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Quidthulhu posted:Someone got real mad at me the last time I did that :\ They need to be real.
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Quidthulhu posted:Someone got real mad at me the last time I did that :\ Last time you did it was in game that was 90% solved and you kept dropping revelations that were already made. You won't have that issue here. Not that I had a problem with it then either.
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Mar 12, 2017 04:46
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Quidthulhu posted:OK, the reread begins NOW. Where do I start, someone give me a place to begin You're not, like, waiting for someone to name a place to begin, are you? 
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Mar 12, 2017 07:47
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Yeah, reading Tobbs again, I'm not feeling him for scum, sorry. I don't find his play now and his play in the space game similar here.
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Mar 12, 2017 16:57
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Also ##vote grandi for now.
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Mar 12, 2017 17:01
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BottleKnight posted:Rarity replacing out is the tiebreaker for me. ##vote rarity I like your case on the whole but I don't think the replacing out is such a big deal. Rarity does like playing scum so I have a hard time seeing her giving that up but if life is busy life is busy. Replacements are usually null tells unless it's like, meinberg. That said, I won't vote stickup based on a Rarity case from D1. Stickup posts enough that a good read based on their own merits will be possible imo.
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Mar 12, 2017 17:07
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Oh, yeah, you're right. Tobbs I am interested in this post. Stickup makes a pretty good meta case on both you and MMT. You love meta and acknowledge that you believe stickup is correct. In your next post you declare MMT to be town. Why do you believe her to be town?
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Mar 12, 2017 17:18
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Also these two posts made me laugh, emphasis mineTobbs Gnawed posted:Same reasons as yesterday. Keane believing AA but still pushing him is icing on the meta cake. Tobbs Gnawed posted:Lol you're really wrong. After that stupid, stupid D1 though town is hosed so you may as well get rid of me.
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Mar 12, 2017 17:47
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I forgot and fell asleep  I'll read now!
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Mar 12, 2017 18:22
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Grandicap posted:I agree with Keane here. AA's followups to the claim were lovely and cagey and scummy. Grandicap posted:I'm reading AA's meltdown as a town meltdown. Won't vote there unless I have to when the day ends. Grandicap posted:I think AA was an easy vote. There really wasn't another option put forward and noone was pushing for other options. The reaction to your pushing on the role stuff was awkward, but we know he flipped scum, so who cares. I think your reaction to it was genuine. I'm going to look at Hats today I think. And relook at Max which was my read from yesterday. I'll agree with Max. The timing of the second post, in particular, is relevant here, since AA was looking like the likely target and scum would be interested in avoiding a hammer.
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Mar 12, 2017 18:41
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I think Chaos' and MMT's take on Tobbs is sound as well. I'd be comfortable voting either Grand or Tobbs today.
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Mar 12, 2017 18:41
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chaoslord posted:Tobbs I am interested in this post. Stickup makes a pretty good meta case on both you and MMT. You love meta and acknowledge that you believe stickup is correct. In your next post you declare MMT to be town. Why do you believe her to be town? I don't see her play as scummy. That, and scum MMT tries really hard, and I'm not seeing it this game.
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Mar 12, 2017 18:55
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Does Tobbs read like someone who is comfortable sharing information or someone who is nervous getting caught in a lie?Murmur Twin posted:What are your opinions of me, Max, and Keane so far? Tobbs Gnawed posted:Max town, you town, Keane scum. I ask for reads, he gives his answers without any further explanations. Murmur Twin posted:Were you going to explain why or do you need me to ask you first? Tobbs Gnawed posted:Same reasons as yesterday. Keane believing AA but still pushing him is icing on the meta cake. I ask for clarification - he answers that his read on Keane is the same as the one from yesterday without anything to it. He doesn't address his reads on me, Max, Quid, or stickup. Murmur Twin posted:How is Max's posting this game different from how you think he might post as scum? Tobbs Gnawed posted:Doesn't smell fishy. Scum Max has a fish smell and I'm not smelling it. I ask Tobbs why he has a town read on Max and he gives a relative non-answer. chaoslord posted:Tobbs I am interested in this post. Stickup makes a pretty good meta case on both you and MMT. You love meta and acknowledge that you believe stickup is correct. In your next post you declare MMT to be town. Why do you believe her to be town? Tobbs Gnawed posted:I don't see her play as scummy. I'd like to think I try hard regardless of alignment? And I feel like I've been putting a reasonable amount of effort into this game - it's just that I feel like I've nailed scum so I'm focusing my questions in one direction. Again, if Tobbs was town, he'd be fighting back against me because from his point of view I'd be trying to drive a mislynch on him. If anything, I think he would have at least brought up that I claimed a vig on the NK target last night and that it would, on some level, inform his opinion of me. His answer to this reads like he knows my alignment and doesn't want to argue that I'm scum when he knows I'm not. Also Max - is there anything specifically in this post that you think I'm wrong about so far?
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Mar 12, 2017 21:35
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chaoslord posted:Also these two posts made me laugh, emphasis mine Don't forget the posts where Tobbs refers to a recent game where he was scum and then forgets about the same game when Stickup correctly points out that he's playing this one similarly.
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Mar 12, 2017 21:51
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Oh lol, I forgot you claimed the vig. No scum motivation to do that (and if the flavor happens again you're probably a serial killer). So yeah, you're almost certainly town. If you guys think I'm scum for meta reasons, eliminate me. I'm not, but we are in super bad shape so it's hard to really fight when everyone playing wants me dead. What's the point? Also, I'm almost never lynched when I'm scum, because I play differently (better). When I'm town people always want to lynch me. I should probably play better but meh. I will flip VT. We will probably lose. Who cares when we're this far behind?
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Mar 12, 2017 21:57
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Oh lol, I forgot you claimed the vig. No scum motivation to do that (and if the flavor happens again you're probably a serial killer). So you made an alignment call on me without reading my posts first? Tobbs Gnawed posted:I will flip VT. We will probably lose. Who cares when we're this far behind? It's D2 and we mislynched town D1 and there was a NK on town N1, which is how like 99% of Mafia games start. If you're so afraid we're going to lose, why not try and find a better case on someone than the case on you?
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Mar 12, 2017 22:00
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Murmur Twin posted:It's D2 and we mislynched town D1 and there was a NK on town N1, which is how like 99% of Mafia games start. Mafia edit - oh right, we're down 3 town so I guess the above point isn't accurate. My bad!
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Mar 12, 2017 22:02
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Oh lol, I forgot you claimed the vig. No scum motivation to do that (and if the flavor happens again you're probably a serial killer). wowie
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Mar 12, 2017 22:02
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(ps I like Tobbs a lot as a player and think he's a Cool Dude and hope he doesn't think I'm being a jerk by pushing for him this much  )
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Mar 12, 2017 22:06
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MMT what's your hottest take on Grand?
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Mar 12, 2017 22:07
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Yeah, no, this reads like town Tobbs. MMT, I don't think he'd be going after you for trying to drive a mislunch on him if he also thinks your town, just wrong. Also he usually does this defeatist thing as town. Also, lol, AA still have more posts in this thread than anyone else.
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Mar 12, 2017 22:09
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paging quidnose, who is scum
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Mar 12, 2017 22:24
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got some chores tonight posted:paging quidnose, who is scum Mmmm yeah, I agree with this.
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Mar 12, 2017 22:24
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What's the most up to date quid meta? I thought he didn't really catch up on games or play mafia regardless of alignment
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Mar 12, 2017 22:27
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Dude at least bulldogs someone, even if it's a quick hot take when he's town.
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Mar 12, 2017 22:28
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CCKeane posted:MMT what's your hottest take on Grand? At this point, I don't think I can give Grandi an unbiased read because I've all but locked up Max and Tobbs as scumbros in my mind. The fact that Max is saying he doesn't see how Tobbs is being scummy (when at the end of Avantian Courier he admitted that he agreed with my read on Tobbs but didn't speak up because he wasn't town) and is instead pushing for Grandi makes me think that scum sees Grandi as the best town on which to try and drive a mislynch. I don't see anything out of the ordinary with Grandi's posting this game, so based purely on his posts I'd say I have a null read. He's not making a ton of cases or anything but at this moment in time I can give him leeway given that most of D2 has happened over a weekend
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Mar 12, 2017 22:34
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Mar 12, 2017 22:35
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Grandicap posted:Odd reaction to a non event. Do not like. Grandicap posted:I agree with Keane here. AA's followups to the claim were lovely and cagey and scummy. This is what originally pinged me about him. He laid down a vote on me early on, didn't say much else, and then only popped up again to comment on what looked like the next train forming. Grandicap posted:I'm still voting Max based on a tone argument, and I think it still stands. I don't like his flippant call out of my vote on him either. I am also aware I will not be around enough to push that case, so if I still feel that way tomorrow, I will do more heavy lifting then. He never really expanded on what Tone he was talking about, and was ignoring a lot of other stuff that had happened Day 1 to stick with a weak "Tone argument." Keane pointed this out, but he was also cleverly removing himself from the responsibility of having to hammer. Grandicap posted:##vote stickup And then I guess drops his suspicion on me or doesn't care enough to keep pushing this case. I'm not sure how you could look at that and get just a null read on him.
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Mar 12, 2017 22:48
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this is a stickup posted:throw in BK and that's the scum team i want to join the mmt - stickers alliance
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Mar 12, 2017 22:53
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Max posted:This is what originally pinged me about him. He laid down a vote on me early on, didn't say much else, and then only popped up again to comment on what looked like the next train forming. I'm not saying I'm sure he's town, more that I think there are more suspicious people out there right now so I feel like I can reserve judgement on Grandoni until he posts more. Max - do you acknowledge that Tobbs (a) normally makes lots of cases and throws his vote around, and (b) has only made a single case this game on Keane and hasn't budged from it? Simple yes or no question here.
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Tobbs normally does throw votes but he also throws a lot of alignment calls out there. I dunno what to tell you here though, I know what scum Tobbs normally looks like. He gets really aggressive and fights back against almost every accusation. This just doesn't look or feel like scum Tobbs to me. Half jokingly, Tobbs absolutely salivates at the idea of one day either voting scum me out or NK'ing me since that has yet to be reciprocated in our history together. I really think I would have been the NK last night if he had any say in it.
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Mar 12, 2017 23:09
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Max posted:Tobbs normally does throw votes but he also throws a lot of alignment calls out there. I dunno what to tell you here though, I know what scum Tobbs normally looks like. He gets really aggressive and fights back against almost every accusation. This just doesn't look or feel like scum Tobbs to me. Technically we won against you in Avantian courier, though the odds were a bit stacked in our favor. If you read scum doc I had you pegged as ninja BP sk.
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Max posted:Tobbs normally does throw votes but he also throws a lot of alignment calls out there. I dunno what to tell you here though, I know what scum Tobbs normally looks like. He gets really aggressive and fights back against almost every accusation. This just doesn't look or feel like scum Tobbs to me. this game, tobbs has not thrown alignment calls out there except when badgered, and even then with nothing to back them up despite it being talked about in the thread. now he's posting about other games again instead of addressing the issues brought up. defeatist tobbs is town tobbs, but tobbs, as a meta maniac, knows very well that his town meta is to be defeatist. in light of the rest of his meta being spot on, I'm not willing to straight up call him town just due to a defeatist post or two.
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got some chores tonight posted:i want to join the mmt - stickers alliance we are always allied, in my heart
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Max - do you acknowledge that Tobbs (a) normally makes lots of cases and throws his vote around, and (b) has only made a single case this game on Keane and hasn't budged from it? please only answer with the words "yes" or "no". you may also emptyquote this post for yes, or brokenquote it for no.
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this is a stickup posted:this game, tobbs has not thrown alignment calls out there except when badgered, and even then with nothing to back them up despite it being talked about in the thread. now he's posting about other games again instead of addressing the issues brought up. yes this is scum tobbs with a bit more sophistication but scum nonetheless
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Mar 12, 2017 23:52
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i never want to read the word meta again
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Mar 13, 2017 00:17
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I feel Max is likelier to be scum than Tobbs? Like, there's a universe where Tobbs is actually town and Max is scum, but the other way round I think is less likely. ##vote max
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Pinterest Mom posted:I feel Max is likelier to be scum than Tobbs? Like, there's a universe where Tobbs is actually town and Max is scum, but the other way round I think is less likely. You're wrong.
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