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Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

Dreddout posted:

I'd taktically HALO jump in through the chimney

Stop backseat stormtroopering and let the pros sort it out

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Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

first he maimed their bodies through warfare, now he does it through art

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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oh i guess wanting to gently caress kids isn't 'politically correct' now

- /pol, probably

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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MausoleumExtremist posted:

Stop backseat stormtroopering and let the pros sort it out

i would cast Knock

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Hodgepodge posted:

oh i guess wanting to gently caress kids isn't 'politically correct' now

- /pol, probably

The problem with 4chan is that they do not see the problem. It has nothing to do with him being right-wing either. 4chan has no qualms about pederasty

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Nonsense posted:

The problem with 4chan is that they do not see the problem. It has nothing to do with him being right-wing either. 4chan has no qualms about pederasty

yeah, i wasn't actually kidding; after all glorious nippon has normalized wanted to rape preteen girls

they did purge the people who wanted to post literal child porn faster than reddit though, iirc

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

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Hodgepodge posted:

yeah, i wasn't actually kidding; after all glorious nippon has normalized wanted to rape preteen girls

they did purge the people who wanted to post literal child porn faster than reddit though, iirc

Only because of the legal liabilities.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Only because of the legal liabilities.

Yeah, but Reddit still beat that "free speech" drum harder and longer

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Hodgepodge posted:

yeah, i wasn't actually kidding; after all glorious nippon has normalized wanted to rape preteen girls

gently caress off

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Plutonis posted:

gently caress off

Pretty sure this is considered a problem by socially conscious Japanese people :shrug:

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
Once again, anime bad.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Burt Sexual posted:

Once again, anime bad.

Honestly, you can't reduce this particular problem to "anime."

Telephones
Apr 28, 2013

Hodgepodge posted:

yeah, i wasn't actually kidding; after all glorious nippon has normalized wanted to rape preteen girls

Are Asian cultures like this in general? Kpop for example likes very young or young looking, infantile girls. It's pretty prominent and have no idea how or why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A2t_tAjMz8

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Telephones posted:

Are Asian cultures like this in general? Kpop for example likes very young or young looking, infantile girls. It's pretty prominent and have no idea how or why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A2t_tAjMz8

Is that any worse than all the American TV shows about sexy high schoolers? Stuff like Teen Wolf or Glee

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Telephones posted:

Are Asian cultures like this in general? Kpop for example likes very young or young looking, infantile girls. It's pretty prominent and have no idea how or why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A2t_tAjMz8

Possibly, but it's dialed up to 11 in Japan. Here's an old article on the subject (note that Japan did ban non-anime child porn in 2014):

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2054271,00.html

Broadly, the problem seems to be patriarchy:

quote:

The common explanation for Japan's tolerance of child porn is that the country is run by a clique of old men with little sensitivity toward women and children. But it's not just old men who are involved. Most of our customers are in their 30s, says Seiji Wasaki, 27, a clerk in a porn shop in Tokyo's Shinjuku entertainment district. Parliament member Edano, at 34 one of Japan's youngest politicians, views it as a matter of choice. You can't neglect the fact that some high school girls quite willingly do this, he says. If the girl and the man agree to exchange money for sex, and if it's really her will, then it is completely the act of individuals and shouldn't be regulated. The problem, Edano says, is that the girls haven't been properly educated to make an informed decision. A man who frequents teen prostitutes (and who prefers not to be identified) claims that two years ago, the going rate for sex with a 16-year-old girl was $250. Today, men want younger partners. A tryst with a 12-year-old costs more than $400.

There's another theory for the obsession with pedophilia: that Japanese men feel threatened by adult women. Many men are incapable of relating to adult women on an equal stance, says Yukihiro Murase, a professor of human sexuality at Tokyo's Hitotsubashi University. Whatever the explanation, it won't be easy getting a tough law against child porn through the male-dominated parliament. In fact, a similar effort failed last year. But the exposure of Japan's child porn on the Internet may serve a useful purpose for cracking down on this shameful trade, for it has brought the smut out of the insular world of Japan for all the world to see. We feel embarrassed, says parliament member Moriyama. So now we want to hurry up and do something.

When you consider problems like hikikomori. though, it seems as if this too might just be a symptom. I kind of feel like it's too complex to comment on much from the outside, other than just wondering if it isn't a case of metastasized capitalism.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


In The Tale of Genji, the hero falls in love with a girl named Murasaki steals her away so he can raise her to be the ideal wife (she's 10).

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

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Hodgepodge posted:

I kind of feel like it's too complex to comment on much from the outside, other than just wondering if it isn't a case of metastasized capitalism.

imo part of the problem is that Japanese society is so work-oriented that for many people the best times of their lives was when they were in high school, which leads them to fetishize youth. You can see this kind of stuff all over America where high school football is the most important public ritual, but in Japan it's cranked up to 11 because there's very little adult leisure time. Grown men can't relate to women in that quote because it's too difficult for them to socialize outside of the workplace, and workplaces ban fraternization to begin with. Their sexualities are informed almost purely by juvenile experiences. Even non-pornographic anime is broadly centered around high school narratives, because for many Japanese people that was the last time they had social lives.

But I guess that pretty much boils down to metastasized capitalism.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Doc Hawkins posted:

In The Tale of Genji, the hero falls in love with a girl named Murasaki steals her away so he can raise her to be the ideal wife (she's 10).

This is also the world's first novel, and written by a woman iirc

I think there are ideas about purity at play as well. When a hurricane destroyed Ghenghis Khan's fleet and basically saved Japan from Holocaust-level horror, the general who was to meet them remarked that the spirits spared them because of their purity. You see the idea in the "shin" (essential, platonic ideal of) prefix on games and anime titles. On the upside, I feel like that concept would make a lot of philosophy easier to discuss.

These, to be clear, are my half-assed attempts to make sense of this from the outside.

Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 00:46 on Feb 21, 2017

Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

Maybe pederasty matters only as far as it can be used by partisans against political opponents

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Man Musk posted:

Maybe pederasty matters only as far as it can be used by partisans against political opponents

i can only hope we can still agree on enough to condemn loving children across the partisan divide

Telephones
Apr 28, 2013

Guy Goodbody posted:

Is that any worse than all the American TV shows about sexy high schoolers? Stuff like Teen Wolf or Glee

In American pop-culture, adults and kids act like adults. In Korean pop-culture, adults and and kids act like kids. Its called Aegyo. It's a formalized aspect of the culture.

Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

Hodgepodge posted:

i can only hope we can still agree on enough to condemn loving children across the partisan divide

Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

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https://twitter.com/Chemzes/status/833832889460588544

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

Telephones posted:

Are Asian cultures like this in general? Kpop for example likes very young or young looking, infantile girls. It's pretty prominent and have no idea how or why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A2t_tAjMz8

I watched 41 seconds of that and no, the implications on us tv are not as explicit as a stalker coming to your bedroom sleep over

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
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Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Hodgepodge posted:

This is also the world's first novel, and written by a woman iirc

Yeah it's literally actually a thousand years old. Capitalism is what, 40?

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

imo part of the problem is that Japanese society is so work-oriented that for many people the best times of their lives was when they were in high school, which leads them to fetishize youth. You can see this kind of stuff all over America where high school football is the most important public ritual, but in Japan it's cranked up to 11 because there's very little adult leisure time. Grown men can't relate to women in that quote because it's too difficult for them to socialize outside of the workplace, and workplaces ban fraternization to begin with. Their sexualities are informed almost purely by juvenile experiences. Even non-pornographic anime is broadly centered around high school narratives, because for many Japanese people that was the last time they had social lives.

But I guess that pretty much boils down to metastasized capitalism.

That is incredibly depressing, good job thread

Have a photo of a Japanese riot







Immanuel 'OG' Kant:





When Boris Yeltsin visited America, he checked out a grocery store and was amazed at all the food it had



It's not especially clear but these are a bunch of farmers arresting a sheriff.



Buncha Samurai visiting the Pyramids

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Doc Hawkins posted:

Yeah it's literally actually a thousand years old. Capitalism is what, 40?

Hard to pin down, but I think British historiography generally considers capitalism fully emergent by the 1840s or so.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.
Animes don't have human rights, so, y'know, rape away if that's your thing.

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Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

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Nebakenezzer posted:

When Boris Yeltsin visited America, he checked out a grocery store and was amazed at all the food it had


I've heard this a lot about people from Soviet bloc nations, and I have to wonder if it is less about "look at all this food!" and more about "Why are there 5 different brands of chocolate popsicles? How do you choose? Is one better than the rest?"

Concordat has issued a correction as of 03:27 on Feb 21, 2017

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

imo part of the problem is that Japanese society is so work-oriented that for many people the best times of their lives was when they were in high school, which leads them to fetishize youth. You can see this kind of stuff all over America where high school football is the most important public ritual, but in Japan it's cranked up to 11 because there's very little adult leisure time. Grown men can't relate to women in that quote because it's too difficult for them to socialize outside of the workplace, and workplaces ban fraternization to begin with. Their sexualities are informed almost purely by juvenile experiences. Even non-pornographic anime is broadly centered around high school narratives, because for many Japanese people that was the last time they had social lives.

But I guess that pretty much boils down to metastasized capitalism.

japan needs unions

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Concordat posted:

I've heard this a lot about people from Soviet bloc nations, and I have to wonder if it is less about "look at all this food!" and more about "Why are there 5 different brands of chocolate popsicles? How do you choose? Is one better than the rest?"

the 'empty soviet grocery stores' meme is mostly from the severe shortages in the late 80s but soviet consumer goods lagged behind western ones enough that soviet leaders touring western supermarkets suspected that they were staged as propaganda

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

imo part of the problem is that Japanese society is so work-oriented that for many people the best times of their lives was when they were in high school, which leads them to fetishize youth. You can see this kind of stuff all over America where high school football is the most important public ritual, but in Japan it's cranked up to 11 because there's very little adult leisure time. Grown men can't relate to women in that quote because it's too difficult for them to socialize outside of the workplace, and workplaces ban fraternization to begin with. Their sexualities are informed almost purely by juvenile experiences. Even non-pornographic anime is broadly centered around high school narratives, because for many Japanese people that was the last time they had social lives.

But I guess that pretty much boils down to metastasized capitalism.

Just to get an idea of how Japanese society takes this to the nth degree, here's a Vice doc on how schoolgirls are pimping themselves out as "companions."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NcIGBKXMOE

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Ruzihm posted:

japan needs unions

Japan has higher union membership than the US

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Guy Goodbody posted:

Japan has higher union membership than the US
I had always heard that their unions were sponsored by the management and wondered what that meant and how it could be a union in any way I understand them.

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Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

MizPiz posted:

Just to get an idea of how Japanese society takes this to the nth degree, here's a Vice doc on how schoolgirls are pimping themselves out as "companions."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NcIGBKXMOE

Wtf man

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