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I think the most effective way of radicalizing if to just describe the things socialism could fix, because it highlights the glaring flaws in capitalism while not just being the usual doomsayer. I.e. A future where poor people don't die because they can't afford the prescriptions their doctor writes them, as opposed to currently where 1 in 5 Americans can't afford Rx's. A future where children aren't being poisoned by their tapwater. (Which is still happening in Flint btw) A future where those with addiction and mental illness can get rehab/help and join society rather than begging on the streets. A future where it doesn't become a trend for black families to start Kickstarter to pay for their kids funerals. A future where everyone who works 40 hours a week is able to provide for themselves without needing government assistance programs. Etc.
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The problem with that, is US culture has an ingrained idea of 'just deserts', that's based on around how much money you earn - you're poor because you're stupid/irresponsible/lazy/unvirtuous. That assumption expresses itself to varying degrees of explicitness (not everyone who assumes that idea is actually aware they're assuming it, they've just 'absorbed' it), but it's sort of everywhere. So if you come out and just start saying 'would it be nice if X', the response you'll get is 'that's utopian' or whatever you have to blow that myth out of the water, first, to get people to start questioning if what they already thought was wrong so, pointing out that people are being paid less despite working more or that flint was not caused by elected officials, but by an unelected manager created by a 'fiscal emergency' (which ended up costing the city money, btw), that was itself result of decades of austerity-like politics on detroit as a whole (exacerbated by white-flight and the michigan suburbs not sharing revenue). etc etc
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SomeMathGuy posted:WELL LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THE RICH, MEAN GENE, YOU SEE THEY COMPLETELY DOMINATE THE DISCOURSE, MAN, NOT UNLIKE HOW I DOMINATED THE RING AT WRESTLEMANIA 3 IN FRONT OF A MILLION SCREAMING SOCIAMANIACS BROTHER! AND WHAT YOU GOTTA DO TO THE RICH IS YOU GOTTA WRAP 'EM UP WITH THE 22 INCH PYTHONS AND SEND 'EM PACKING! SO WHAT YOU GONNA DO, BOURGIES, WHEN REDISTRIBUTION OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION RUNS WILD ON YOU?!
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we're mainstream now https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/841854253836652544
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i noticed the comrade debate is exactly the same as the stupid one piece 'nakama' debate, so clearly the same solution applies here and you should call everyone bro (or the gender neutral variety homie) at every opportunity
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Zikan posted:we're mainstream now Hell yeah we are https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/841622696496586752 https://twitter.com/portlanddsa/status/842172756716212225 Wraith of J.O.I. has issued a correction as of 05:19 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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 i've never been a political trendsetter before
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:Hell yeah we are think of all the normies you're losing
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once everyone is socialist we can change DSA into the Dank Syndicalist Anarchists
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:
Well depending on where you are, we're creating a new movement, the DSA is spreading like wildfire in places that matter and the Dems are going to continue to shoot themselves in the feet and the DSA is there to be an actual useful organization when everyone feels like they need to do something.
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We all could have put this time arguing about dunk memes toward upvoting dunk leftist memes on imgur.  http://imgur.com/gallery/KL8yu
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Doorknob Slobber posted:once everyone is socialist we can change DSA into the Dank Syndicalist Anarchists They really do. 
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Does anyone have any experience on making professional looking newsletters? I wanted to make a nice looking newsletter as a prototype for the structural meeting in a couple weeks but I'm not very good with computer. Can I just make them in word?
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Desktop publishing is actually really complicated, if you want to make something not-trash. You really, really want to find someone familiar with Adobe inDesign, or an equivalent. If you're short on time + money, use word. There is one other alternative, that costs nothing, but will cost an investment in time, called LaTeX. It's essentially a programming language for documents that academics wrote. The downside is that it's fairly byzantine, and almost everything you make will basically look the same. But if you want it 'legit' professional, you're going to have to find a professional and pay them.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:think of all the normies you're losing We ARE the normies now Join PSL
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Fullhouse posted:i noticed the comrade debate is exactly the same as the stupid one piece 'nakama' debate, so clearly the same solution applies here and you should call everyone bro (or the gender neutral variety homie) at every opportunity Bernie has proposed a bill to make bro, bruh, brah, and dude gender neutral.
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The real crux of the comrade debate is that it doesn't really matter what kind of lingo you use, because if you're insanely hot enough anybody will listen.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The real crux of the comrade debate is that it doesn't really matter what kind of lingo you use, because if you're insanely hot enough anybody will listen. Brothers and sisters, we need to work out more
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The real crux of the comrade debate is that it doesn't really matter what kind of lingo you use, because if you're insanely hot enough anybody will listen. 
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Accretionist posted:Brothers and sisters, we need to work out more This is actually true.
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Accretionist posted:Brothers and sisters, we need to work out more *lifts in solidarity*
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Just because the president is a fat bitch doesn't mean you have to be
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Guys, guys (and ladies). Get this....swoletariat.
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I might actually get this framed - 
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bench press the means of production
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Seize the means of lactic acid production.
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Hulk Krogan posted:Seize the means of lactic acid production. Grab them by the means of production
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Squat the capitalist class away.
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Our revolutionary strength training will dance to the tune of dialectical materialism at the most fundamental levels, and destroy capitalism with said dancing.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:once everyone is socialist we can change DSA into the Dank Syndicalist Anarchists I second the motion
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It is unfortunate that Hulk Hogan is a racist pile of poo poo in the thrall of a literal billionaire vampire, cause I needs them good good meat shoes.Accretionist posted:Brothers and sisters, we need to work out more
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Accretionist posted:Brothers and sisters, we need to work out more There's a swoletariat group on facebook. plz join
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Ruzihm posted:plz join Get a load of Swole Jeb! over here.
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Hulk Krogan posted:Get a load of Swole Jeb! over here. Don't be mean, JEB! is a loyal comrade/brother/bro. 
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The AK47 needs Jeb!'S name on it like his handgun.
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Glad to see comrade Jeb! supports the immortal science of anarcho-Hoxhaism.
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SomeMathGuy posted:Glad to see comrade Jeb! supports the immortal science of anarcho-Hoxhaism. http://politicalideologycatgirls.com/comic/005-special-snowflakes/
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Jack Gladney posted:The most recent DSA Facebook post is getting some lovely comments from men who don't want to read about feminism. I don't know that I have the rhetorical skills to right that ship, but it seems like a much worse problem than fighting over memes. I wanna call out this Cool and Good reply to that thread by my good friend, skeptic tank. He's got a little anxiety about posting here,, but this response seemed too good to fly under the radar on this topic because he drew together all of the component pieces and smashed the false premises that were posted. quote:All politics are identity politics and you accidentally make this concession when you identify socialists as poor workers and nothing else matters. You don't understand the relation of identity and power in social structures. The idea of racial, and gender blindness is an explicitly classical liberal approach that is criticized by leftist critical race theory. Intersectionallity is not neoliberal. It's the evolution of political correctness and cultural marxism. All of which are used as slurs against civil rights advocates much like SJW is now. Attacks on those concepts have traditionally been for the specific purpose of attacking socialism. You really need to do your research on this. I have some information on this, if you're interested, I'll post it. I hope me sharing this here isn't in poor form.
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It's not true that "all politics is identity politics" except in a really trivial, meaningless way. You can define identity politics however you want, including a way that encompasses all politics, but that's a semantic "gotcha" argument.
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