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I am shocked Lumpen is able to replace into a big game like this and only has one vote. Maybe he is scum. That is my "haven't read the thread yet" hot take. See everyone
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Actually, I have a second "haven't fully read yet" hot take and that is "Why doesn't murmur twin have more votes?" Ok great bed time
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Feb 19, 2017 05:00
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CCKeane posted:Kinda weird that momentum is shifting off of pera. I don't think this is true. She has 8 votes, no one else is even close.
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Feb 19, 2017 05:23
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Or you just want the case to be accurate more so than it is. Idk. This doesn't help me understand your opinion on the alignments of your fellow players. Can you put yourself on the record?
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Feb 19, 2017 05:24
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King Burgundy posted:I don't think this is true. She has 8 votes, no one else is even close. I might have overestimated how many people were like "OH PERA AND MMT ARE BOTH BAD BUT UH I'M VOTING MMT *fart noises for 15 minutes*"
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Feb 19, 2017 05:27
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Turn up the heat on peri peri and let's see what happens ##vote peramene
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Feb 19, 2017 05:34
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CCKeane posted:I might have overestimated how many people were like "OH PERA AND MMT ARE BOTH BAD BUT UH I'M VOTING MMT *fart noises for 15 minutes*" Don't steal my posts.
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Feb 19, 2017 05:36
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King Burgundy posted:This doesn't help me understand your opinion on the alignments of your fellow players. Can you put yourself on the record? My opinions ought to be evident with regard to pera and pussy quipped I'm inclined to find quidnose a bit scummy as well. Mmt asiina and yourself will become much clearer with a pera flip.
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Feb 19, 2017 06:00
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Votecount for Day 1  peramene (10): Rarity, Murmur Twin (2): Tobbs Gnawed, GulagDolls, Bifauxnen (1): Quidthulhu Rarity (1): Ahab Itualliar, Infinitum, Lumpen (1): Pussy Quipped Infinitum (1): Murmur Twin King Burgundy (0): Asiina, Kashuno (0): Infinitum, Dick Bastardly (0): Enola Gay-For-Pay, GulagDolls (0): Ahab Itualliar, CCKeane (0): Murmur Twin, Quidthulhu (0): Bifauxnen, Asiina (0): Quidthulhu, Not Voting (10): chaoslord, Dick Bastardly, Enola Gay-For-Pay, Kashuno, Little Mac, Mithross, Moatillata, Pander, peramene, The Science of SuckWith 26 alive, it's 14 votes to lynch. The current deadline is February 19th, 2017 at 11:59 p.m. EST -- that's in about 23 hours, 10 minutes. 
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Feb 19, 2017 06:48
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All caught up! Gonna split my posts up by topic.Murmur Twin posted:Setup spec ahoy! Murmur Twin posted:(a) Why is it dumb to bring up the information that D was always a bad choice in the last FF game? Would you prefer that I withhold information that jumps out to me that might help town? King Burgundy posted:A) It's a weird take on things. It's like when science deniers try to cherry pick a trough in data to make a point. There are THREE previous games to look at in the context of this. You pointing to one specific game that supports your point while ignoring the rest of the data is either a bad argument or a false one. I'm leaning false. To address this, let me reiterate my point of view: Murmur Twin posted:Nope! I missed out on FF1/2 and was taken out on the first day in FF3. It's not like I did research or anything to come up with "D was always bad in FF3" - the game was like a month ago and I was in the observer doc where CPig was posting the choices. I was using my memory, and wasn't thinking at all of FF1 or FF2 since I haven't read them. KB - if you think about my posts from the POV of someone who only read FF3, do they make more sense to you?
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Feb 19, 2017 07:22
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Murmur Twin posted:(c) In the event that you're town and D is a bad choice, you're basically encouraging town to follow up a mistake (choosing D) with another mistake (turboing a town player). Do you agree or disagree with this? King Burgundy posted:C) Wow, what? I was questioning Infinitum on these posts: Infinitum posted:If D is a bad outcome, feel free to turbo me D1 Infi is saying that if it turns out D is bad for town, we can turbo him. I am saying that by this logic, if Infi is town, he is encouraging us to follow up a mistake (choosing D) with another mistake (turboing a town player). I mean, right?
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Feb 19, 2017 07:43
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Murmur Twin posted:(b) You encouraged people to stand out and make their own choices, and then voted me and called me "dumb or scum" for doing exactly that. Do you agree or disagree with this? King Burgundy posted:B) You seem to be accusing Inf of something he didn't do here. He had real reasons to vote you and it wasn't your vote in the thing. It was your reason for voting him. You seem to be putting words in his mouth here. I mean, on one hand I guess you're right? Here's what I was thinking when I posted that: Infinitum posted:Stand out from the crowd and let people make their own opinions of you Murmur Twin posted:I choose C - if D is bad, it means dream pies are bad, and since Kain goes all evil in the first half of FF4 I feel like I'd rather have him be the one to eat it. Infinitum posted:MMT I've seen some dumbass lovely votes in my time man, but fuckin hell mate. I was mostly just annoyed that Infinitum was giving his "stand out from the crowd" speech and then giving me poo poo for picking an option and citing my reasons for making my choice.
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Feb 19, 2017 08:03
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does anyone else just filter all quoted posts out of their vision
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Feb 19, 2017 08:04
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GulagDolls posted:does anyone else just filter all quoted posts out of their vision I sure hope not! 
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Feb 19, 2017 08:08
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this is a stickup posted:for comparison: this is a stickup posted:word vomiting is definitely a null tell, agreed. but this game pera is 1) being inconsistent and contradicting herself continuously, 2) word vomiting fluff rather than attempting to scumhunt, and 3) noticeably excited about this game despite being "upset" that she "isn't scum" again this is a stickup posted:if this isn't her projecting, I will honestly be extremely surprised I was kind of not noticing what stickup was saying earlier this afternoon but on a re-read I see his point and agree with it. pera's tone this game is completely different from how she played (town) in FF3 to a point where it's hard to ignore, and her being scum would explain her tone / why she's padding her wordcount so much. ##vote peramene - sorry friend but I think you rolled scum this game!
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Feb 19, 2017 08:34
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chaoslord posted:Actually, I have a second "haven't fully read yet" hot take and that is "Why doesn't murmur twin have more votes?" I'm super curious to hear in your own words why you think there should be more votes on me.
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Feb 19, 2017 08:37
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Probably because there's been a lot of talk about you with p much no voting
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Feb 19, 2017 08:39
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Ahab Itualliar posted:I'm going over everything now especially trying to pinpoint why I was so suss on MMT think it was her "oh yay tobbs is town" post, day one "SO and so is town obviously" always gets my dander up. Also the timing was pera starts looking suss, then rarity starts claiming why that can't be the case at the same time MMT starts focusing on other people looked like it was in tandem to me but it could be more organic than organised. Just to clear it up, my "oh yay Tobbs is town" post was more of a meta read / in-jokey reference to another game than a post that I meant for anyone to take seriously.
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Feb 19, 2017 08:46
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Probably because there's been a lot of talk about you with p much no voting Fair. I was reading it as more of a scummy pile-on but I guess that would make sense.
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Feb 19, 2017 08:49
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Quidthulhu posted:This is a great post to leave your vote on me with, especially since you were insistent that you actually had cased me prior. What makes you think that Bif casing me/Rarity/pera while leaving her vote on you is scummy? I don't get what would be in it for scum to do that more than town.
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Feb 19, 2017 09:42
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Murmur Twin posted:I was mostly just annoyed that Infinitum was giving his "stand out from the crowd" speech and then giving me poo poo for picking an option and citing my reasons for making my choice. Because your choices were bland, safe and uninteresting; which is how scum normally play. Your reasoning for voting me was dumb as hell, citing previous game mini-game meta as the primary reason. You also proceed to retaliate to said call out by throwing out a bog standard mafia prompt of Murmur Twin posted:You seem awfully nervous about a single vote cast against you early on D1. Such a generic nothing prompt designed to get a rise out of the person you posed it to. You're a smart player MMT, so you'd normally know I'd take the bait on it. Combine that with your dumb as poo poo meta vote on me.. Well.. ##vote Murmur Twin I'm not really convinced with the Pera push atm, because they may just be a newbie going at it too hard. I'll have a reread later of their posts
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Feb 19, 2017 12:18
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That said and done I would like to see a claim from Pera. Sorry if one has been made already. Hard to catch up on 200+ posts overnight =_=
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Feb 19, 2017 12:20
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Bifauxnen posted:what the gently caress is going on Bifauxnen, in 75 words or more, explain the thought process behind this post. If you thought you were saying something implicit that would make sense to readers, make it explicit instead. What previous posts or past situations are you referring to in order to construct the meaning?
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Feb 19, 2017 13:21
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Ok, I'm going to break down my two main points against pera now.peramene posted:Scum!Rarity is - well, why not? - an enormous predator which consumes all and leaves naught for the living, a master of the craft that leaves me breathless every time I get the distinct privilege to observe it. peramene posted:Only the one. Er, two? Nobody counts popcon2. These two posts come from mutually exclusive mindsets. In the first pera speaks as if she has a deep familiarity with my scum game gleaned from seeing it in multiple games (note the wording "every time"). However in the second she admits she's only seen it once and later adds she's talking about Awful Big Brother, which is a stretch to call my scum game because social politic games are a different kettle of fish to mafia entirely. The intention of the first post is to flatter me to get me onside, which is something pera would only be doing as scum. peramene posted:I'll probably be gone a lot of tomorrow too just 'cuz d1 is pointless peramene posted:The second half of D1 - tomorrow - tends to be where things start becoming relevant. When pera rebutted this post she completely missed the point I was making, not sure if it was intentional or not. Again, these two posts don't line up as coming from the same mindset. In the first, pera writes off the whole of D1 as irrelevant but after being pushed by Asii she backtracks to saying that it's important when things get closer to deadline. However, someone who believes latter D1 matters would not write off the whole day as pera does in her first post. They would say something like "I'll be back before the day ends to get some reads in". In short, pera's posts fail to show a consistent set of attitudes, knowledge and beliefs. She is changing herself to fit the situation and that makes her scum.
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Feb 19, 2017 13:37
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Going to squeeze in a full reread at some point this afternoon, I'm happy with my vote but want to make sure I'm not ignoring other slip-ups by tunnelling on pera.
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Feb 19, 2017 13:38
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Jonathan Fisk posted:I'd generally say that at best setup spec discussion is neither pro nor anti town. It's an easy scum escape valve because they have a much better sense of the board than we do as town. It seems unnecessary to say "we do as town" like you're trying to reinforce the idea that you're town even though no one has tried to say otherwise. Am I making sense?
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Feb 19, 2017 15:26
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Bifauxnen posted:yeah, I'm thinking now it would be best to try and vote someone outta this clusterfuck at the end of the day, but I can't tell what's going on yet. Why would you team players up when there haven't been any flips yet? You're obviously paying attention but the only useful thing you've said is how you think pera is the most scummy out of three players. It reads like you're hedging and posting a lot of filler to look like you're engaged in scumhunting.
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Feb 19, 2017 15:46
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Rarity posted:The intention of the first post is to flatter me to get me onside, which is something pera would only be doing as scum. I'll get to a proper rebuttal in a few hours (but the truth of the matter is that it may not be necessary so forgive me if I skip it.) I just want to be absolutely clear about this, because I get accused of this a lot: I was embarrassingly furious at... Amoeba? and we were either literally on the same team or I wasn't scum. I can't remember whether it was ff3 or Podlima. My point is, after I am drowned by the Sea King (hot?) - take another look at this post and realize that this is my sincere opinion of Rarity. If you've had the misfortune of being around anytime she comes up, you know the above quote is well beyond an inaccurate assessment of my opinion but an outright falsehood. Not only is it insulting to suggest that you aren't utterly immune to flattery (I like this sentence because it's flattering to be told you are immune to flattering) but I don't flatter without drat good cause. Which YOU KNOW because you know if I could just finally get my goddamn hands on a scumdoc there would be TONS of, how did you phrase it earlier as you began? Rarity posted:I'm very excited to see her posts of praise for me in the scumdoc after the game ends TONS of me jamming in lilac verdana 10 about how you (and KB <3) absolutely must die immediately. I would also build a strat entirely around how scummy I always (being scum irl and all) look because in almost every game I've played I've been kept around forever. I draw votes and I don't make good cases (yet.) You asked me how many games of yours I've read and I gave you an honest answer. Games v. Posts, big deal. No worries. I never said I'd read games you'd played in, just that scum!Rarity - or, sure, fine, lying!Rarity - is loving incredible. Every time I see you play, every story I have been told about you, every goddamn time, girl - genius. So much so that I believe there's a message just for me in this post, and I'd just like you to know that I found it. Also I've already claimed, I'm Fusoya, I can do "a thing" (it's not very useful but leave me with my dignity please, I'm pretending to be an old man), I'm blue planet but a "Lunarian from the red moon," ergo I'm gonna die but there's an event today so don't let scum just turbo me. I also said I breadcrumbed it (this was before figuring out who he was EYEROLL) but I think this is how stickup? I think. taught me to do it in a recent game: peramene posted:Joke phase and circlejerking suck. I don't get it. I don't get the comparison of meta reads (except for Asiina) and I don't get the nonsense that comes with it. It's frankly & ultimately screaming obscenities & ya... I don't remember who asked and I'm exhausted and I'm d1lynch which is poetic considering, but I went and got it for you mostly to give props to sticks for a fun breadcrumb method - if it was indeed sticks. tl;dr: I adore Rarity and it is an honor to be considered most dangerous to eliminate because holy poo poo would I slay her exactly the way she's coming after me as scum!pera. I'm Fusoya. I'm on the moon. Don't forget today's event!
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Feb 19, 2017 16:24
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peramene posted:Also I've already claimed, I'm Fusoya, I can do "a thing" (it's not very useful but leave me with my dignity please, I'm pretending to be an old man), Yeah no, that's not how it works. A full claim is a full claim. Claim your roll properly.
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Feb 19, 2017 16:28
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Infinitum posted:Yeah no, that's not how it works. Claim your roll, like with dice. HEH HEH HEH.
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Feb 19, 2017 16:39
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Infinitum posted:Yeah no, that's not how it works. Sir, I am toast and I've been fortunate enough to see you do this before. I'm not giving scum intel on what sort of abilities folks have d1, not even to survive and actually use it. I am far from town superstar. And I'm certainly not going to allow you (town!Inf I'm sure you mean well) to get it for reasons which should be obvious to the other PRs out there. With so many votes there's zero reason to believe I'm surviving today just because I claim I have something more than "something."
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Feb 19, 2017 16:47
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You're the likeliest lynch target today. You're -3 And you're playing "Well I don't want scum to know my roll" So guess what? ##vote peramene Now you're -2 because you're not actively helping town by withholding info.
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Feb 19, 2017 16:51
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Claim your role or get lynched.
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Feb 19, 2017 16:55
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peramene posted:Sir, I am toast and I've been fortunate enough to see you do this before. I'm not giving scum intel on what sort of abilities folks have d1, not even to survive and actually use it. I am far from town superstar. And I'm certainly not going to allow you (town!Inf I'm sure you mean well) to get it for reasons which should be obvious to the other PRs out there. With so many votes there's zero reason to believe I'm surviving today just because I claim I have something more than "something." If you get lynched your role will flip anyway so what are you worried about?
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Feb 19, 2017 17:01
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Inf, really? A lot can happen in 13 hours that doesn't involve pera full claiming and allowing scum morsel of intel.
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Feb 19, 2017 17:01
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Fair enough, Inf. They'll see it anyway when I flip, but this is the better call.
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Feb 19, 2017 17:03
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Rarity posted:If you get lynched your role will flip anyway so what are you worried about? This is actually a good point, nevermind. I guess it's foolish to think pera is anything but doomed at this point.
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Feb 19, 2017 17:03
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I firmly believe in pressure vote style play D1. Pera isn't coughing up info, which is play not consistent with town. I much prefer MMT as the lynch today, and have made my case as such. I'm policy voting Pera until we see a proper claim.
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Feb 19, 2017 17:04
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I'm not supporting a full claim on principle however. I agree with pera's position.
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peramene posted:Fair enough, Inf. They'll see it anyway when I flip, but this is the better call. So claim if you're town 
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