Crimson Kings, Agriculturists, and Lightsabers - The Prog Thread

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BigFactory: Sep 17, 2002

I hope we can all agree that Spock's beard is bad.

# ? Jan 22, 2017 15:47

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 18:10

Attitude Indicator: Apr 3, 2009

BigFactory posted:

I hope we can all agree that Spock's beard is bad.

i think their earliest albums had a certain charm, but i'm not going to argue your statement

# ? Jan 22, 2017 15:51

algebra testes: Mar 5, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Some PoS can feel academic to me. But I still think that Remedy Lane is a classic.

Also, I listened to some Flower Kings for the first time in a decade the other day. The first like, 10 minutes of I Am The Sun are pretty good. I just get bored with the remaining parts. :haw:

# ? Jan 22, 2017 15:56

Henchman of Santa: Aug 21, 2010

I've only ever listened to The Perfect Element and was never big on it. Is old PoS worth listening to if I couldn't get into that record much?

# ? Jan 22, 2017 16:01

algebra testes: Mar 5, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Henchman of Santa posted:

I've only ever listened to The Perfect Element and was never big on it. Is old PoS worth listening to if I couldn't get into that record much?

Remedy Lane, yes

. It, despite clearly being a concept album and dicking about with wack time signatures and polyrhythms is probably the least overtly proggy of all their stuff. It's also one of the few albums of theirs that I can engage with in more than an intellectual way. Also two thirds of the songs on the album have distinct personalities that I can actually recall and not just a whole bunch of samey prog stuff. And I'll be blunt there are probably a few legitimate hooks on that album which I really dig. And finally, when they do do something intellectual it actually comes in service of the music and not a "hey look how cool we are" kinda way.

I mean having said that, you may still not like it, but for those reasons it's my favourite album.

I don't hold the rest of the early stuff in high regard, and I haven't listened to them in ages. My memory of One Hour By The Concrete Lake is it's an example of everything I dislike about PoS in one album: dispassionate and intellectual music and subject matter. But man, New Years Eve is still one of my favourite songs of theirs.

# ? Jan 22, 2017 16:36

Vulture Culture: Jul 14, 2003; I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

algebra testes posted:

Remedy Lane, yes . It, despite clearly being a concept album and dicking about with wack time signatures and polyrhythms is probably the least overtly proggy of all their stuff. It's also one of the few albums of theirs that I can engage with in more than an intellectual way. Also two thirds of the songs on the album have distinct personalities that I can actually recall and not just a whole bunch of samey prog stuff. And I'll be blunt there are probably a few legitimate hooks on that album which I really dig. And finally, when they do do something intellectual it actually comes in service of the music and not a "hey look how cool we are" kinda way.

I mean having said that, you may still not like it, but for those reasons it's my favourite album.

I don't hold the rest of the early stuff in high regard, and I haven't listened to them in ages. My memory of One Hour By The Concrete Lake is it's an example of everything I dislike about PoS in one album: dispassionate and intellectual music and subject matter. But man, New Years Eve is still one of my favourite songs of theirs.

Remedy Lane is also fascinating from a production standpoint, because beyond the writing, the songs seem to have been individually recorded and mixed in a way that complements the themes and feel of each song, rather than finding a single melange that works well enough to bind the whole thing together. It's one of my favorite production jobs in all music.

# ? Jan 22, 2017 16:57

Iucounu: May 12, 2007

So I finished a new album with my little prog rock recording project, hope you guys like this: https://soundcloud.com/metamusique/sets/spatterlight

# ? Jan 22, 2017 18:44

Henchman of Santa: Aug 21, 2010

Jaki Liebezeit died.

# ? Jan 23, 2017 00:58

Rollersnake: May 9, 2005; Please, please don't let me end up in a threesome with the lunch lady and a gay pirate. That would hit a little too close to home.; Unlockable Ben

Noooooo.

# ? Jan 23, 2017 04:58

il_cornuto: Oct 10, 2004

If you like Riverside/Pain of Salvation/Haken style Prog Metal, Odd Logic recently released an album called Effigy and it's fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJzZedJlqRc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KtbApK1nc8

# ? Jan 24, 2017 23:17

RC and Moon Pie: May 5, 2011

It's me. I'm the one who keeps buying Rick Wakeman albums on vinyl.

But drat if Judas Iscariot might be the best thing he's ever done solo.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 06:24

Paladinus: Jan 11, 2014; heyHEYYYY!!!

Finally got to listen to the latest PoS. Really enjoyed the first and the last tracks on it, but everything else in between was very uneven for me. Tongue of God, Reasons, and If This Is the End are the only one that I can still somewhat recall. Not a bad album overall, but I'd still grade it a bit lower than Road Salt.

In other news, Ayreon's new single is predictably amazing. Hyped for Arjen's new project as always.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 14:32

Alehkhs: Oct 6, 2010; The Sorrow of Poets

The smoke is rising
The vision's getting clearer

It's nearly time for more Ayreon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFuMKdrzPqU

Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jan 27, 2017

# ? Jan 26, 2017 21:19

Tsaedje: May 11, 2007; BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

Aw Arjen always brings a smile to my face because he's so earnest about producing his goofy sci-fi prog without being at all pretentious. The captions on that video were charming as hell and I am totally down for another Ayreon album

# ? Jan 26, 2017 21:35

Wardhog: Nov 30, 2001

Apologies if this has already been covered, this is a pretty large thread and I haven't had time to read the whole thing, but does anyone know if Red Sparowes are still around or not and if we can expect anything from them in future? I loved The Fear Is Excruciating, as well as their earlier stuff.

Everything I've seen about them on their website and Wikipedia reads like they're still going, but it's been a loooooong time. Does anyone have any info?

# ? Jan 30, 2017 22:45

Vulture Culture: Jul 14, 2003; I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Alehkhs posted:

The smoke is rising
The vision's getting clearer

It's nearly time for more Ayreon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFuMKdrzPqU

Wow, James LaBrie sounds a lot like Jasper Steverlinck (from the Guilt Machine album) here.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 00:44

Iucounu: May 12, 2007

John Wetton has died.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 14:02

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Iucounu posted:

John Wetton has died.

Confirmed by Robert on FB.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1604497806232910&id=100000181177250

Godspeed, Mr. Wetton.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 14:11

Henchman of Santa: Aug 21, 2010

God dammit stop taking King Crimson vocalist/bassists! Wetton era best era.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 14:31

il_cornuto: Oct 10, 2004

Henchman of Santa posted:

God dammit stop taking King Crimson vocalist/bassists! Wetton era best era.

Agreed, the Wetton albums are the best. Starless is one of my three all-time favourite songs.

Guess I'm listening to King Crimson tonight.

Edit: for anyone who didn't know, the first version of Starless was written by Wetton.

il_cornuto fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jan 31, 2017

# ? Jan 31, 2017 17:07

Earwicker: Jan 6, 2003

I never liked Wetton's voice much though it has a certain rough appeal, but his heavy bass style was so great and such an essential part of the sound of those years.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 17:28

Rollersnake: May 9, 2005; Please, please don't let me end up in a threesome with the lunch lady and a gay pirate. That would hit a little too close to home.; Unlockable Ben

I was fortunate enough to see him perform with UK in 2012, and that's a memory I'll treasure always.

Here's the performance of Starless that gives me chills everytime. It had only made its live debut a few months prior to this, and would only get performed three more times before this lineup broke up. And you can hear an audience member ecstatically shout out at the beginning, "THEY'RE PLAYING STARLESS! ALRIIIIIIIGHT!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6eouGk11Ps

Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jan 31, 2017

# ? Jan 31, 2017 17:48

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

From DGM Live, Robert's comments on John Wetton's passing. Touching.

https://www.dgmlive.com/diaries/Robert%20Fripp/RF_diary_2017_Jan_31

# ? Jan 31, 2017 23:01

Beelzebozo: Nov 6, 2002; I don’t mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel. But I am, so that’s how it comes out.

Nova Collective are a new side project super group featuring Dan Briggs (bassist for Between the Buried and Me) as well as members of Haken, Cynic, and Trioscapes. Their debut album, The Further Side, releases on March 10th. But they've posted one track pre-release, and it is really awesome. Excited to hear the rest of the tape and thought some of you might enjoy this as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1WEIvyaTTY

# ? Feb 1, 2017 17:05

Vulture Culture: Jul 14, 2003; I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

I finally got around to listening to the last Riverside album, and jeez, is any prog band worse at using Autotune than these guys?

# ? Feb 1, 2017 18:59

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

BigFactory posted:

I hope we can all agree that Spock's beard is bad.

I liked that one song they did. I think it was the Doorway? Couldn't really get into much of their other stuff though.

# ? Feb 13, 2017 05:32

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

BigFactory posted:

I hope we can all agree that Spock's beard is bad.

I like that one song they did back in the 90s. I think it was called "The Doorway"? Was never able to get into much of their other stuff though.

# ? Feb 13, 2017 05:34

Iucounu: May 12, 2007

The entire album "V" is pretty good

# ? Feb 13, 2017 06:34

BigFactory: Sep 17, 2002

Good for nothin'!

# ? Feb 13, 2017 11:01

ANIME AKBAR: Jan 25, 2007; afu~

algebra testes posted:

Remedy Lane, yes . It, despite clearly being a concept album and dicking about with wack time signatures and polyrhythms is probably the least overtly proggy of all their stuff. It's also one of the few albums of theirs that I can engage with in more than an intellectual way. Also two thirds of the songs on the album have distinct personalities that I can actually recall and not just a whole bunch of samey prog stuff. And I'll be blunt there are probably a few legitimate hooks on that album which I really dig. And finally, when they do do something intellectual it actually comes in service of the music and not a "hey look how cool we are" kinda way.

I mean having said that, you may still not like it, but for those reasons it's my favourite album.

I don't hold the rest of the early stuff in high regard, and I haven't listened to them in ages. My memory of One Hour By The Concrete Lake is it's an example of everything I dislike about PoS in one album: dispassionate and intellectual music and subject matter. But man, New Years Eve is still one of my favourite songs of theirs.

PoS is the one prog band that actually justifies their concept albums. A lot of their stuff sounds super pretentious until you realize that they're not just playing random goofy instruments or writing lyrics about god. They develop their themes deeply, both with music and lyrics, and they form very coherent albums. The only exception I think is The Perfect Element, which had a really loose concept, but also had some of their best musical moments.

# ? Feb 13, 2017 15:33

Vulture Culture: Jul 14, 2003; I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

ANIME AKBAR posted:

PoS is the one prog band that actually justifies their concept albums. A lot of their stuff sounds super pretentious until you realize that they're not just playing random goofy instruments or writing lyrics about god. They develop their themes deeply, both with music and lyrics, and they form very coherent albums. The only exception I think is The Perfect Element, which had a really loose concept, but also had some of their best musical moments.

Daniel also has the emotionality to carry his concepts through execution, where most other singers just cannot pull off a song with lyrics like "Undertow".

# ? Feb 13, 2017 17:41

BigFactory: Sep 17, 2002

Vulture Culture posted:

Daniel also has the emotionality to carry his concepts through execution, where most other singers just cannot pull off a song with lyrics like "Undertow".

Yeah, those are terrible lyrics. You'd have to be a magician to make them work.

# ? Feb 13, 2017 17:52

deadwing: Mar 5, 2007

ANIME AKBAR posted:

PoS is the one prog band that actually justifies their concept albums. A lot of their stuff sounds super pretentious until you realize that they're not just playing random goofy instruments or writing lyrics about god.

Except for BE, a super pretentious album with random goofy instruments and lyrics about God

# ? Feb 13, 2017 17:54

Vulture Culture: Jul 14, 2003; I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

deadwing posted:

Except for BE, a super pretentious album with random goofy instruments and lyrics about God

The lyrics about God were the least bad parts of that album, though (that distinction undoubtedly goes to the monologue in the beginning of "Dea Pecuniae", then to Daniel's answering machine messages from fans)

# ? Feb 13, 2017 18:19

BigFactory: Sep 17, 2002

Here's Trey Anastasio's high school band playing hemispheres. Enjoy!

https://m.soundcloud.com/tthephishdjs/1982-12-07-hemispheres-space-antelope

# ? Feb 22, 2017 02:35

Seventh Arrow: Jan 26, 2005

2017 tour dates for King Crimson:

https://www.dgmlive.com/news/KC_Radical_Action_2017

13th June - Seattle, WA - Moore Theatre
15th June - Saratoga, CA - Mountain Winery
17th June - San Francisco, CA - to be confirmed
19th June - San Diego, CA - Humphrey's
21st June - Los Angeles, CA - to be confirmed
24th June - Denver, CO - to be confirmed
26th June - Minneapolis, MN - to be confirmed
28th June - Chicago, IL - Chicago Theatre
30th June - Rochester, NY - Kodak Hall
3rd July - Montreal QC -Montreal Jazz Festival
5th July - Toronto, ON - Massey Hall
7th July - Quebec, QC - to be confirmed
9th July - Red Bank, NJ - Count Basie Theatre
14th July - Mexico City - to be confirmed
15th July - Mexico City - to be confirmed

# ? Feb 23, 2017 15:48

BigFactory: Sep 17, 2002

No northeast US dates. That's weird.
Except rochester NY cause I can't read. Still, rochester is practically canadohio as far as getting there from places where people live.

BigFactory fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Feb 23, 2017

# ? Feb 23, 2017 16:26