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Ronnie posted:It was really nice of them to announce the DLC just a few weeks before release. Totally not a deliberate move. Couldn't you take this as a good sign that they didn't start working on the DLC until the main game was complete?
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I don't know why people are so angry about this. They didn't announce the DLC until after BotW was completed. The DLC doesn't come out for a few months, meaning they are still working on it and it isn't cut content from the game.
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Feb 15, 2017 00:21
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Augus posted:Couldn't you take this as a good sign that they didn't start working on the DLC until the main game was complete? No, because he's looking for reasons to be aggrieved
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Feb 15, 2017 00:21
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:There's a key difference there, tho: those games are bad. Good games are good. Yeah, but Zelda isn't out yet. I'm expecting it to be good and have it preordered, but that doesn't mean it will be. We both agree on the connotation of DLC in general throughout the industry, and thus understand the reaction, yes? e: Announcing DLC before a game is launched is almost always interpreted poorly as well.
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Feb 15, 2017 00:28
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I assume that the general response to this is people feeling somewhere between okay with this and a little annoyed with this but still looking at picking it up, with a few outliers thinking this is the very worst thing ever or thinking this is in no way a potentially poo poo move and that anyone that has any negative opinion over this is just whining. It'll probably be fine, and I am looking forward to taking dumb tourist screenshots with Link in the Switch shirt across Hyrule, but this was handled in possibly the worst way it could have been with the gaming community customer base being how it is.
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Feb 15, 2017 00:56
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Crawfish posted:I assume that the general response to this is people feeling somewhere between okay with this and a little annoyed with this but still looking at picking it up, with a few outliers thinking this is the very worst thing ever or thinking this is in no way a potentially poo poo move and that anyone that has any negative opinion over this is just whining. There's no "good" time to announce this sort of thing because people will always find a way to get pissed off about it, because that's how "gamers" are. They're the kind of people who look for a reason to be mad rather than having a concrete set of wants/needs and then evaluating from there.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:03
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Ronnie posted:It was really nice of them to announce the DLC just a few weeks before release. Totally not a deliberate move. The new stuff probably isn't in a showable state yet. Not having anything to show off is a good sign.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:05
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This thread reads like it's reacting to news from 2007. Downloadable paid content!? Ludicrous!
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PerrineClostermann posted:e: Announcing DLC before a game is launched is almost always interpreted poorly as well. Unless it's for fighting games. Or maybe it was just for Smash in general. People lost their poo poo when Mewtwo was announced remember? Well okay like actually most people were elated but some for some reason interpreted Mewtwo as a forty dollar piece of DLC they had to buy and were previously only planning on getting the Wii U version.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:07
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jivjov posted:The new stuff probably isn't in a showable state yet. Not having anything to show off is a good sign. Not really disagreeing with you, but some of the stuff in the DLC probably won't be shown off because it involves showing off stuff in the main game they avoided.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:16
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Nerds on the internet make a good point, it would have been nice to include this pass as part of the super expensive sword and coin limited edition copies of the game. Specially for the countries who aren't getting the cool gamepad case as part of it.
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PerrineClostermann posted:Yeah, but Zelda isn't out yet. I'm expecting it to be good and have it preordered, but that doesn't mean it will be. We both agree on the connotation of DLC in general throughout the industry, and thus understand the reaction, yes? True, I understand skepticism about it, and I feel that April would be the better time to announce it once reviews and crazy people who play the whole thing can tell everyone that the game is massive and complete. However the connotation of DLC means bad leads mostly to kneejerk reactions where people don't really put much thought before throwing their hyperbole in order to complain, usually for some consumer moral high filled with buzzwords. What they Say was not executed well, but what Nintendo's doing (waiting until the game has officially gone gold before even talking about it, letting the DLC take 4-7 and 9ish months to release and the substance of what the DLC even is) is pretty promising given their past history.
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Lemming posted:There's no "good" time to announce this sort of thing because people will always find a way to get pissed off about it, because that's how "gamers" are. They're the kind of people who look for a reason to be mad rather than having a concrete set of wants/needs and then evaluating from there. That's not "gamers", that's just people in general. You'll find the same kind of thought in fans of anything, from music to parachuting. Not all of them of course, but that mix of pessimism and hyperbolic anger exists across the spectrum, not just in one group. It's more pronounced in some groups, but that's almost certainly because those groups are bigger and more visible, not because its exclusive to or even really any more prominent in those groups. tsob fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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tsob posted:That's not "gamers", that's just people in general. You'll find the same kind of thought in fans of anything, from music to parachuting. Not all of them of course, but that mix of pessimism and hyperbolic anger exists across the spectrum, not just in one group. It's more pronounced in some groups, but that's almost certainly because those groups are bigger and more visible, not because its exclusive to or even really any more prominent in those groups. Yeah, true.
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Lemming posted:There's no "good" time to announce this sort of thing because people will always find a way to get pissed off about it, because that's how "gamers" are. They're the kind of people who look for a reason to be mad rather than having a concrete set of wants/needs and then evaluating from there. Well... "Hey, we're working on some DLC, don't have anything to show yet because we're just getting started but we'll probably have something new to show at E3" would probably go over pretty well.
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Feb 15, 2017 02:30
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Mahoning posted:Aonuma was asked if they would be combining the console and handheld Zelda teams together and he said no, he likes how they approach games differently. This would be the perfect way to handle the franchise. Sorta like how Pokemon has been alternating between new generation and remakes.
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Feb 15, 2017 02:41
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Keiya posted:Well... "Hey, we're working on some DLC, don't have anything to show yet because we're just getting started but we'll probably have something new to show at E3" would probably go over pretty well. if you're not a giant sperg, they pretty much implied that.
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Feb 15, 2017 02:46
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Cojawfee posted:if you're not a giant sperg, they pretty much implied that. You should take some time and learn about the concepts of "tone" and "connotation," which were quite different between the announcement and that person's post.
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Feb 15, 2017 02:48
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Keiya posted:Well... "Hey, we're working on some DLC, don't have anything to show yet because we're just getting started but we'll probably have something new to show at E3" would probably go over pretty well. Yeah there would be no backlash like "Why won't they tell us what's in the DLC?! It's probably just new skins!" "Give us a release date! I need to know when this will release because of some stupid specific reason that only applies to me!" "They won't even give us a price! Nintendo is ripping us off! I'm not wasting my money on some useless poo poo!" *Begins to throw something towards his large collection of 100+ amiibos, but thinks better of it*
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Feb 15, 2017 02:51
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Like the game went gold a relatively short time ago. Hell your special and master nerd editions are probably sitting right now covered in dust in some distant warehouse, the DLC isn't cut content but I'm also willing to bet it's not post-game content, more like a sidestory thing that can happen ambiguously post or pre last boss
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Feb 15, 2017 02:56
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New Super Luigi U was as good as a whole new game on its own and people still acted like the price they were asking for is outrageous. They did that even when Nintendo started giving it away. I just think fans don't have much of a good idea how much things are worth.
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Feb 15, 2017 02:57
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Yeah, the handling of the announcement is definitely what sent me from mildly annoyed to being internet angry. There's no mental model for any of this. I cannot think of a single dungeon in any previous Zelda game that I would have paid even $10 for, let alone $20, and I've never once heard of paying for a difficulty option, especially not a couple months after release I'm willing to give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt because MK8 DLC was fantastic, and maybe once I play the game it'll all make sense, but they didn't even try to justify it. I'm dropping $400 to play a game that's been delayed 2 years, and 2 weeks before I get it they're asking for more money without explaining what i'll get for it Hopefully no matter how you feel about DLC you can agree that this is a bad look
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Feb 15, 2017 02:58
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SirPenguin posted:Yeah, the handling of the announcement is definitely what sent me from mildly annoyed to being internet angry.
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Mahoning posted:Yeah there would be no backlash like Agreed. You just can't please everyone. I could never understand people that get super upset at DLC. It's an obvious business decision. People pay for it, regardless of yours or my opinion. If Nintendo can make some extra money from a relatively small amount of work/effort on their part, why wouldn't they? If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Also, its only $20. If that is such a dealbreaker for you, should you really be spending $300+ on a new toy?
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Feb 15, 2017 03:01
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Just a reminder than we (and by we I mostly mean our parents) paid the equivalent of over $100 for the Legend of Zelda, Adventure of Link, and Link to the Past.
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quote:There's no mental model for any of this. I cannot think of a single dungeon in any previous Zelda game that I would have paid even $10 for, let alone $20, and I've never once heard of paying for a difficulty option, especially not a couple months after release. Metro Last Light, Dragons' Dogma, and Dying Light were all games that offered a "hard mode" as DLC at one point, based off of quick cursory research. In any case, I'm thinking the value of that pack will be in the Cave of Trials, not the hard mode. It's like everyone is deliberately leaving that out of the discussion.
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People were wondering about how the whole "Link gets targeted by lighting during rainstorms" thing would work out. Here's your answer. Link, Link hurry. Hurry TAKE YOUR CLOTHES OFF FOR GOD SAKES HURRY!
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Feb 15, 2017 03:10
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I like how upset Cat Peach seems to sound after it happened.
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Feb 15, 2017 03:14
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That was the worst voice I've heard in my entire life.
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Feb 15, 2017 03:19
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it's a "cutesy"-sounding puppet voice on a segment for children.
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Feb 15, 2017 03:24
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TFRazorsaw posted:it's a "cutesy"-sounding puppet voice on a segment for children. ...that is primarily watched by hygiene-deficient 30 year old men
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Hedrigall posted:...that is primarily watched by hygiene-deficient 30 year old men I didn't know you were such a big fan.
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Feb 15, 2017 03:27
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I'm pretty sure kids watch a healthy amount of the video game content on YouTube in America AND Japan. They're a big part of why that stuff has exploded in number the last few years.
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TFRazorsaw posted:I'm pretty sure kids watch a healthy amount of the video game content on YouTube in America AND Japan. They're a big part of why that stuff has exploded in number the last few years. Hell I know time stopped and nothing had more importance in the universe whenever anything Nintendo related popped up on TV when I was a kid so I can't imagine kids having free unlimited unbridled access to it wouldn't take advantage of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUiWD3Ob9Po This intro signaled the most important moment of my week every other week growing up
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Calaveron posted:Hell I know time stopped and nothing had more importance in the universe whenever anything Nintendo related popped up on TV when I was a kid so I can't imagine kids having free unlimited unbridled access to it wouldn't take advantage of it That looks like Doom
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Feb 15, 2017 04:57
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Cave of Trails is cool Hard Mode is neat Additional Map Feature!?!?! New Original Story is cool New Dungeon is cool Additional Challenges??!? Not really going to worry too much about it until they give more information about what each thing is
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Feb 15, 2017 09:07
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So I don't really read Games all that much.....is the reaction to this DLC typical of the attitude around here. Because if so yuck.
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Feb 15, 2017 09:29
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Escobarbarian posted:So I don't really read Games all that much.....is the reaction to this DLC typical of the attitude around here. Because if so yuck. It's rather muted here. Other places are uh, more vocal about it?
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Feb 15, 2017 09:34
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Oh yes I can't imagine going to a YouTube or IGN comments section about this. I would probably start openly weeping
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