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Lots of words not saying much. I thought it was odd that chaos/TM came in with a lurker case all of a sudden. At the same time, lynching someone who hadn't once posted was ok with me. I thought they were both scum after Mr. F!s flip, so I killed TM. One of you is scum. If I get lynched, town loses. It's funny having a 2-page game, but I'm honestly not going to go deep into this and argue with either of you. Make your choices. I'm not going to risk voting.
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Lots of words not saying much. you should argue your point, because if you're really town, it will win us the game rather than lose us the game. do you not think that post I quoted was weird? he comes out with a strong town read on you for something he would do as scum.
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Mar 2, 2017 19:06
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windshipper posted:Pretty sure we oughta ignore this role PM crap and do this instead: windshipper posted:To clarify - I think it's highly likely he's town. First one is, "poo poo, I slipped. Let's get off that track." Second is, "gently caress, I know he's town but I need to come up with a rambling answer to justify my call." I didn't look carefully at his responses yesterday, but now that I know one of you is scum, this stuff stands out. Stiiiilll not gonna vote though lol
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Votecount for Day 2 Not Voting (3): this is a stickup, Tobbs Gnawed, windshipperWith 3 alive, it's 2 votes to execute. The current deadline is March 02nd, 2017 at 11:33 p.m. EST -- that's in about 5 hours, 20 minutes.
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Mar 3, 2017 00:12
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:First one is, "poo poo, I slipped. Let's get off that track." lol I've been quiet because I had to give a 3 hour lecture last night, help my parents out on their horse farm this morning, and just got home to see my wife earlier today. ANYWAYS Tobbs Gnawed posted:Giving this a second look, nothing had been posted that matches the actual town wincon. This is incorrect. Tobbs Gnawed posted:I win when there are no threats to TOWN but it doesn't explicitly say that I am town-aligned. You yourself posted that. You're stretching mightily in order to try and build a case because you're stuck and not sure how to win the game. In addition to that, Tobbs Gnawed posted:First one is, "poo poo, I slipped. Let's get off that track." For your first point I present these posts - I argue against focusing on the role PM crap because of these points I make windshipper posted:Thoughts on Tired Moritz? I don't trust a player to be town until I see cardflip. I think they might be more likely town than no, but I'm not gonna dismiss anyone as not being scum until it's confirmed. In addition, as I told you in a prior post - That whole spiel about you trying to break the game doesn't work past the first one or maybe two players who confirm their win condition. And that's assuming the scum don't have the proper town fake claim in the first place. Oh yeah and I killed chaoslord.
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Mar 3, 2017 00:17
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Combine the case you've built, the massive stretches you've made in it, along with your response to me asking what your thoughts on tired moritz are, and I'm certain you're scum.
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Mar 3, 2017 00:18
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I would argue that Tobbs as scum was in fact given a town fake claim that was exactly as I predicted:windshipper posted:That's a dumb line of thinking. Do you not think mafia would receive a fake role PM just in case? windshipper posted:Lol that's not a hint bro. He outright said it. You noticed that win condition and that there was no alignment, and made that move to try and confirm yourself as town, coast the rest of the game. In addition, when pressed for an opinion - Tobbs Gnawed posted:This pings me a little. The description in the OP talks about eliminating scum, but the actual role PM doesn't mention them. You give a vague response that allows you to wiffle waffle. Tobbs Gnawed posted:Maybe I was reading into him too much, but when he says "I have a pro town win condition so I am town" it makes me think of the sample VT role PM in the OP, where it's mentioned that scum need to be eliminated. And this one again allows you to back out. You offer no opinions on anyone the rest of the game. Then we come to today and you come out hard with a case that is a stretch at best.
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Mar 3, 2017 00:23
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but like, literally, it's the second post you make in the game. You state the win condition "You win when there are no threats to TOWN" Which honestly should be modkillable for quoting role PM crap but that's neither here nor there.
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Mar 3, 2017 00:27
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Also, I'm wondering if you weren't mod killed for pulling that poo poo specifically because you are the only scum in the game. Normally that would be grounds to modkill a townie doing that poo poo because it does effectively make them confirmed town in a lot of cases. In addition to all of this - If I were scum I would have killed you last night because you had made yourself so townie looking. You would be the one person I wouldn't want to be up against in end game. Yet, you're alive. Why?
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Mar 3, 2017 00:33
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Come on... 4 hours to go. Where is everyone? 
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Mar 3, 2017 00:51
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Well that's easy. Either scum doesn't have a NK, or you're scum. ##vote windshipper Up to you sticky lol
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Mar 3, 2017 01:22
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Well that's easy. Either scum doesn't have a NK, or you're scum. Anomalous Amalgam posted:chaoslord, TOWN aligned Vanilla Vigilante, has died.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:24
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Why did you kill Tired Moritz?
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Mar 3, 2017 01:24
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Also also, ##vote Tobbs Gnawed By the way, why are you still alive? And you haven't responded to any of my points or anything I've said, much less make any effort to counter what I responded to you with.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:25
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Like, I'd think my reaction to Chaoslord explains perfectly well why I tried to kill him. Especially with him jumping into the thread the way he did. Also right now I have a fear I'm wrong and it's this is a stickup. Especially now that I realize you killed Tired Moritz - I missed that post from the beginning of the day. This is a Stickup stating that he tried to kill chaoslord and his gun jammed is just.... fishy now. poo poo. In any case, scum would want to leave chaoslord alive given what he did yesterday, so I suppose I believe it. But you are definitely someone they would want dead - unless you are the scum.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:28
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I don't really see a need for it. I killed TM, you killed chaoslord. I know you're scum, so stickers gets to pick. He can win the game for town by voting you, or he can lose it by voting me. I already said why I killed TM anyways, it's odd that you'd spit out 800 posts without seeing that.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:29
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I don't really see a need for it. I killed TM, you killed chaoslord. *shrug* I skimmed to catch up, saw your arguments against me, laughed. Dude, you posted the goddamn win condition in your second post. You built your case around that for the most part. You're stretching for a case by picking the person with the highest post count, which means it's the person you could try to pick apart the most since there's more there than anyone else. Even your whole, "poo poo I slipped" thing is built around you claiming to have not posted the win condition WHICH YOU POSTED AND WAS CONFIRMED IN MY OWN ROLE PM. lol
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Mar 3, 2017 01:31
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windshipper posted:Like, I'd think my reaction to Chaoslord explains perfectly well why I tried to kill him. Especially with him jumping into the thread the way he did. Yeah, if you were town then you wouldn't be concerned about stickup. I killed TM, you killed chaoslord. One of us used a NK, the other our 1-shot vig. There's 0% chance sticky is scum.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:32
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You tried to pick what you thought would be an easy target to argue as scum (since you are scum) and it's loving funny.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:32
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windshipper posted:*shrug* I skimmed to catch up, saw your arguments against me, laughed. ??? The wincon I quoted was from the OP, it's not the same as what AA gave town in their role PMs.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:33
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Yeah, if you were town then you wouldn't be concerned about stickup. I killed TM, you killed chaoslord. One of us used a NK, the other our 1-shot vig. If I was town I would be concerned about sticky temporarily. Tired Moritz is a smart target to choose as scum because he's a non-factor more or less one way or the other, people would argue he could be town because he's just "him" - and in addition to that Stickup pointed out that he's kind of townie because that's just how people respond to him. That then leads to scum being able to kill him and pass it off as a vig shot because they were "suspicious" of him. Meanwhile, yesterday you had no goddamn opinion on him at all other than some waffle-ing. You never posted why you thought he was scum other than some vague fingerwaving in his general direction. Then you jump on a lurker lynch.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:34
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You win when there are no more threats to TOWN. That is the win condition I have received.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:35
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I win when there are no threats to TOWN but it doesn't explicitly say that I am town-aligned. THIS is what you posted. The same goddamn win condition.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:36
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Read the goddamn posts I made you imbecile. Stop flailing.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:36
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If you can convince sticky to vote me (or he doesn't vote) you win. You can't convince me that you're not scum, though. You admitted to performing the NK.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:38
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:If you can convince sticky to vote me (or he doesn't vote) you win. I admitted to vigilante killing chaoslord, yes. Why would I kill him if I were scum? He'd be GREAT to keep around in end game. Think through your stretchy argument. Also, do you deny that you posted the town win condition?
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P sure the best slip of yours is just now where you thought stick was scum. If you were town and killed chaos with a vig, you'd think my kill was a NK. Going after anyone else (and pretending you didn't see that I killed TM) is fatal for you. I'm confident stick will win this for us.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:41
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:P sure the best slip of yours is just now where you thought stick was scum. I actually didn't see you claimed that kill, no. I skimmed the thread when I got back because I was also working on my 3 hour lecture for Monday night. That gave me a moment of hesitation as I was thinking it through, and then realized what I posted about TM being a great choice as a nightkill as scum for you. Hence the train of thought post. Again, why would I kill chaoslord as scum?
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Mar 3, 2017 01:43
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One last question I would LOVE for you to answer- Why are you still alive?
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Mar 3, 2017 01:44
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And do you deny posting the town win condition?Tobbs Gnawed posted:I win when there are no threats to TOWN but it doesn't explicitly say that I am town-aligned.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:47
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windshipper posted:And do you deny posting the town win condition? Dude several words in the wincon are different. What you keep posting is paraphrased.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:50
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I'm alive because you didn't kill me. Maybe you thought we had a rapport D1 and you thought you could convince me stickers was scum?
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Mar 3, 2017 01:51
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Dude several words in the wincon are different. What you keep posting is paraphrased. That is, word for word, what I received in my role PM. Just replace "I" with "you". And remove all the poo poo about "but it doesn't..." And again, as scum, why would I kill Chaoslord?
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windshipper posted:That is, word for word, what I received in my role PM. Just replace "I" with "you". And remove all the poo poo about "but it doesn't..." So you could justify your kill as a vig? Sticky chose the same target so the person you need to convince was with you there. Smart!
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Mar 3, 2017 02:00
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Why did you kill Tired Moritz? Link me or argue it here, whatever. Doesn't matter.
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Mar 3, 2017 02:06
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Lots of words not saying much.
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Mar 3, 2017 02:08
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If I unvote you, will you unvote me?
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Mar 3, 2017 02:14
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I'm starting to have second thoughts. I'm worried that I got hosed by the mod.
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Mar 3, 2017 02:14
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windshipper posted:If I unvote you, will you unvote me? I don't know when stick is gonna show up. I know you're scum. If we no-lynch, we lose. So no I'm not unvoting you.
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We've got like what, 3 hours or some poo poo? My wife is gonna be home in somewhere between half an hour to an hour, and at that point wherever my vote is, it stays. I want to talk this through. I'm worried we got played and I got hosed by the mod.
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