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Pendent
Nov 16, 2011

The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius
Grimey Drawer
I literally read that entire Game of Thrones fanfic today and I can say without any doubt in my mind that I enjoyed it more than the actual GoT books.

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Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
Not sure why it took me so long to figure out there may be a thread on SA to chat about Black Library books, but I came to the US for school in 2015, and decided to duck my head into this weird "Bookman's Exchange" store thing the place up here had. Turns out it's absolutely incredible, and I begin re-reading a shitton of books that I had previously only read in German, before running into an Iron Hands book.

"They make books about 40K?" I say with the biggest of :stare: faces and dive right in, grabbing some Blood Angels series, and a used Grey Knights Omnibus for 5 bucks. After about a week of devouring books that told stories from the universe my dumb 14-year-old rear end used to play figurines in, I decide to start the Horus Heresy. After a couple of main-series books, I kept mixing in a bunch of other books either accompanying the series, or at least set in the 40k universe, mainly because I didn't want to plow through the series to fast.

Fast forward to yesterday, I've put off starting Master of Mankind forever, but eventually started. Now I'm 60% done the next day and probably finishing it tonight...and I'm getting sad that now I'll have to actually wait for books. On top of that, the last couple of times I was looking for used books, I found comments saying the Heresy was essentially in some form of limbo due to organizational fuckups at BL, but I guess that Laurie Golding interview up there goes into detail more, so I'll read that.

Welp, that's my story, thanks for listening, and thanks for listing a bunch of suggestions in the OP. I read the Ravenor series, liked it, and always thought "Boy howdy, it sure would be cool if someone wrote a series about the guy's mentor.", without ever wasting a second thought that someone did and that it may possibly own a lot.




As an ancillary confession, I love reading 40K stories a whole lot, but I'm a complete emotional schizophrenic when it comes to choosing between traitor legions breaking poo poo in awesome ways, and all the cool Imperium poo poo getting broken. I generally root for whoever is the protagonist in a book, but when stories spend so much time describing and building up really cool stuff of epic proportions, I get all sad when it breaks.
Like, I was all happy for Legio Mortis getting ready to break stuff on Mars in Mechanicum, but the entire while I'm whining a quiet "Nooooo, don't break that, oh god that was so cool, oh god, now it's on fire, whyyyy". Same with that cool as gently caress warp bridge/tunnel(?) xeno fortress thing at the beginning. Just a perfectly smooth transition from "Oh wow, that's impressive, god, I love how they fortified inooooooo why would you break it, oh god why?" Or "Nooooo Magnus, not the webway, all the cool poo poo is in there, this was supposed to be so rad!"

And this is coming from someone who knew all of man's poo poo was on fire in eternal murder war before ever getting into playing with little metal figures. Had to get that off my chest.


Oh, Know no Fear also owns.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

In the grim dark future there is no peace amongst the stars, everything cool is broken, only an eternity of fire and broken poo poo, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Not sure why it took me so long to figure out there may be a thread on SA to chat about Black Library books, but I came to the US for school in 2015, and decided to duck my head into this weird "Bookman's Exchange" store thing the place up here had. Turns out it's absolutely incredible, and I begin re-reading a shitton of books that I had previously only read in German, before running into an Iron Hands book.

"They make books about 40K?" I say with the biggest of :stare: faces and dive right in, grabbing some Blood Angels series, and a used Grey Knights Omnibus for 5 bucks. After about a week of devouring books that told stories from the universe my dumb 14-year-old rear end used to play figurines in, I decide to start the Horus Heresy. After a couple of main-series books, I kept mixing in a bunch of other books either accompanying the series, or at least set in the 40k universe, mainly because I didn't want to plow through the series to fast.

Fast forward to yesterday, I've put off starting Master of Mankind forever, but eventually started. Now I'm 60% done the next day and probably finishing it tonight...and I'm getting sad that now I'll have to actually wait for books. On top of that, the last couple of times I was looking for used books, I found comments saying the Heresy was essentially in some form of limbo due to organizational fuckups at BL, but I guess that Laurie Golding interview up there goes into detail more, so I'll read that.

Welp, that's my story, thanks for listening, and thanks for listing a bunch of suggestions in the OP. I read the Ravenor series, liked it, and always thought "Boy howdy, it sure would be cool if someone wrote a series about the guy's mentor.", without ever wasting a second thought that someone did and that it may possibly own a lot.




As an ancillary confession, I love reading 40K stories a whole lot, but I'm a complete emotional schizophrenic when it comes to choosing between traitor legions breaking poo poo in awesome ways, and all the cool Imperium poo poo getting broken. I generally root for whoever is the protagonist in a book, but when stories spend so much time describing and building up really cool stuff of epic proportions, I get all sad when it breaks.
Like, I was all happy for Legio Mortis getting ready to break stuff on Mars in Mechanicum, but the entire while I'm whining a quiet "Nooooo, don't break that, oh god that was so cool, oh god, now it's on fire, whyyyy". Same with that cool as gently caress warp bridge/tunnel(?) xeno fortress thing at the beginning. Just a perfectly smooth transition from "Oh wow, that's impressive, god, I love how they fortified inooooooo why would you break it, oh god why?" Or "Nooooo Magnus, not the webway, all the cool poo poo is in there, this was supposed to be so rad!"

And this is coming from someone who knew all of man's poo poo was on fire in eternal murder war before ever getting into playing with little metal figures. Had to get that off my chest.


Oh, Know no Fear also owns.

read night lords god bless u

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Just got an email from BL; they've released Abnett's Fall of Malvolion as an ebook finally. That's a damned good Guard-Tyranid's story. Spoiler: it doesn't last 15 hours.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
BL sounds like every company run by finance that I've ever worked for.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Wish this was what HBO was airing.

MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through

mllaneza posted:

Just got an email from BL; they've released Abnett's Fall of Malvolion as an ebook finally. That's a damned good Guard-Tyranid's story. Spoiler: it doesn't last 15 hours.

They released it as a free PDF years ago. It's not really long enough to for an ebook, honestly.

I did base my second army on it though! Warning, terrible freehand:

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Awww! Valentine's Day Astartes!

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

AndyElusive posted:

Awww! Valentine's Day Astartes!

It's only fitting, as most hams are lamenting that they're single.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

SRM posted:

It's only fitting, as most hams are lamenting that they're single.

:vince:

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

by Radio Games Forum

SRM posted:

It's only fitting, as most hams are lamenting that they're single.

I'm proud of myself for calling the chapter correctly.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Waroduce posted:

read night lords god bless u

Also, queue this on your playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdbfgnBYSaU

Alternately: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ZYc8hvD98

Alternately 2; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxclr8mD7lE

MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Feb 15, 2017

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

by Radio Games Forum
I thought this article about bejeweled skeletons smacked of 40K. Kinda neat that churches have kept bones and relics. http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-most-beautiful-dead-photographs-of-jeweled-skeletons

Panama Red
Jul 30, 2003

Only in America could you find a way to earn a healthy buck and still keep your attitude on self destruct
I picked up Know No Fear and A Thousand Sons for a pittance. The bookstore also has the Ultramarines omnibus. Is it worth picking up?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
What happens to guardsmen who aren't KIA but are too wounded to continue fighting? I know that augmetics and cloned limbs are used depending on how well funded a regiment is, but someone who is broken mentally or paralyzed by a severed spine? What would happen to them? Commissars execute people for dereliction of duty in combat, but ptsd is almost never addressed. I doubt regiments can just send invalids back home. Would they mercy kill them, or repurpose them into servitors?

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Arcsquad12 posted:

What happens to guardsmen who aren't KIA but are too wounded to continue fighting? I know that augmetics and cloned limbs are used depending on how well funded a regiment is, but someone who is broken mentally or paralyzed by a severed spine? What would happen to them? Commissars execute people for dereliction of duty in combat, but ptsd is almost never addressed. I doubt regiments can just send invalids back home. Would they mercy kill them, or repurpose them into servitors?
Penal Battalion where they're stuffed full of combat drugs for the mental cases, replace the broken bits for the physical injuries or if it's too expensive just divert them to quartermasters or admin roles and let them work there. The Guard is the Guard.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


Arcsquad12 posted:

What happens to guardsmen who aren't KIA but are too wounded to continue fighting? I know that augmetics and cloned limbs are used depending on how well funded a regiment is, but someone who is broken mentally or paralyzed by a severed spine? What would happen to them? Commissars execute people for dereliction of duty in combat, but ptsd is almost never addressed. I doubt regiments can just send invalids back home. Would they mercy kill them, or repurpose them into servitors?

As with so many things in the Imperium, I expect the answer is "It Depends". If they are maimed during a successful campaign to take or retake a world I imagine something would often be set up by the inhabitants of that world as part of their display of gratitude/penance. Regiments from relatively affluent and civilised worlds would likely have some means of retiring their irreparably damaged heroes to some sort of sanctuary, whilst those with more rough backgrounds likely say a prayer for them and deliver the Emperor's Mercy or farm them off to the AdMech or Guard in some degree of Servitorship/Penal Batallion. Those who are physically broken but still mentally able to serve can be wired up as vehicle or other machinery crews like a more mundane version of Dreadnoughts.

However the Rule Of Loose End Tidying dictates that in any printed story they recover their wits and bodies just well enough to sacrifice themselves in some glorious last stand.

Roller Coast Guard fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Feb 19, 2017

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

Panama Red posted:

I picked up Know No Fear and A Thousand Sons for a pittance. The bookstore also has the Ultramarines omnibus. Is it worth picking up?

The Ultramarines omnibus is... sometimes okay. Dead Sky, Black Sun should have just been retitled "Graham McNeill really doesn't like women much" but the other books are at least readable. They're pretty stamdard bolter porn, both books you picked up blow it out of the water

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
"Dead Sky, Black Sun" belongs to the "burn it" category.

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.

SRM posted:

The Ultramarines omnibus is... sometimes okay. Dead Sky, Black Sun should have just been retitled "Graham McNeill really doesn't like women much" but the other books are at least readable. They're pretty stamdard bolter porn, both books you picked up blow it out of the water

I read this long ago, but what happened in there again to put it in that category?

Panama Red
Jul 30, 2003

Only in America could you find a way to earn a healthy buck and still keep your attitude on self destruct

SRM posted:

The Ultramarines omnibus is... sometimes okay. Dead Sky, Black Sun should have just been retitled "Graham McNeill really doesn't like women much" but the other books are at least readable. They're pretty stamdard bolter porn, both books you picked up blow it out of the water

Hmmm, glad I passed on it then. I actually think Know No Fear is bolter porn. But at least it's decent bolter porn.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Panama Red posted:

Hmmm, glad I passed on it then. I actually think Know No Fear is bolter porn. But at least it's decent bolter porn.

Know No Fear was to me like the 40k equivalent of Fury Road. You don't even get to breathe for half the book. And it's really well done.

I really loved the way the Mark slowly counts down at the beginning, building suspense. Though I could have used more details on the Ruinstorm creation, and maybe have the Grammaticus storylines tied in a little more comprehensively. (those were both in that book, right?)

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Know No Fear is probably the best Horus Heresy book. It's just absolutely brilliant in almost every way, and the comparison to Fury Road is spot on. Absolutely recommended, absolutely high quality, absolutely fantastic.

Decent Bolter Porn undersells it a great deal.

pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.
I just started I Am Slaughter. First couple of chapters are really slow, but it's starting to pick up now.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Know no fear is good, but I felt the story and pace in the second half of the book was not that good. In my opinion, Betrayer is probably the best HH book and top 3 in all 40k, easily.

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

Sandweed posted:

I read this long ago, but what happened in there again to put it in that category?
gently caress you for making me verify my memory of this poo poo book but here goes:

The Iron Warriors keep breeding stock, which are just mutated, chained up women called the daemonculaba. They implant teenagers inside them through a reverse C-section, stitch them shut, and then force feed the women a nutrient slurry (ground up failed Marines) until they get grotesquely huge and then the fully-formed Marine bursts out of them, without any skin. Some go nuts and are called the "Unfleshed" and they flush them down the toilet where they run around Medrengard in crazy skinless barbarian groups, the rest become Iron Warriors.

It's like half a dozen DeviantArt fetishes all stacked on top of each other and it really makes me curious what Graham McNeill's relationship with his mother is like.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Don't forget how Ventris ends up in that forgotten hellhole in the first place, I' talking about the super daemon warp train who kidnaps random people for fun. Literally. After nearly fifteen loving years I stil remember that.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

by Radio Games Forum
And the unfleshed are loyal to the Emps, right?

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
McNeill is a terrible writer.

MMAgCh
Aug 15, 2001
I am the poet,
The prophet of the pit
Like a hollow-point bullet
Straight to the head
I never missed...you

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

McNeill is a terrible writer.
I recently finished Forge of Mars and…yeah, he kind of is. At times anyway. The books weren't offensively bad, but I'm unlikely to re-read them of my own volition in the future. Plus the prose was average at the best of times, even if that's the editor's fault as much as anything.

Assuming they do have someone editing those novels, I mean. :v:

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
The random Uriel Ventriss novel where he's on some planet and fighting some nids was a decent bolter porn book. I don't even remember the name of it, and I read it like three months ago, so that shows you exactly how worth tracking down it is.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Angry Lobster posted:

Don't forget how Ventris ends up in that forgotten hellhole in the first place, I' talking about the super daemon warp train who kidnaps random people for fun. Literally. After nearly fifteen loving years I stil remember that.

The train doesn't kidnap them, it just appears before them and they choose to take a ride on the Daemon train. That part was almost meta. The Ultramarines almost literally say, "if we don't get on the train, the plot can't continue"

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

SRM posted:

The Ultramarines omnibus is... sometimes okay. Dead Sky, Black Sun should have just been retitled "Graham McNeill really doesn't like women much" but the other books are at least readable. They're pretty stamdard bolter porn, both books you picked up blow it out of the water

is that the one where the native women are turned into loving super incubators/wombs for big dumb monsters.


SRM posted:

gently caress you for making me verify my memory of this poo poo book but here goes:

The Iron Warriors keep breeding stock, which are just mutated, chained up women called the daemonculaba. They implant teenagers inside them through a reverse C-section, stitch them shut, and then force feed the women a nutrient slurry (ground up failed Marines) until they get grotesquely huge and then the fully-formed Marine bursts out of them, without any skin. Some go nuts and are called the "Unfleshed" and they flush them down the toilet where they run around Medrengard in crazy skinless barbarian groups, the rest become Iron Warriors.

It's like half a dozen DeviantArt fetishes all stacked on top of each other and it really makes me curious what Graham McNeill's relationship with his mother is like.


that was it.

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat

Guy Goodbody posted:

The train doesn't kidnap them, it just appears before them and they choose to take a ride on the Daemon train. That part was almost meta. The Ultramarines almost literally say, "if we don't get on the train, the plot can't continue"

Speaking of trains, I really liked the part of Eisenhorn where they are on a luxury train solving problems. Tooling around in something like that would have been amazing, and I thought that whole scene was very well set.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

McNeill is a terrible writer.

And yet he wrote the quite good 'of Mars' trilogy, so....

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Graham McNeill wrote Mechanicum and that was good, I thought.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

by Radio Games Forum

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

McNeill is a terrible writer.

:chloe:

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
McNeill is inconsistent but his good stuff, like Storm of Iron, is very good.

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Moose-Alini
Sep 11, 2001

Not always so

AndyElusive posted:

Graham McNeill wrote Mechanicum and that was good, I thought.

I'm half way through Lords of Mars and I really enjoying them so far. I'm a sucker for mechanicum though.

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