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i'm okay with starting from zero, but i almost rather they not give it more then the bare minimum justification. the more complex the explanation, the more questions it begs i wonder if the soulbound weapon mechanic will make a return or not
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AriadneThread posted:i'm okay with starting from zero, but i almost rather they not give it more then the bare minimum justification. the more complex the explanation, the more questions it begs They've said that soulbound items will make a return, yes.
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Mar 4, 2017 18:38
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Fan favourite? Looks like the Disappointer will make its glorious return. 
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Mar 4, 2017 18:44
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I honestly don't care about items carrying over, but all the pets I adopted in PoE need to make it into the sequel. This is non-negotiable.  Avalerion posted:Levels are always going to be a problem for a mostly non linear rpg, unless you do level scaling which people seem to hate even more. Dick Burglar posted:Druid shapeshifts are complete garbage in BG games, though? The wolves must have their revenge. Wizard Styles fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Mar 4, 2017 18:59
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AriadneThread posted:i'm okay with starting from zero, but i almost rather they not give it more then the bare minimum justification. the more complex the explanation, the more questions it begs I just thought "everything got destroyed" was explanation enough If Eder's Saint's War armor comes back, I durganized it
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Mar 4, 2017 19:03
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I just thought "everything got destroyed" was explanation enough yeah, i was responding to the thing about the treasury being spent to buy the boat
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Mar 4, 2017 19:05
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AriadneThread posted:yeah, i was responding to the thing about the treasury being spent to buy the boat Right right just agreein'
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Mar 4, 2017 19:16
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The "treasury being spent to buy a ship" thing bothers me because I'm one of those insane assholes who ended PoE1 with 100k spare gold just laying around. I'd be much happier if the explanation involved using funds to also fix Caed Nua, because I don't feel comfortable just leaving that huge-rear end hole of The Endless Paths and other assorted wreckage just singing to the open air.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:21
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Power Bottom posted:The "treasury being spent to buy a ship" thing bothers me because I'm one of those insane assholes who ended PoE1 with 100k spare gold just laying around. I'd be much happier if the explanation involved using funds to also fix Caed Nua, because I don't feel comfortable just leaving that huge-rear end hole of The Endless Paths and other assorted wreckage just singing to the open air. https://www.quora.com/Maritime-Piracy-How-much-would-it-cost-to-build-a-full-size-pirate-ship
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Mar 4, 2017 19:25
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I think it's fair to assume that some of the treasury got blasted to smithereens and she just sold whatever the saleable remainder was to get a ship.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:29
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:https://www.quora.com/Maritime-Piracy-How-much-would-it-cost-to-build-a-full-size-pirate-ship Much of those exorbitant costs are because of lost knowledge and modernization though, which wouldn't be the case in PoE II.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:38
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Colonial Air Force posted:Much of those exorbitant costs are because of lost knowledge and modernization though, which wouldn't be the case in PoE II. I think it's fair to assume that lost knowledge (and dwindling lumber resources etc) is more than made up for by efficiencies from automation. Like, I'm sure that it is dramatically cheaper today to manufacture cannon, even period replica cannon, than it was then, and cannon were by far the most expensive part of a period warship.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:53
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Samuel Clemens posted:Fan favourite? Looks like the Disappointer will make its glorious return. Whichever backer of PoE1 originally came up with that concept is a hero.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:55
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It should have had something like the unlabored blade going for it though.  Blood legacy question, about to decide to how deal with Harond. Don't think it gets spelled out, but is it safe to assume Aelys was an unwilling participant in his "scheme"?
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Mar 4, 2017 19:58
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Avalerion posted:It should have had something like the unlabored blade going for it though. It sortof does. You can get everything to give it basic Accuracy enchant in the first couple maps, and if you do that, you've got a magical gun for all of act 1, when guns are otherwise unavailable. Avalerion posted:
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think it's fair to assume that lost knowledge (and dwindling lumber resources etc) is more than made up for by efficiencies from automation. Like, I'm sure that it is dramatically cheaper today to manufacture cannon, even period replica cannon, than it was then, and cannon were by far the most expensive part of a period warship. It isn't, and there are far fewer manufacturers now. The harder part is in the woodwork. There are some documentaries (mostly in French) about the building of L'Hermione recently that explain it better than I can. That cost aobut $22m I think. HMS Victory (which is about 4 times the size of Hermione) cost £63,176 in 1765. I don't know how that money equates to PoE money, in today's terms it's about £50m, and that's cheaper than Hermione given the size difference.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:05
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, I'm pretty sure the cipher options spell this out. Alright, that makes this easy then. 
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Mar 4, 2017 20:08
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Colonial Air Force posted:It isn't, and there are far fewer manufacturers now. The harder part is in the woodwork. There are some documentaries (mostly in French) about the building of L'Hermione recently that explain it better than I can. That cost aobut $22m I think. Ok, sounds like you've actually crunched the numbers and I'm just talking out my butt here so I'll defer. Hrm. If assume a PoE "gold piece" is roughly a pound, at the end of my last run I had something like 100k spare gold lying around, which would be, like, 1/500th the value of that 50m number, or slightly less than double that 63k period number. We probably could calculate the estimated value of a PoE gold piece by using the item prices -- compare the cost of a suit of "Exceptional" plate armor, etc. It would be grognardy hairsplitting though.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:19
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, sounds like you've actually crunched the numbers and I'm just talking out my butt here so I'll defer. Good thing the base specie in the Dyrwood and all surrounding territories is copper. 
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Mar 4, 2017 20:25
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rope kid posted:Good thing the base specie in the Dyrwood and all surrounding territories is copper. ziing but actually yes because fantasy games traditionally inflate the amount of gold in the game world by ridiculous amounts even if you posit functional alchemy, dwarf mining, etc.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:27
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Listen I just want my mind control monocle to come back.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:58
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as bespectacled american i hope poe2 features a wider variety of eyewear you know, to wear into the middle of combat like a totally sane person
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Mar 4, 2017 21:10
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AriadneThread posted:as bespectacled american i hope poe2 features a wider variety of eyewear On a critical failure, ydwin drops her glasses and fumbles around for them like Velma
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Mar 4, 2017 21:17
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Once you've decided not to wear a helmet, whether you're wearing glasses or not is pretty unimportant.
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Mar 4, 2017 21:19
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it was a self-depricating joke
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Mar 4, 2017 21:24
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, sounds like you've actually crunched the numbers and I'm just talking out my butt here so I'll defer. And for the record, I don't actually care if "somehow" I've lost all my money, or got swindled on some ship. I just like  about the age of sail and accounting.
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Mar 4, 2017 21:25
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The Steward ripped you off on the boat so she could use the extra copper to melt down and create a new moving vessel for her now that her castle is blown up.
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Mar 4, 2017 21:26
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, sounds like you've actually crunched the numbers and I'm just talking out my butt here so I'll defer. 6cp for a Beer and 12-18 for a basic meal (Chicken or Stew), so depending on where you live in the world you could say a copper is equal to $0.5 to $1. Some figures for the cost of food in 18th century London are around 3 pence for a meal of stew, beer and bread or 1d for a quart of beer then we have 12 pence to the shilling and 20 shillings to the pound. So a £63,176 ship might be roughly equal to ((63,176*20*12)/3 = ~5.2 million meals). If we want to convert that to Dyrwood copper then maybe we say a meal is Stew (18cp) + Beer (6cp) or 24cp or 124 million copper, or if we use the chicken then 93 million copper... In that case you could have afforded around 1/930th to 1/1240th of a boat with your spare cash... If you use some of the other estimates of a meal in the 18th century 1 shilling for a Steakhouse meal covering food, drink and tip then (63,176x20 = 1,26 million) and convert it via Dyrwood meals then it's 20-30million copper for the Boat and you have 1/300-1/200th of the price of building that boat in your 100k copper... So it seems reasonable that a second hand boat wiped out your treasury even after a few more years of increasing it and the steward may have been a pretty impressive bargainer. Aeonsim fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Dick Burglar posted:Druid shapeshifts are complete garbage in BG games, though? Get the super over powered shapeshifter fix mod that changes the werewolf from useless to game breaking. Actually the Avenger kit's shapeshifting is useful for the first half of BG2.
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Aeonsim posted:6cp for a Beer and 12-18 for a basic meal (Chicken or Stew), so depending on where you live in the world you could say a copper is equal to $0.5 to $1. Nice! Although, I doubt very much we're getting HMS Victory. I couldn't find any figures for smaller ships, but I probably have some at home. I'd wager about 1/4-1/5 the cost based on a frigate or so.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It sortof does. You can get everything to give it basic Accuracy enchant in the first couple maps, and if you do that, you've got a magical gun for all of act 1, when guns are otherwise unavailable. I got Forgiveness like ten minutes after I enchanted The Disappointer.
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Mar 4, 2017 21:42
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Skwirl posted:I got Forgiveness like ten minutes after I enchanted The Disappointer. Yeah, by the time you meet the level requirements for enchanting The Disappointer, you can just grab that better unique with no out of pocket cost. Added bonus is that you can then pick up a grip of (enchanted?) arquebuses from that group in Copperlane trying to avenge that Doemenel you murk.
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Mar 4, 2017 21:59
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Skwirl posted:I got Forgiveness like ten minutes after I enchanted The Disappointer. I don't mean like enchant to fine. I mean literally by the time you first see the hanging tree you should or at least can have everything you need for "accurate 1". That's all it takes to wipe "terrible." If you're past maerwald yeah no point.
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Mar 4, 2017 22:11
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I don't mean like enchant to fine. I mean literally by the time you first see the hanging tree you should or at least can have everything you need for "accurate 1". That's all it takes to wipe "terrible." How do you get Xaurip tongues before the hanging tree?
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Mar 4, 2017 22:18
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I don't mean like enchant to fine. I mean literally by the time you first see the hanging tree you should or at least can have everything you need for "accurate 1". That's all it takes to wipe "terrible." Doesn't that not work anymore?
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Mar 4, 2017 22:25
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Skwirl posted:How do you get Xaurip tongues before the hanging tree? There are a few on that first map with the bear cave, also a xaurip in cilant list who sometimes drops one. You might have to grab the mushrooms next to the tree but I've done this probably five or six times, it's very doable. Sometimes you have to do damaging 1 instead depending.
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GlyphGryph posted:Doesn't that not work anymore? I did it three weeks ago
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Mar 4, 2017 22:27
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Colonial Air Force posted:Nice! Yeah if you look at the costs of some of the smaller 50 gun ships of the line from the 18th century ( HMS Salisbury, HMS Gloucester etc) they seemed to be priced in the range of £10,000 to £16,000. Which is about a 6th the amount so that 100k copper is 1/120 or 1/30th of the cost depending on your exact set of assumptions, and those boats may well be twice the size of what the game will have...
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Aeonsim posted:Yeah if you look at the costs of some of the smaller 50 gun ships of the line from the 18th century ( HMS Salisbury, HMS Gloucester etc) they seemed to be priced in the range of £10,000 to £16,000. Which is about a 6th the amount so that 100k copper is 1/120 or 1/30th of the cost depending on your exact set of assumptions, and those boats may well be twice the size of what the game will have... Plus, presumably it's a used ship from Stan's, so we can knock some more off the price. 
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I like the idea of a few items from the first game being retrievable (Stormcaller, Little Saviour, Bittercut, Sanguine Plate, Maegfolc Skull). The idea of having the disappointer as PoE's Golden Pantaloons is cool too - even the description kinda fits it:quote:The Disappointer was touted as a powerful, reliable weapon, but it has consistently failed every one of its unfortunate owners. Maybe after hauling it around in your backpack for the first game and never using it it becomes soul-bound in a way.
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