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The Fertittas' long-term goal was global domination, hence all the international cards and fighters. I think it was Lorenzo in his big sit down that said he envisioned the sport being bigger than soccer. The new owners have nixed that idea and want to roll back the number of cards. Makes sense short-term, the UFC still was plenty of names and if anything they had been spreading themselves too thin in recent years.
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I don't follow how they have been spread too thin? I don't have a mind for global strategies for cage fighting tho
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Feb 19, 2017 02:30
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it's cody man-boy-love we've all seen his courageous friend
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Glenn Quebec posted:I don't follow how they have been spread too thin? I don't have a mind for global strategies for cage fighting tho huge roster and too many events? i dunno if it's real tho. there have been some stinkers for sure but there always were
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Feb 19, 2017 02:41
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thin cards now is a consequence of blowing their load on shows like 200 and 205 with main event worthy fights all the way through the card, which was a price worth paying in my opinion as a viewer
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Feb 19, 2017 02:58
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They probably won't be doing that again either.
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personally im more interested in how fun the cards are to watch than whos on them and cards now are really good compared to all of the old ones ive seen which were full of fat guys and chemical experiments who didnt belong at the top level. fights now are generally a lot more competitive and the fighters are usually eager to compete instead of having to pace themselves at a rate of 3 strikes per round in order to not gas out
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Feb 19, 2017 03:05
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yeah the amount of 2 man gas outs has dropped so far
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Feb 19, 2017 03:12
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It's probably financially unrealistic for the UFC to keep every top level talent or prospect in house. They can't get in a bidding war with Bellator for every single fighter of note.
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big money big clit posted:It's probably financially unrealistic for the UFC to keep every top level talent or prospect in house. They can't get in a bidding war with Bellator for every single fighter of note. Yeah, the UFC isn't operating in a vacuum so you can't just say that WME-IMG is loving up and damaging the quality of the product because they're stupid. Bellator is bidding for talent and some prominent fighters made free agency work for them. Bendo and Rory might be a model for fighters going forward, instead of the exception that proves the rule.
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Don't they have to pay something crazy like 100 million a year in interest on the loan they used to buy out the UFC?
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Lid posted:Yes but if you start relying on only names they realise that they control you and not tge other way around, UFC was successful in building by avoiding the boxing pitfall of letting the fighters choose. The loss of Lorenzo and Joe Silva contributes strongly to this. As for Sage and Paige everyone could see that was protection based on nothing and yeah it blew up in their faces. As for Bones he is one that shows what happens when you get too big too fast and burns out in a blaze of glory, like tge burn one feels from a fingernail raking the cornea. I get the feeling Jones was a tremendous rear end in a top hat and gently caress up before becoming famous in the UFC.
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Feb 19, 2017 04:59
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Don't they have to pay something crazy like 100 million a year in interest on the loan they used to buy out the UFC?
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Trast posted:I get the feeling Jones was a tremendous rear end in a top hat and gently caress up before becoming famous in the UFC. Well, he famously bragged about snitching on people who smoked pot in high school so, yes.
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Schenck v. U.S. posted:
And, based on the policy shift they've shown in terms of talent acquisition, retentions and release, that's in pretty loving serious doubt.
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Schenck v. U.S. posted:Yeah, the UFC isn't operating in a vacuum so you can't just say that WME-IMG is loving up and damaging the quality of the product because they're stupid. Bellator is bidding for talent and some prominent fighters made free agency work for them. Bendo and Rory might be a model for fighters going forward, instead of the exception that proves the rule. My guess, judging from when the Alvarez contract stuff came out, would be that the UFC is a much better place for top guys due to PPV points. We'll probably see more mid-level/prospects bouncing around leagues as they are more viable for other leagues to poach, and in turn they can hope to leverage the UFC by going on a tear elsewhere.
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[leaning intimately close to mic at post-fight presser] i crave the rear end up
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There's a card tonight. It's probably going to be bad. Unlike the hit new M. Night Shyamalan film "Split," certified "Fresh" on Rotten Tomatoes. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3810694
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Really enjoyed Jeremy Horns "Where are they now?" he seems to have it together with his once hot fighter wife turned dumpy marm. Quite the opposite from depressing as hell Joe Stevenson.
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Snowman_McK posted:And, based on the policy shift they've shown in terms of talent acquisition, retentions and release, that's in pretty loving serious doubt. Why? Who have they lost so far that's cost them significant amounts of money. If you accept on principle that they simply can't win every negotiation then what's the alternative? I'm also not sure losing prospects to Bellator is the worst thing. If they prove they're worth it the. The UFC will bring them back, if they don't then they won't and no great harm is done. There's this idea that the UFC must have the best fighters, but we've seen from the WEC and Strikeforce acquisitions that there were a lot of excellent fighters fighting under other banners, and the UFC still continued to grow substantially.
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big money big clit posted:There's this idea that the UFC must have the best fighters, but we've seen from the WEC and Strikeforce acquisitions that there were a lot of excellent fighters fighting under other banners, and the UFC still continued to grow substantially. At that point in time, the UFC was only doing like a dozen-ish cards a year with plenty of room to grow. Now we're sitting on ~card a week and they're losing prospects and names to other orgs. I already don't give a gently caress about most of any given card and I'm a fan.
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Feb 19, 2017 22:13
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Letting people like Rory or Lorenz Larkin go aren't terrible decisions because they come from the deepest division talent wise. Losing two young hot prospects from your weakest two divisions is bad.
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If I was any of these guys, I would stay the hell away from Bellator until I knew what the tv situation was going to be long term from this Spike rebranding deal. If Bellator doesn't fit with "Paramount Network" it's likely going to get moved to CBS Sports Network, which few people have, and the whole operation is gonna fall apart.
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Marching Powder posted:At that point in time, the UFC was only doing like a dozen-ish cards a year with plenty of room to grow. Now we're sitting on ~card a week and they're losing prospects and names to other orgs. If I had to guess, WME plans to run way fewer shows.
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1st AD posted:If I had to guess, WME plans to run way fewer shows. yeah. fewer shows and fewer international cards.
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sportsgenius86 posted:If I was any of these guys, I would stay the hell away from Bellator until I knew what the tv situation was going to be long term from this Spike rebranding deal. Viacom isn't CBS so I think they're more likely to end up on MTV or VH1 or something if they leave Spike/Paramount Network. e: I think it's most likely to stay where it is, though. DumbWhiteGuy fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:Viacom isn't CBS so I think they're more likely to end up on MTV or VH1 or something if they leave Spike/Paramount Network. Does this mean that we might see the return of Bully Beatdown
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Ironic Twist posted:Does this mean that we might see the return of Bully Beatdown I'm here to ruin christmas for you: it was fake the whole time
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:Viacom isn't CBS so I think they're more likely to end up on MTV or VH1 or something if they leave Spike/Paramount Network. They're both controlled by the same parent company.
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:I'm here to ruin christmas for you: it was fake the whole time No, I know that, and I also never watched it, and also my favorite pasttime is making jokes that don't land
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There are more good fights then there used to be.
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Dangersim posted:There are more good fights then there used to be. WME are adopting the 'used to be' strategy, though.
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Dan Didio posted:WME are adopting the 'used to be' strategy, though. i believe the better fights now are down to stuff like drug testing and better standards of athleticism, and little things like weigh in changes etc.
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I.N.R.I posted:i believe the better fights now are down to stuff like drug testing and better standards of athleticism, and little things like weigh in changes etc. I think matchmaking and hiring practices have had a lot to do with it too, but I guess we'll see. I am not averse to the idea that fights might keep being real good, but it's equally possible that 2016 was a freak year and/or it was down to changes the Loretta's made that have now been undone, or are planned to be undone.
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Being a striker in the lighter weightclasses/women's weight classes and not being confident in your takedown defence seems like it would really suck.
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i think unless they fundamentally change the way mma fights work then itll stay fun for a long time. i realise they just changed the rules but it seems like the intention is to keep fights exciting and so far theyve been generally good
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I think the rule changes are all good changes.
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Dan Didio posted:I think matchmaking and hiring practices have had a lot to do with it too, but I guess we'll see. I get the feeling that the worst decision new management has made thus far is letting Joe Silva walk. 2014 was absolutely ravaged by main events falling apart and yet the year itself was great in no small part because he and Shelby got really loving good at their jobs.
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Other organizations have proven that it is actually pretty easy to make lovely, bad fights that nobody wants to watch. Hopefully the new owners realize this.
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