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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:Has anyone else wondered if Mikaila isn't actually dead? Mikaila is dead according to Ashley- her body was burned before Duane's.
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Fabricated posted:Mikaila is dead according to Ashley- her body was burned before Duane's. Unless I missed something in the Q&A tumblr, all we know for sure is that Lemuel told Duane that. And Lem is, as we've just been discussing, an extremely untrustworthy individual.
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Feb 15, 2017 02:01
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Also I'd like to say that I was an entrant in the fanworks contest and partly used ideas that I saw being discussed in this thread, so thanks thread, you made me money.
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Feb 15, 2017 15:09
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Hey, title drop! Also, I just can't see why Lem would agree to the conspiracy. Like, they would have to have his family at gunpoint? I just don't want to believe it. I'll be mad if the motivation was "I've always been secretly jealous of you" or some poo poo.
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Feb 15, 2017 20:36
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Duane is a high-placed and well-liked Ssaelit official, who was on track for even further promotion up until he punched an rear end in a top hat politician in the face. Duane's brother probably believes in Alderode, or Ssael, or both, enough to sacrifice his brother if he believes that's what's required to save everyone else. The false flag was specifically directed at Cresce and Gefendur.
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Feb 15, 2017 21:39
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I don't even think it's personal, I think Lem had been descending into religious fanaticism for quite a while. Look at how he behaves on the current page. The whole "everybody can be Ssaelit" is one of the core tenants of the religion, and here Lem is talking about how Crescians can rot, which is basically the most extreme curse the Ssaelit can make. I can't figure out what the endgame is for the Aldish, though. Duane's assassination definitely served to further tensions between the Aldish Gefendur and Ssaelit, but it seems like doing that would just weaken Alderode in its perpetual cold war with Cresce. If it came down to a religion-based Aldish civil war it definitely seems like the Ssaelit would have stood on the losing end of it, both because of their lack of numbers due to the weeping plague and because if the Crescians did sweep in during the fighting, they DEFINITELY would plan to mass-murder all the Ssaelits.
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Ssaelits can't catch a break with anybody. Everyone who isn't one seems to dislike them on principle - probably due to their diecidal tenets - and Alderode really only permits them religious freedom insofar as the Ssaelit bloc bolsters their manpower against Cresce. Should Cresce ever conquer the place, they'd definitely wipe them out, but they'd also get wiped out by their fellow Alds should Cresce ever cease to be a factor. Really, the only move that affords them real long-term stability is prolonging the current status quo. A victory for Alderode or Cresce would mean their systematic irradication.
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Feb 16, 2017 21:29
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Honestly my assumption was that Duane's assassination was intended as the false flagging of a false flag? Make it seem like cresce was trying to false flag to run up the Aldish Gefendur hate for Cresce. May have misinterpreted it I guess.
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:I don't even think it's personal, I think Lem had been descending into religious fanaticism for quite a while. Look at how he behaves on the current page. The whole "everybody can be Ssaelit" is one of the core tenants of the religion, and here Lem is talking about how Crescians can rot, which is basically the most extreme curse the Ssaelit can make. On the other hand the Ssaelit military we've seen has been confidant that they could win a war against the Aldish Gefendur even if it would be a pyrrhic victory in the end. reignonyourparade posted:Honestly my assumption was that Duane's assassination was intended as the false flagging of a false flag? Make it seem like cresce was trying to false flag to run up the Aldish Gefendur hate for Cresce. May have misinterpreted it I guess. Duane became a political liability the moment he threw away the chance to be a composer, explaining why would make the Ssaelit look weaker and expose internal divisions that would further embolden their political opponents. Ultimately he's a preacher and a single skilled mage, as a martyr he unifies the Ssaelits.
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Specifically, the killing was cast as Crescian Gefendur trying to encourage their Aldish counterparts to ditch the whole "living together in peace and harmony" thing and attack their Ssaelit brethren. As is the usual procedure in false flag operations, the idea is to encourage the exact opposite thing to happen, since the people you don't like theoretically want it.
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Tensions seem so high between the two faiths in Alderode that that seems unlikely, though. The reasoning behind Duane's assassination is SO plausible for the political situation that I don't see it being interpreted as anything other than exactly what it looks like, especially since it was that same day the temple got confirmation that the Gefendur were trying the rebalancing plan. But Lemuel says here: http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch07/ch07_71.html "Better they obliterate us entirely than insult us with minority status." I wonder if he's not overstating and literally believes that to be true?
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:Tensions seem so high between the two faiths in Alderode that that seems unlikely, though. The reasoning behind Duane's assassination is SO plausible for the political situation that I don't see it being interpreted as anything other than exactly what it looks like, especially since it was that same day the temple got confirmation that the Gefendur were trying the rebalancing plan. The gamble of the false flag here is that nationalism can counter religious enmity. Sure, it's all well and good when Aldish Gefendur want to take advantage of a loving plague to politically sideline the Ssaelit, but getting help from goddamn Crescians? gently caress that! If anything, they'd have to abandon the re-balancing just to show their loyalty to Alderode and distance themselves from Crescian terrorists. Dunno, that seems plausible to me.
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GunnerJ posted:The gamble of the false flag here is that nationalism can counter religious enmity. Sure, it's all well and good when Aldish Gefendur want to take advantage of a loving plague to politically sideline the Ssaelit, but getting help from goddamn Crescians? gently caress that! If anything, they'd have to abandon the re-balancing just to show their loyalty to Alderode and distance themselves from Crescian terrorists. Also the Ssaelit politicians could probably spin giving up on getting a composer in exchange for sidelining the census so the Gefendur politicians can feel like their getting something for bowing to (presumed) public sentiment.
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Feb 18, 2017 10:21
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This is back, by the way. Latest pages are pretty good too; Quigley is delightfully petty.
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To be fair, if I caught my son playing with dolls and one of them was me and that doll was getting chumped, I'd probably be a little bothered myself.
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Sharteshane Domination!
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Mar 20, 2017 18:03
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She's got a point: taking what you want is honest hard work!
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Why do I keep running into these solid works of fiction that are nowhere near complete and interesting enough that it makes the wait for more a pain? I better start setting far future alerts in my agenda and just ignore this until then. If I had discovered this in the middle of the Evergreen Hell saga I would have been miffed to say the least. So basically this is some good stuff is what I'm saying. 
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Mar 23, 2017 07:58
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Oh hey, waterfall dude survived. Not looking fantastic (and apparently bandaging himself up in a really fucky way), but living, let alone being able to move under his own power, is far more than I expected.
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Mar 23, 2017 08:33
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On the bright side, he can do the Spock salute like a pro.
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Mar 23, 2017 08:46
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Cope insists Sette's name is pronounced 'Setty' and Duane is pronounce Do-ann or someshit. Its 'Set' and "Do-ayne', anything else is objectively wrong, its the jif thing all over again.
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Setty@Home
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Raposa posted:Sharteshane Domination! shart pryde
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Motherfucker posted:Cope insists Sette's name is pronounced 'Setty' and Duane is pronounce Do-ann or someshit. 
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Mar 24, 2017 20:28
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I can't imagine not pronouncing it "Setty", although I had no idea on Duane until I listened to one of the audio files of her pronouncing it on her Q&A thing.
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I think "setty" is some kind of furniture, but it never mattered enough to me to internalize.
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idonotlikepeas posted:I can't imagine not pronouncing it "Setty", although I had no idea on Duane until I listened to one of the audio files of her pronouncing it on her Q&A thing. trailing -ette being pronounced just et is common enough i never thought it'd be setty rather than set myself
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If I was going for Setty I'd probably stick a ' in there like Set'te, problem is that poo poo visually looks pretentious and unrealistic when applied to the context of mealy mouthed criminal dock-whalloping sharts. Problem is making it 'setty' and 'Do-yane-uh' or whatever basically already sounds like a bad case of 'standard fantasy naming' especially when they're next to 'Matty' and 'Quigley' and 'Jivi' which are all pretty drat good names.
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Pretty sure the joke is supposed to be Duane's a(n admittedly lovable) pretentious nerd and wants to introduce himself with a cool fantasy name but everyone just calls him Dwayne. I'd say Ashley Cope's being pretty self-aware here. She even brings this up in the first comic where he's named, which I posted previously. He might be "Do-ahn" in Aldish but everyone else calls him "Do-ayne" for sure. "Setty" doesn't strike me as particularly weird pronounciation by contrast, though I still read it as "Set." Bad Seafood fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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"Duane Adelier" definitely looks like fantasy French so I can get the -ann rather than -ane pronunciation. Sette could have been Settie.
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Ashley has said more then once before that in Alderode they would use the fancier "Do-ann" pronunciation but the southern countries we have encountered would usually go with "Dwayne". If you have ever heard her pronounce most of her made up words, many of them don't sound like what most people would think based on the way she spells them, which is, whatever I guess. She also has said "say stuff however you want I'm not worried about it" so it's not like she is fuming over people not pronouncing her fantasy words with unintuitive spelling the way she does. I'm not sure why she does it but she has definately put a bunch of thought in to it. Another one that bugs me, apparantly "Khert" is "Zurt" or something.
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Motherfucker posted:If I was going for Setty I'd probably stick a ' in there like Set'te, problem is that poo poo visually looks pretentious and unrealistic when applied to the context of mealy mouthed criminal dock-whalloping sharts. Problem is making it 'setty' and 'Do-yane-uh' or whatever basically already sounds like a bad case of 'standard fantasy naming' especially when they're next to 'Matty' and 'Quigley' and 'Jivi' which are all pretty drat good names. Cat Mattress posted:Sette could have been Settie. People, come on. You're only finding this strange because English orthography has this strange fetish for silent terminal Es. Reading "Sette" as "Se-te" is probably the most natural interpretation of that string. I mean, I suspect Cope didn't intend for that "t" to be geminate, so the second should probably be dropped. But there's really no good reason to replicate English's bizarre orthographical contortions in your fantasy conlangs. If anything, I think if you're going to lean hard into that poo poo you should probably do the exact opposite. Readers already have such a difficult time with made up fantasy words, you really want to use the simplest, most straightforward, most rigorously consistent orthography you can construct. Of course, Cope then proceeds to stick a silent e on the end of "Duane" so gently caress it all I guess nothing matters. 
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If you want to hear her pronounce the names, you can get them in the video here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/502093706/unsounded-comic-volume-1 Khert is pronounced /xert/ according to the wiki, which I believe would be a k-like sound (or more specifically the ch sound from "loch ness") followed by an e like "met" or "bed" with a terminal t sound. So more like kehrt, which I think lines up with the way I've heard her say it (although I can't dig up the audio right now). EDIT: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:IPA_pronunciation_key may be a useful resource if you see people write things like "/xert/". idonotlikepeas fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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Kh being pronounced as a guttural "ch" sound in the back of the throat (ejective, think the ch in "bach") is a really alien concept for english speakers, but it's common in Armenian and Georgian. Sounds like Ashley has been mining some obscure resources for her cultures, which is great. 
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Rime posted:Kh being pronounced as a guttural "ch" sound in the back of the throat (ejective, think the ch in "bach") is a really alien concept for english speakers, but it's common in Armenian and Georgian. Sounds like Ashley has been mining some obscure resources for her cultures, which is great. I'm pretty sure that /x/ is not ejective. Are you thinking of /kʼ/? With the amount of thought she's given into name pronunciation, I'm more than a little disappointed she didn't actually work on real conlangs for the universe—even just a naming language for phonetic/morphemic consistency would be nice.
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Axiem posted:I'm pretty sure that /x/ is not ejective. Are you thinking of /kʼ/? Tainish is actually fairly developed. She's not Tolkien or whatever, but she has made grammatical and spelling rules for it. There's a short guide for the language in the second book she made, I think.
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For as much as Duane blusters he isn't really wrong about how Cresce and its upper echelons are lodged completely up their own rear end. Alderode's shown politicking seems pretty bog-standard poo poo to me where Cresce is starting to come off as particularly diseased in places. Granted, if I had to pick I'd definitely loving live in Cresce.
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This reminds me that in one of the really early chapters, Duane found a belt buckle or something from a Crescian soldier that said "Republic of Cresce" on it (iirc). Was that retconned or are they going with the Roman principate "We're totally a republic even though we have a monarch, honest!" thing?
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