

mega man 9 was actually really good and fun

I really liked the bosses in that game so I would have to agree with that opinion.

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


the new world of warcraft expansion was a marked improvement on the endgame from previous incarnations, not just over warlords.

DoctorStrangelove
Jun 7, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

I'm starting to think Pick never actually play DA2, despite overwhelming evidence otherwise.

DoctorStrangelove
Jun 7, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

The best written video game character ever is Charles Barkley in Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar
Age of Empires 2 is/was the only entertaining RTS game. You could easily find a "no rush 1 hour" (or half an hour, or whatever) game and it was actually more about strategy than pumping out spearmen or whatever and attacking 5 minutes into the game. People frown on it now because it it's not "skilled" play but SC2 and similar games players forget that games are supposed to be fun too.

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


yeah I eat rear end posted:

Age of Empires 2 is/was the only entertaining RTS game. You could easily find a "no rush 1 hour" (or half an hour, or whatever) game and it was actually more about strategy than pumping out spearmen or whatever and attacking 5 minutes into the game. People frown on it now because it it's not "skilled" play but SC2 and similar games players forget that games are supposed to be fun too.

i disagree. only because star wars: galactic battlegrounds exists and since it's basically aoe 2: star wars edition, it also is fun as gently caress.

actually, the existence of empire earth ii gives a third to the Fun to Actually Play RTS world.

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


:vapes:
Grimey Drawer
mass effect 2 on insanity is an almost perfect video game.

the series completely hosed up by too rapidly advancing the plot instead of dragging it out and continuing the serial method that worked so well for ME2. i know it was supposed to be a trilogy, but 1 and 2 meandered about so much that rushing in the whole main plot in the 3rd game was foolish. 1 and 2 demonstrated what worked so well for that series. you don't need a galaxy ending threat. the games work best when you're out doing smaller scale, personal stuff that has consequences, even if its just a short encounter a game later. it would have been awesome if the developers realized that and just made a series of character driven procedurals with villains of the week that resulted in the reapers never fully invading, instead of relying on a lame mcguffin.

ME3 hosed up in more that "just the end."

all the characters were abysmal, including the lame reconnections with the old crew. but especially the new ones. good god, they were so loving bad.

the story was just awful. rushing in a ticking time bomb plot in a game that's about exploring the galaxy was so stupid. "oh no, earth is being destroyed by an ancient galaxy ending threat! no hurry though, make sure you go out and finish up all the side quests and collect everything. don't worry, you've got a poo poo load of time, it takes a while"

the combat was complete utter poo poo. ME2 (insanity) was so good because its a real-time rpg in the sense that every enemy has a series of defenses you have to deal with, so its about effectively managing powers, weapons, and ammo types. also the AI was decent and the combat could be really challenging (assuming you don't use heavy weapons which are insanely lame). ME3 stripped most of that away, even on insanity, which just made it a really lame shooter.

the point is, almost everything was wrong with ME3, not just the ending, whereas ME2 was drat near perfect.

also, i like empire total war, expect it gets played out eventually and the end game is pretty boring.

speaking of boring end games, xcom is fun until the end, then its a boring grind.

edit: re2 is an amazing game (not better than 4, but the best of the original batch by far)

RaySmuckles fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Feb 15, 2017

Homestar Runner
Oct 9, 2012

This is the best videogame
I have ever played!
hovercrafts are the most fun vehicle to race in Diddy Kong Racing

Ivan Shitskin
Nov 29, 2002

yeah I eat rear end posted:

Age of Empires 2 is/was the only entertaining RTS game. You could easily find a "no rush 1 hour" (or half an hour, or whatever) game and it was actually more about strategy than pumping out spearmen or whatever and attacking 5 minutes into the game. People frown on it now because it it's not "skilled" play but SC2 and similar games players forget that games are supposed to be fun too.

but... but rise of nations

Hometown Slime Queen
Oct 26, 2004

the GOAT

Homestar Runner posted:

hovercrafts are the most fun vehicle to race in Diddy Kong Racing

No way, planes all the way, also gently caress the hovercraft race squid boss and the first car Wizpig race

Dr.Smasher
Nov 27, 2002

Cyberpunk 1987

DoctorStrangelove posted:

The best written video game character ever is Charles Barkley in Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden.

You're rught. No other character will ever be written as well as Truckpump extolling the virtues of vidcons before you save.

Communist Bear
Oct 7, 2008

Mass Effect 3 is a pile of poo poo and Andromeda is more than likely going to continue the poo poo piling what with Bioware being a shadow of a husk of what it used to be.

Hell Bioware are so terrible even it's own founders abandoned it to go back to being medical doctors.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

Kenzie posted:

but... but rise of nations

Never tried it to be honest. Pretty much all I played back then was AOE2 and empire earth, which was also a good game that I feel was pretty underrated.

1982 Subaru Brat
Feb 2, 2007

by Athanatos

Zorodius posted:

So, Starcraft 2 massively improved the pathing and UI from Brood War, but it turns out this ruins Brood War. BW has the curious property that, due to stupid unit AI, there is a nearly infinite amount of actions you could take that change the way a battle plays out.

Also true of being able to select multiple buildings at once in SC2, which was controversial when it was announced since it simplifies things and lowers the skill ceiling. RTS games are in a weird place where UI design and game design are kind of the same thing so it's hard to make the game feel better to play without removing depth.

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan
I hate The Witcher 1, 2 and 3


because I hate playing as Geralt, his voice, how he looks, what choices he makes

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

yeah I eat rear end posted:

Age of Empires 2 is/was the only entertaining RTS game. You could easily find a "no rush 1 hour" (or half an hour, or whatever) game and it was actually more about strategy than pumping out spearmen or whatever and attacking 5 minutes into the game. People frown on it now because it it's not "skilled" play but SC2 and similar games players forget that games are supposed to be fun too.

Or you could not be a total baby and rush.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
The first time I played Smash Bros on N64 was also the first time I had ever heard of it. I thought it was a fighting game made for babies in true Nintendo style. I thought it was dumb as hell and couldn't see how anyone could enjoy playing it. I have never changed this opinion of it.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

Grevling posted:

Or you could not be a total baby and rush.

I don't have the time anymore for the 2-3 hour aoe2 games I used to play but they were far more enjoyable than any game that encourages/requires rushing.

Why does every game now have to be ultra-competitive "e-sports"? The only modern multiplayer game I can even enjoy anymore is call of duty (although infinite warfare kind of sucks rear end) because I can just pick up a controller and do well in it without having to dedicate weeks/months of practice to even be on the same level as most of the other players.

Prorat
Aug 3, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
Tank controls are the best way to play survival horror games. AND They are better and more accurate than most PS1 games, try and have Lara Croft jump from ledge to ledge on PS1, tank controls are like butter compared to that.

The only survival horror games in existence:
RE
RE2
RE3
RE: CV
RE: Remake
RE: Zero
Dino Crisis
Dead Space 1

Also, Resident Evil 4 is a lovely game and not survival horror in anyway.

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

yeah I eat rear end posted:

I don't have the time anymore for the 2-3 hour aoe2 games I used to play but they were far more enjoyable than any game that encourages/requires rushing.

Why does every game now have to be ultra-competitive "e-sports"? The only modern multiplayer game I can even enjoy anymore is call of duty (although infinite warfare kind of sucks rear end) because I can just pick up a controller and do well in it without having to dedicate weeks/months of practice to even be on the same level as most of the other players.

It's mainly the extreme length you mentioned. I mean, it's fun the first couple of times with the whole map being stripped of resources and all that, but it gets samey. Whereas if you don't limit rushing the game becomes much less predictable. There are lots of different rush strategies in AoE2, and as many ways of countering them. Remember that the rusher has to make sacrifices to make the rush happen, and it may not even pay off.

But I agree, sometimes it's great to play a strategy game to just chill and enjoy yourself. That's why sometimes if I feel like doing something cool in a Paradox game like Victoria 2 or Europa Universalis IV I change my mind because you have to play them constantly or you'll forget about how to play right and suck and die.

The Dennis System
Aug 4, 2014

Nothing in Jurassic World is natural, we have always filled gaps in the genome with the DNA of other animals. And if the genetic code was pure, many of them would look quite different. But you didn't ask for reality, you asked for more teeth.

Space Crabs posted:

PC gaming is objectively better in every measurable metric and the people who try to say it isn't are describing their own inadequacies and bias while pretending to hide behind the issue of their favorite corporation being superior to other peoples favorite corporations.

Developers make hosed up PC ports all the time.

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

The Dennis System posted:

Developers make hosed up PC ports all the time.

and yet pc gaming is STILL better

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Pick posted:

The Phoenix Wright series and Zero Escape series would also be included, but I think considering them "games" is honestly kind of a stretch. I love them, but honestly I basically think they're books.

Mostly agree with this except zero time dilemma poo poo the bed in every conceivable way (especially frustrating because the midgame was epic as hell)

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Fallout 3 was the best 3d fallout game

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost

Goa Tse-tung posted:

I hate The Witcher 1, 2 and 3


because I hate playing as Geralt, his voice, how he looks, what choices he makes

I've played and hated about a dozen hours of each, and I haven't enjoyed any story beats, characters, environments, or combat encounters. The best thing I could say about any of those games is that they look kind of nice, except that the first one has aged incredibly poorly.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde
Wing Commander was the pinnacle of the series and they should have stopped there. I need to be able to blow up anything in the universe if I'm willing to shoot my one remaining laser cannon at it for long enough.

Also, more games should have mission trees where you can lose for awhile but still recover.

A good single player campaign should be the goal of every game except obvious party games like Mario kart.

They need to make another Endless Ocean.

I preferred Star Control to Star Control II. (Which is still a good game I like)

SimCopter and SimCity2000 were both great and ideal together. SimCity is better than all the other games that came after it.

Tomb raider 2 and tomb raider are better than any of the sequels and remakes.

Otner
Dec 28, 2011

by Hand Knit
Buglord
Invisible War > Human Revolution

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Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
This is really "everyone has nostalgia for console games that were totally inferior to better PC games" rant but:

Half Life 2 -> Halo
Half Life 1 -> Goldeneye
Ultima -> Final Fantasy
Commander Keen <-> Super Mario Bros and -> Any sonic game
Test Drive 3 -> Every single racing game of the era

Also the best Gold Box RPG games ever made were actually two classic shockingly dark sci-fi games based around motherfucking Buck Rogers which nobody took seriously because, well, Buck Rogers

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