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Re: records being obsolete, records have much higher tolerance for physical faults than any digital medium so... I don't know but I can listen to a hundred year old records that have a few scratches but CDs from last year with just one scratch deep enough are literally unplayable. Not to mention hard disk drives. (Although it's very very hard to scratch a HDD.)
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Jerry Cotton posted:Re: records being obsolete, records have much higher tolerance for physical faults than any digital medium so... I don't know but I can listen to a hundred year old records that have a few scratches but CDs from last year with just one scratch deep enough are literally unplayable. Not to mention hard disk drives. (Although it's very very hard to scratch a HDD.) Uh no vinyl records do not have higher tolerance for physical wear and damage than CDs. Vinyl is a lot easier to scratch than polycarbonate, and one bad scratch can make it literally unplayable because the needle will just skip. Even if that never happens, you play vinyl with a hard needle that is trying to cut further into the groove, so records that have been played too much wear out and sound bad. On the CD side, the multi-layered error correction encoding used by Red Book audio means that CDs often still play back bit-perfect even with terrible scratches (especially radial ones). On top of all that you can actually recover a severely scratched CD. There are kits with filler material and polishing compounds you can use to polish a damaged CD back to optical clarity. The only truly permanently fatal CD scratch is one to the top (label) side that penetrates through the label's protective lacquer coating and damages the sputtered aluminum reflective backing and the molded pits and lands which encode bits.
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Jan 17, 2017 07:30
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Vinyl undeniably sounds worse, and will probably wear worse, than CDs. I think the main allure to vinyl is everything other the sound. It's the ritual, the tactile experience of putting wax to turntable, and the necessity to listen to the entire thing from beginning to end instead of skipping around the parts you like. (Especially for concept albums.) The larger format for the artwork is nice too. I listen to 99% of my music as lovely mp3s on an iPhone, most of the time set to Shuffle All. It's my background music when I'm at my job, when I'm working out, when I'm driving around town; I have favorite songs, but it's mostly just a source of rhythm and pace. But when I want to actually sit down and mindfully listen to a piece of music, vinyl provides that ritual. It doesn't have to sound great to provide that -- it merely has to sound good enough.
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Jan 17, 2017 21:20
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It's true.
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Jan 17, 2017 21:59
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the other good thing about vinyl is the amount of stuff that's available on it, going back almost a century. you just don't have that with any other format. I mean you don't even need electricity to listen to vinyl if push comes to shove. also cutting and scratching with vinyl is the best
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Jan 18, 2017 01:55
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JFairfax posted:the other good thing about vinyl is the amount of stuff that's available on it, going back almost a century.* *So long as you have like 6 different kinds of needles and the ability to use at least 5 different turntable speeds
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Jan 18, 2017 02:08
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JFairfax posted:the other good thing about vinyl is the amount of stuff that's available on it, going back almost a century. Nah ... Have you actually checked out one of the major streaming services? Spotify has a catalog dating back to early Bell wax cylinders... Admittedly I suppose it only includes stuff that has been re-issued on CD or other digital formats, but I dare you to name 5 good records that are available on vinlyl or 78s, that you would genuinely miss if you only had their catalog. (Modern music is a different story. There are tons of labels and artists that for some reason only release parts of their back catalog on streaming services.)
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Jan 18, 2017 11:25
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fishmech posted:*So long as you have like 6 different kinds of needles and the ability to use at least 5 different turntable speeds Don't forget size.
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Jan 18, 2017 11:39
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Nah ... Have you actually checked out one of the major streaming services? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN7e5R96fwU this ain't on spotify and you can prise it from my cold dead hands
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Jan 18, 2017 13:54
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JFairfax posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN7e5R96fwU Keep it.
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Jan 18, 2017 14:31
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there's a bunch of stuff not on there, remixes, acapellas, instrumentals, non-US / european stuff that is decades old. I bet there's thousands of nigerian disco funk records nowhere near spotify
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Jan 18, 2017 14:37
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Yeah, but it's hard to track down that stuff in legit physical media too, often the only reasonable option is  .
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Jan 18, 2017 15:09
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I just watched a youtube about a cassette player with USB out and some fuckwit had to comment that the thing is obsolete because everything is available on-line and as proof put up a link to a sound file that was only available because the maker of the youtube ripped and uploaded it.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:21
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Konstantin posted:Yeah, but it's hard to track down that stuff in legit physical media too, often the only reasonable option is this is true, digging in the crates is fun as well tho'
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Jan 18, 2017 15:28
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Well at least with records, there are online marketplaces where you can scrounge up rare releases. It's a shame most of them are poo poo that no one would want to listen to. But I concede that the music can actually be found.
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Jan 18, 2017 16:32
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If you don't know about discogs and you like R@RE vinyl then I don't know what the gently caress you're doing with your life, man.
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Jan 18, 2017 16:47
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JFairfax posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN7e5R96fwU But it is on YouTube, for free even.  Jerry Cotton posted:Don't forget size. You're right, I'd forgotten about things like how you had 16-18 inch transcription disks and classical music releases, and how the European record industry sold half-meter diameter discs up to the 30s. A lotta regular record players aren't going to fit those.
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Jan 18, 2017 17:39
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Even titty anime is making fun of audiophiles now. https://twitter.com/Liuwdere/status/822147046140473347
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Jan 19, 2017 19:58
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"Spindeco cables optimize the function of connected electronic equipment. The effect doesn't disappear immediately after disconnecting the cable, which makes it difficult to make comparisons."
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Jan 22, 2017 23:00
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In case you needed something to laugh at this Monday afternoon http://www.ideonaudio.com/product/3r-usb.html quote:The 3R dramatically improves signal transmission from the USB cable (USB rail) through a cutting edge re-drive chip. It replaces and regenerates the USB signal utilizing a high quality low noise power supply. It re-clocks the USB signal utilizing low-jitter oscillators. BANME.sh fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jan 30, 2017 |
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Jan 30, 2017 22:08
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I love how people keep claiming how unreliable digital buses are. Everything works fine, except audio.
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Jan 30, 2017 22:37
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I'm going to start a service where each individual bit of data is carried from your playback device to your amplifier by specially trained Sherpas.
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Jan 30, 2017 23:04
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Such a lot of fancy talk which summarizes to "we made a 1-port USB hub using off the shelf silicon and are selling it for far more than it's worth". Some of their tech claims are even believable! Yes I agree that the receiver eye closes with a long cable and you need an active repeater (hub) in the middle to pull off long cable runs. That's USB 101. A signaling standard not designed for long distance transmission needs help to do that, who knew?! What it's not going to do is crisp your highs or thumpify your bass. Outboard USB DACs have their own local reference clock. Reclocking the data link which fills the DAC's input FIFO is not going to change the properties of the actual sample clock in any noticeable or important way.
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Jan 31, 2017 01:10
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BobHoward posted:Such a lot of fancy talk which summarizes to "we made a 1-port USB hub using off the shelf silicon and are selling it for far more than it's worth". This is 95%+ of audiophile gear on the market today, just replace "1-port USB hub" with literally anything you can think off.
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This is some sort of reverse audiophile phoolery. The chip itself is very good and price is reasonable, but who thought it a good idea to label the connectors with Comic Sans? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Upgraded-Ta...hAAAOSwA3dYbKZY
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Hob_Gadling posted:This is some sort of reverse audiophile phoolery. The chip itself is very good and price is reasonable, but who thought it a good idea to label the connectors with Comic Sans? shoulda used Papyrus, for maximum pretension
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BANME.sh posted:In case you needed something to laugh at this Monday afternoon
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Its weird cos Schiit, which I respect a lot, also makes one of these it doesn't sound like they take it very seriously quote:Sonic benefits? That’s a lot of hoo-ha!
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Feb 14, 2017 18:58
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"We know this thing is 100% bullshit but there are plenty of stupid people who will buy it, so why not?"
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Feb 14, 2017 19:06
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If I could sell what amounts to a USB repeater for $100 you're drat right I would too
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I really need to stop getting into arguments with audiophools. One guy seems to think it's perfectly reasonable to disqualify participants from a CD-quality vs hi-res listening test, if they express any doubt whether they could hear a difference, and anyone whose results seem like they were guessing, and not count their results in the final conclusion  In other words, remove the data from people who didn't get the results he was expecting
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metallicaeg posted:If I could sell what amounts to a USB repeater for $100 you're drat right I would too Slim Devices did this with the Squeezebox Transporter after they saw people modding the $400 version with expensive power supplies and outboard DACs so they made a $2000 model with all the bells and whistles and it actually sold OK.
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I don't get this love for Schiit. Reading a bunch of their product descriptions, while they're not audiophool level bullshit, they're walking a fine line. Kind of sounds like people over at Head-Fi fretting over minute differences in opamps that the human ear can't even pick up.
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Well, some of their devices perform useful functions at ok prices. Let's not completely overlook that.
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Combat Pretzel posted:I don't get this love for Schiit. Reading a bunch of their product descriptions, while they're not audiophool level bullshit, they're walking a fine line. Kind of sounds like people over at Head-Fi fretting over minute differences in opamps that the human ear can't even pick up. Flipperwaldt posted:Well, some of their devices perform useful functions at ok prices. Let's not completely overlook that.
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KozmoNaut posted:I really need to stop getting into arguments with audiophools. You'd expect anything different from people throwing money at magic?
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Olympic Mathlete posted:You'd expect anything different from people throwing money at magic? No, of course not. But it is sort of entertaining how he used a specific study from McGill university (on 44.1kHz vs 88.2kHz) to back up his arguments, and as I started picking it apart, he shifted to the "only qualified hi-res listening capable participants" thing and basically discredited the study himself.
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Combat Pretzel posted:I don't get this love for Schiit. Reading a bunch of their product descriptions, while they're not audiophool level bullshit, they're walking a fine line. Kind of sounds like people over at Head-Fi fretting over minute differences in opamps that the human ear can't even pick up. They make good products cheaply. If audiophools want to throw more money at them for better magic, then Schiit has a solution for that. I see no problem with this. What products specifically "walk a fine line?"
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:What products specifically "walk a fine line?" http://schiit.com/products/wyrd A $100 USB signal 'cleaner'
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Take a look at this. http://schiit.com/products/yggdrasil How is that not treading awfully close to audiophile territory?
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