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Scorchy
Jul 15, 2006

Smug Statement: Elementary, my dear meatbag.
Fig makes it way easier to manage tiers and add-ons. Much better than Kickstarter on this point.

Scorchy fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Feb 22, 2017

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rope kid
Feb 3, 2001

Warte nur! Balde
Ruhest du auch.

Dick Burglar posted:

I remember you saying in the old thread that your ideal RPG would be classless--are you using this as a testbed for some of those ideas?
I don't really a need a testbed for that in TTRPGs. I've had more fun running and playing in classless systems than with class-based systems. I've made two classless TTRPGs for personal campaigns and they went really well.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Diogenes of Sinope posted:

So I may have tripled my initial $40 pledge to get the DLC, White March soundtrack, and the painted figurines. I'm good with money management, is what I'm trying to say.

I really wish I could substitute the painted figurines for the odd nua statue. Statue seems lame, I would play with the figurines. I want the statue tier anyway though because guidebook.

User0015
Nov 24, 2007

Please don't talk about your sexuality unless it serves the ~narrative~!

rope kid posted:

People who give a poo poo about A/D&D edition wars probably don't care much about classless games like Ars, Burning Wheel, etc.

Also, I don't really give a poo poo. I've played Basic-4th and had fun campaigns in every system. I still enjoy classless more.

I have zero experience with classless systems, but does that mean there are no "roles" in those systems? I've always hated the power discrepancy in D&D classes, but I honestly enjoy filling a role as part of a group dynamic. I mean, that's just me and obviously nobody needs to give a poo poo about that, but I like the teamwork aspect of it, and working around inherit weaknesses that a class system brings. "Everybody can do everything" doesn't sound fun to me, versus "I can do this one thing really well, and together with my friends, we can be Big drat Heroes."

Mind you, I have no idea if "Everybody can do everything" is true, and likely isn't. My point is just that class systems (ideally) enforce weaknesses as well as strengths, which makes group player interesting imo.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Technical objection to today's video:

I'm not sure the Defiant qualifies as a sloop. A sloop doesn't have a poop deck. I think it looks more like a caravel.

Roobanguy
May 31, 2011

2house2fly posted:

This beast has an aggressive demeanor yet is eager to please its master. It puts you in mind of an old friend...
I mean there's no Thaos or Kreia to give you a monologue before they attack you. Ondra's not even consciously doing something really bad like Thaos is, you point out that the Eyeless will overrun the Dyrwood and she goes "oh poo poo" because she's really stupid. The end boss of the DLC is a monster who's just hanging around and the real climax Is the talk with the Eyeless. its a cool plot structure I wasn't expecting and gives me hope for the sequel.

well i mean she kinda tried to destroy a continent and willingly wiped out an entire people because they found a bomb rear end forge, and tried to do the same again to stalwart, even if she didn't mean for them to attack the dyrwood/readceras. also they intentionally misled you to get you to kill yourself to stop the eyeless. which didn't actually work like she said it would. so who's to say she wasn't just trying to kill your party and then have the eyeless still destroy stalwart?. gently caress ondra.

if that don't make them the bad guy i don't know what will.

Roobanguy fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Feb 22, 2017

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
Gonna name my ship the Delphinus.

Then I just need to go back to the White March to get a hunk of Ionni Brathr to make a cannon with. Some sort of...moonstone cannon if you will.

*stares pointedly at Ropekid*

rope kid
Feb 3, 2001

Warte nur! Balde
Ruhest du auch.

User0015 posted:

I have zero experience with classless systems, but does that mean there are no "roles" in those systems? I've always hated the power discrepancy in D&D classes, but I honestly enjoy filling a role as part of a group dynamic. I mean, that's just me and obviously nobody needs to give a poo poo about that, but I like the teamwork aspect of it, and working around inherit weaknesses that a class system brings. "Everybody can do everything" doesn't sound fun to me, versus "I can do this one thing really well, and together with my friends, we can be Big drat Heroes."

Mind you, I have no idea if "Everybody can do everything" is true, and likely isn't. My point is just that class systems (ideally) enforce weaknesses as well as strengths, which makes group player interesting imo.

A well-designed classless system allows specialists to feel cool and powerful and distinct while still letting generalists be valuable and useful. Though I wouldn't say this about most of the systems in Ars Magica, the triangular Arts progression and spontaneous casting systems make generalist magi feel great, IME.

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.

Scorchy posted:

Fig makes it way easier to manager tiers and add-ons. Much better than Kickstarter on this point.

I was panning the backer tiers and didn't realize I had to scroll down to find the DLC in the extra options at first.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Dick Burglar posted:

They should put this up on the front of the fig page:



The mom shrieking gleefully always freaks me out a little.

I don't think eliminating bugs is very in-character for Obsidian.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


I just finished my PotD playthrough which was intended to make a perfect endgame save but wahey turns out Eder didn't end up Mayor like I expected/wanted.

gently caress

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Power Bottom posted:

I just finished my PotD playthrough which was intended to make a perfect endgame save but wahey turns out Eder didn't end up Mayor like I expected/wanted.

gently caress

Doesn't PoE 2 have a save generator or something? Where you just pick and choose the options you want?

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


CommissarMega posted:

Doesn't PoE 2 have a save generator or something? Where you just pick and choose the options you want?

Yeah but that's the bitch way out.

Roobanguy
May 31, 2011

Power Bottom posted:

I just finished my PotD playthrough which was intended to make a perfect endgame save but wahey turns out Eder didn't end up Mayor like I expected/wanted.

gently caress

why'd you lie to him about his bro? thats cold man.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Roobanguy posted:

why'd you lie to him about his bro? thats cold man.

I didn't. The only difference between this playthrough and the previous one I did was giving the Standard to Grieving Mother instead of Kurren.

Roobanguy
May 31, 2011

^according to the wiki, telling him to trust in the gods instead of questioning them also affects the ending. don't know how true that is though.

i do wonder how eder reacts to eothas in poe2 if you get his religios freedom fighter ending.

Roobanguy fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Feb 22, 2017

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I hope Concelhaut's skull has to manage the pet daycare on the ship :3:

Trebuchet King
Jul 5, 2005

This post...

...is a
WORK OF FICTION!!



yeah, while there were some sloops with quarterdecks I'm not entirely sure how common they were. One of Cook's ships had one put on but then it was too topheavy so it got taken off.

Sloop is definitely the most fun type of boat to say but looking at the pic I'm wondering if corvette might not be more apt? I'd have to look into it more on a computer instead of my phone.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Power Bottom posted:

I didn't. The only difference between this playthrough and the previous one I did was giving the Standard to Grieving Mother instead of Kurren.

You probably just answered his last few questions slightly differently.

Chuf
Jun 28, 2011

I had that weird dream again.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Technical objection to today's video:

I'm not sure the Defiant qualifies as a sloop. A sloop doesn't have a poop deck. I think it looks more like a caravel.

I agree it looks like a caravel but I believe there were some brigs with quarterdecks that were technically categorised as "brig-rigged sloops" and also some cruizer-class brig-sloops had quarter decks also but then all my info comes from half-remembering stuff from O'Brian novels. Also, there might just be different ship categorisations in Eora.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Updated my journalpledge. Obsidian does the best DLC and I expect this to be no different.

Torment comes out next week and I'll take advantage of the 50% coupon for Tyranny as well but it's still gonna be a loooooong wait for this game :ohdear:

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Robutt posted:

I agree it looks like a caravel but I believe there were some brigs with quarterdecks that were technically categorised as "brig-rigged sloops" and also some cruizer-class brig-sloops had quarter decks also but then all my info comes from half-remembering stuff from O'Brian novels. Also, there might just be different ship categorisations in Eora.

A brig sloop would have two masts.

This seems like either a sloop with an unusually high poop deck or a caravel with only one mast. Overall a caravel seems more time-period appropriate since most of the rest of the game seems to be around 1600 and going full age-of-sail sloop would push the game a couple centuries later.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

rope kid posted:

I'm sure any number of people, including moderately ambitious DMs reading this right now, could make a 3.5/Pathfinder/5E game set in Eora that would be totally fitting and appropriate. Ditch sorcerers and warlocks, use psionic warriors as a core class. Replace gnomes and halflings with orlans, orcs with aumaua, genasi with godlike. You're more than halfway there. No one needs me or anyone else at Obsidian to design what are effectively house rules.

I'm a little surprised you're doing a new rule set instead of just a setting splatbook for Pathfinder or D20 rules or whatever.

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

Island #4 incoming, I need more islands

I'm surprised to not see the new update trumpeted from all the game blogz, there's always a ton of clamor for pirate games

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.

tithin posted:



:toot:


I don't see them getting the next stretch goal tbh

It seems Obsidian heard you were talking poo poo.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Basic Chunnel posted:

Island #4 incoming, I need more islands

I'm surprised to not see the new update trumpeted from all the game blogz, there's always a ton of clamor for pirate games

And even most pirate games focus on the cannon combat and don't have good boarding combat

A good tactical boarding battle mechanic is actually pretty rare, I can't think of a game that does it well off the top of my head, mostly because you need a whole game system for just that.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Hopefully they have a full scale media blitz set to launch tomorrow. Need to draw in some new blood; I think a lot of their pledge gains these last couple of weeks have been from people doing add-ons/upping their pledges.

Dolash
Oct 23, 2008

aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,


Basic Chunnel posted:

Island #4 incoming, I need more islands

I'm surprised to not see the new update trumpeted from all the game blogz, there's always a ton of clamor for pirate games

I don't think they've been leaning as heavily into the sort of generic Caribbean pirate flavor as gaming media generally expects. They've got boats, cannons and krakens, sure, but there's still a definite medieval theme and they've talked quite a bit about importing elements from other historical pirate regions and cultures. It might not be as easy to toss out an article like "Yo Ho Ho And A Bottle Of Healing Poition! Obsidian Takes To The High Seas For Their Next Arrr-PG!"

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

Dolash posted:

I don't think they've been leaning as heavily into the sort of generic Caribbean pirate flavor as gaming media generally expects. They've got boats, cannons and krakens, sure, but there's still a definite medieval theme and they've talked quite a bit about importing elements from other historical pirate regions and cultures. It might not be as easy to toss out an article like "Yo Ho Ho And A Bottle Of Healing Poition! Obsidian Takes To The High Seas For Their Next Arrr-PG!"

They've stated many times now that PoE is solidly Age of Exploration/Early Modern era, not medieval. That's reflected in PoE1 I don't know why you'd think it'd change in a game Ropekid has said will be more overtly dealing with themes of colonialism.

Dyrwood is a colonial nation.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
Wow, even after today's upsurge in funds it's still 50/50 between fig funds and pledges. Good poo poo

TEENAGE WITCH
Jul 20, 2008

NAH LAD
that q&a with rope kid & bobby null is live atm https://www.twitch.tv/obsidian

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


jesus it jumped from like, 3.2 mil to 3.4 in minutes. i just absolutely do not understand how the fig fund thing works

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

AriadneThread posted:

jesus it jumped from like, 3.2 mil to 3.4 in minutes. i just absolutely do not understand how the fig fund thing works

If they've hit max investment (2.25 million) and they're trickling it out (which is what it looks like they're doing), that's another 500,000 in investments, which makes 4 million pretty certain, which means PoE II is likely to surpass the PoE kickstarter. :stare:

Skeptical we'll hit 5 million... but less skeptical then I was when the update went up. :lol:


EDIT: As to how it 'works', it sounds like people say they want to Invest and then the investment is put 'on hold' and added into the total amount raised at the pleasure of fig.co. So it looks like they're trickling out 'approving' the investments at a rate that roughly matches the fig pledges. Which makes sense, because if they dropped 2,000,000 in investments on day one, and double funded just from that, it would probably make a lot less people pledge. It would also change the narrative from being 'fan funded' to being 'investor funded'.

Fintilgin fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Feb 23, 2017

pun pundit
Nov 11, 2008

I feel the same way about the company bearing the same name.

Rope kid what is your favourite classless tabletop system that is not tightly tired to setting and does not require high levels of system mastery to make effective characters in? I have trouble finding such a system.

Scorchy
Jul 15, 2006

Smug Statement: Elementary, my dear meatbag.

AriadneThread posted:

jesus it jumped from like, 3.2 mil to 3.4 in minutes. i just absolutely do not understand how the fig fund thing works

Looks like the investment fund is matching the pledges for every ~100k jump.

Oh wow they just put in another 50k.

They're gonna pass PoE1.

Under the vegetable
Nov 2, 2004

by Smythe

rope kid posted:

A good tabletop game.

Octo1
May 7, 2009

AriadneThread posted:

jesus it jumped from like, 3.2 mil to 3.4 in minutes. i just absolutely do not understand how the fig fund thing works

Every couple of hours they roll a d20 and multiply it by 10,000, then add that amount as funds.

Under the vegetable
Nov 2, 2004

by Smythe

pun pundit posted:

Rope kid what is your favourite classless tabletop system that is not tightly tired to setting and does not require high levels of system mastery to make effective characters in? I have trouble finding such a system.

those two things are kind of cool.

Scorchy
Jul 15, 2006

Smug Statement: Elementary, my dear meatbag.
Live Q&A

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Under the vegetable
Nov 2, 2004

by Smythe

rope kid posted:

A well-designed classless system allows specialists to feel cool and powerful and distinct while still letting generalists be valuable and useful. Though I wouldn't say this about most of the systems in Ars Magica, the triangular Arts progression and spontaneous casting systems make generalist magi feel great, IME.

Ars is a really interesting game. Different characters will have extremely severe discrepancies in power but every character can also be fun to play, fulfilling, and capable of doing things to affect the world.

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