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give me make over maven anyday let me download and manage my own dependencies I hate having to manually manage my maven repository because a project won't build with an updated dependency and I have, on my computer, the best version of the dependency to build the project
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on a similar vein, I dislike pip and npm too but all of this is the wave of the future like systemd, so I have to work with it rather than avoid it completely so what about them desktop linuxes huh
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el dorito posted:give me make over maven anyday lol
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el dorito posted:give me make over maven anyday You know you can specify the version of the dependency, right? You can even make it a property so you can override it in child projects if you have to. I literally do not understand how you could ever have this issue.
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el dorito posted:give me make over maven anyday dude the whole point of maven is that you specify the best version for your project in your pom and then you always get exactly that version. there is no situation in which you will ever get a different version than the one you specified in the pom. it will not download a newer version unless you tell it to by editing the pom. unless you're doing something dumb like depending on snapshots. don't do that.
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using snapshots makes sense if they are your snapshots from your other projects
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el dorito posted:on a similar vein, I dislike pip and npm too my man have you heard about gentoo
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el dorito posted:give me make over maven anyday as a c++ programmer, let me just say 'gently caress you'
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Beldantazar posted:You know you can specify the version of the dependency, right? You can even make it a property so you can override it in child projects if you have to. I literally do not understand how you could ever have this issue. Soricidus posted:dude the whole point of maven is that you specify the best version for your project in your pom and then you always get exactly that version. there is no situation in which you will ever get a different version than the one you specified in the pom. it will not download a newer version unless you tell it to by editing the pom. suffice it to say that I can't check in pom changes also, I'm just using maven, I'm not writing these config files and it's been a confusing time trying to figure out if a configuration item was being honored or was ignored. like I said, I bet I'll have to learn it inside and out but make is much more straightforward
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Tankakern posted:my man have you heard about gentoo this will never stop being funny fritz posted:as a c++ programmer, let me just say 'gently caress you' works for me you're using maven for c++? are you generating native code or something?
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el dorito posted:suffice it to say that I can't check in pom changes if you're in a position where you've been given hosed-up broken build files that you cannot fix, how would it help for the hosed-up broken build files that you cannot fix to be called Makefile instead of pom.xml? also your make scenario becomes a nightmare as soon as you don't already have the right dependencies lying around. if you don't then make sure isn't going to help you identify the right version and download it and install it in the right location! unlike maven, which does exactly that, if your pom isn't broken.
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Soricidus posted:if you're in a position where you've been given hosed-up broken build files that you cannot fix, how would it help for the hosed-up broken build files that you cannot fix to be called Makefile instead of pom.xml? different strokes, each system has its own flaws. The only thing I was bringing up was the auto downloading of dependencies and trying to get maven to just use a different, local version of a file. I'm not advocating that everyone must stop using maven and use Makefiles, I'm just identifying an issue that was particularly irksome and that it took too long for me to get maven to make sense. If I was building my project fine now, I should be able to build it fine later if I'm just updating my own code. I'd rather not have to interrupt my thought process to figure out why my build suddenly broke. Your "nightmare scenario" happens if I'm merging, which really is just what I could expect and I'm ok with. I've been doing this awhile and it works out.
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el dorito posted:If I was building my project fine now, I should be able to build it fine later if I'm just updating my own code. maven does exactly this, though.
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el dorito posted:
no im using cmake and dependency management in c and c++ is hell and has always been hell and at this rate will always be hell
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fritz posted:no im using cmake and dependency management in c and c++ is hell and has always been hell and at this rate will always be hell very true
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the only flaw in maven is lack of pki
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i put fedora on my xps13, sorry shaggar.
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i'll probably go back to win10 just because it's my c# machine, but it runs fedora like a champ.
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jony neuemonic posted:i'll probably go back to win10 just because it's my c# machine, but it runs fedora like a champ. very nice
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https://github.com/bus1/dbus-broker :popcorn:
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mentioned it in the laptop recommendations thread, but i915 just got a fix for making cheap usb-c -> hdmi dongles work with resolutions over 720p! finally!
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gnome 3.24 is out and has a built in f.lux feature that works on wayland (unlike redshift) so thats something to look forward to next year
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Rufus Ping posted:gnome 3.24 is out and has a built in f.lux feature that works on wayland (unlike redshift) fedora 26 is coming out this summer though
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Rufus Ping posted:gnome 3.24 is out and has a built in f.lux feature that works on wayland (unlike redshift) or june if you use fedora
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debian on the desktop lmfao
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current desktop debian status they finally rebranded icedove back to thunderbird but somehow managed to gently caress up the migration script that, as far as i can tell, just symlinks ~/.thunderbird to ~/.icedove
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spankmeister posted:debian on the desktop lmfao
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spankmeister posted:debian on the desktop lmfao Remember: CentOS in the street, Fedora in the sheets.
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ratbert90 posted:Remember:
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is it worth giving fedora a go on my laptop? theres nothing glaringly wrong with debian atm and the closest thing ive used before is probably rhel 3 as a teenager
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Rufus Ping posted:is it worth giving fedora a go on my laptop? theres nothing glaringly wrong with debian atm and the closest thing ive used before is probably rhel 3 as a teenager I use Debian on my work laptop and Fedora on my home desktop. It is very needs suiting. The upgrade process used to be complete rear end (even OpenBSD was smoother), but it improved a lot in the last release or so. Post-install you'll need to fight Stallman to install whatever non-free codecs you need, but it's at least pretty well documented.
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Rufus Ping posted:is it worth giving fedora a go on my laptop? theres nothing glaringly wrong with debian atm and the closest thing ive used before is probably rhel 3 as a teenager if you've already got a linux somehow working decently on a laptop, i say you've done well for yourself and shouldnt tempt fate and waste any more time switching to another broken linux distro. i recommend going for a walk with a loved one or pet instead
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that was my gut feeling unless theres something im obviously missing out on atm
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fedora plays mp3s as of 25
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hifi posted:fedora plays mp3s as of 25 whoa
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Fedora is good
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Sapozhnik posted:Fedora is good Fedora is the only competent Linux distribution out there.
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Fedora is pretty great but lol at trying to get media stuff like VLC working since the switch to wayland, such as https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/98107/vlc-picture-freezes-on-fedora-25/ It will be even more cool and good when they're able to support that stuff better and bring it out of rpmfusion.
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