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Dias posted:I feel like the only reason The National Anthem drives people away from the series is because it's gross. Otherwise, I feel like it represents the series quite well, especially season 1, where most episodes are about the judgemental aspects of "internet" culture, and how far people will go to play around or with those aspects. I dunno if that makes sense, but I feel that's more the Black Mirror thing than "phones, but too much". The only thing Anthem doesn't have is the stronger sci-fi elements, but everything else is there. Mu Zeta posted:Felt too silly for me Not just too gross or too silly, but also way too cynical, jaded and nasty, especially for a first episode and it being set in the closest you get to the real, modern world in Black Mirror. It feels like the most "gently caress you dad" episode of anything ever. It really is the worst way to be introduced to a series that has anthology episodes as superior and excellent as this one does.
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I really liked it and thought it was a great intro to the show.
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Same. And that was even before the actual president of England was exposed as a pig shagger IRL, which is a great bonus.
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Homestar Runner posted:Watched Nosedive, sucks. The premise of "likeability" functioning as some kind of universal social economy is lol and bad. That it also somehow acts as a primary predictor of power / influence is lmao and Yup, pretty implausible. quote:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...e-of-trump.html
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How Darwinian posted:Yup, pretty implausible. Username/post excellence.
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I sort of don't care how plausible Nosedive is because the feel of it captures the weird, alternate reality of start-up culture ideals and railing against the insufferable politeness of having a social media "brand" through wedding movie tropes, with some really good visuals, acting and a cathartic payoff that wasn't too sappy. I think it could have benefited from a little less world-building and setting up, and from getting to the "one mistake cascades into everything going horribly wrong" portion of the story more quickly, but I write that up as typical freshman Netflix stuff. Every show struggles a little when someone rips off the time constraints.
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savinhill posted:Not just too gross or too silly, but also way too cynical, jaded and nasty, especially for a first episode and it being set in the closest you get to the real, modern world in Black Mirror. It feels like the most "gently caress you dad" episode of anything ever. It really is the worst way to be introduced to a series that has anthology episodes as superior and excellent as this one does. It remains my favorite episode and, honestly, everything since then has been just sort of OK. I watched the first series with a friend and National Anthem was clearly the best episode and they got gradually worse. I watched the second and third series while I was between jobs and they were . . . OK. But no real winners.
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I would probably have liked Nosedive better if I had not already seen 15 Million Merits. Which is basically the same episode but better in almost every way. Specifically, Nosedive felt like a 'soft' version of 15 Million Merits.
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cosmically_cosmic posted:I would probably have liked Nosedive better if I had not already seen 15 Million Merits. Which is basically the same episode but better in almost every way. I feel like 15 Million Merits is probably the most quintessentially "Black Mirror" episode, and also one of the best. The lead actor from that episode stands out in the current film "Get Out" by the way.
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Looks like someone watched "Be Right Back" and thought "Wow, great idea!" http://money.cnn.com/mostly-human/dead-irl/
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Yup, Black Mirror is all way too far-fetched. Episodes that have gotten real life analogies since they aired : -Nosedive -Be Right Back -...
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Playtest will be to Death Stranding what National Anthem was to David Cameron. Also.
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I just learned about Piggate, thank you for that. Episodes that have gotten real life analogies since they aired : -Nosedive : -> China : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-surveillance-big-data-score-censorship-a7375221.html -Be Right Back : -> Dead people texting chatbot : http://money.cnn.com/mostly-human/dead-irl/ -National Anthem : Piggate David Cameron -Hated in the Nation : (partly, robobees : http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/03/03/517785082/rise-of-the-robot-bees-tiny-drones-turned-into-artificial-pollinators) -.... any more? This is fun!
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Evernoob posted:I just learned about Piggate, thank you for that. Did you miss that the US had their own Waldo Moment last year?
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Jables88 posted:Did you miss that the US had their own Waldo Moment last year? Boring people have made the argument that it is not close enough.
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Yeah I thought of that, but would only make it count if something unfortunate would happen to him, and Alec Baldwin took his place as the "closest thing to the real deal".
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Evernoob posted:Yeah I thought of that, but would only make it count if something unfortunate would happen to him, and Alec Baldwin took his place as the "closest thing to the real deal". Well seeing as Donald Trump is not only of the oldest but also most unhealthy and hated president to sit in forever we might see how that goes sooner that we'd prefer.
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Mar 13, 2017 13:45
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Entire history of you, google glass.
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Red Oktober posted:Entire history of you, google glass. No.
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Red Oktober posted:Entire history of you, google glass. Not enough. Also the tech in the episode is actually a worldwide success too... I'm kind of surprised i'm not getting any White Bear or Shut up and Dance analogies. White Christmas and San Junipero are a bit too far off I guess, so is 15MM.
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Indeed it wasEvernoob posted:Not enough. Also the tech in the episode is actually a worldwide success too... Indeed it was. GG was announced the day after the episode aired, which is why it sticks with me.
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Evernoob posted:I just learned about Piggate, thank you for that. Hated in the Nation is inspired by real-life internet shamings and, specifically, a popular book about them.
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Yes that may be true, but I'm specifically listing stuff that has happened/become public AFTER the episode had aired.
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Shbobdb posted:It remains my favorite episode and, honestly, everything since then has been just sort of OK. I watched the first series with a friend and National Anthem was clearly the best episode and they got gradually worse. I watched the second and third series while I was between jobs and they were . . . OK. But no real winners. nah.
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Evernoob posted:White Christmas and San Junipero are a bit too far off I guess, so is 15MM. Aspects of 15MM are kind of realistic, though. I mean, in a thematic sense. Bing's very real and valid political argument being co-opted by his society's power-holders and turned into a lovely consumer product is something that happens all the time, I'd say. Songs about ennui and oppression wind up in ads for banks. That famous Apple ad is all about using dystopic literature to sell computers. A shop near me sells novelty "Dismaland" shirts with no irony at all. Etc.
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15MM was a lot more impactful until White Christmas where it shows it's just something on TV. I assumed the whole world was like that or something.
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Mu Zeta posted:15MM was a lot more impactful until White Christmas where it shows it's just something on TV. I assumed the whole world was like that or something. ...it is just something on TV? Abi Khan's song shows up in a couple other episodes, like the soldiers one, it's just a wink.
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Yeah Booker has said that the connections between episodes are just easter eggs. They're not all the same world.
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Nosedive is good, it equates Silicon Valley fakeness & worship of new tech with Stepford Wives style 50s suburbia.Evernoob posted:I just learned about Piggate, thank you for that. Men Against Fire
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what about it? real world reference?
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Evernoob posted:what about it? real world reference? It's really really boring. Just like real life.
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Not that we ever knew the reason behind cycling the bikes in 15MM, but I always presumed it was to generate power. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/14/world/americas/brazil-alternative-sentence-reduction/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18832768
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El Jeffe posted:Yeah Booker has said that the connections between episodes are just easter eggs. They're not all the same world. This is obviously mega-true of White Christmas, which feels like a "We're probably canceled, let's make a Black Mirror episode that's just a weird, fun, over-the-top celebration of Black Mirror-ness.
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Red Oktober posted:Not that we ever knew the reason behind cycling the bikes in 15MM, but I always presumed it was to generate power. I always assumed that the actual output of the bikes was negligble, and that the sci-fi world was just advanced enough to have all that poo poo for everyone, but they need a way to keep everyone in line and competing with the threat of becoming a tv splash fatty as a way to keep everyone distracted from whatever is going on in the background. Speaking of 15mm, what are everyones views re:final scene, was that a screen or an actual window?
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Absolutely a screen in my book.
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Screen. Buddy went from living 50 floors underground to only living 25 floors underground. Got a long way to go to see the sun.
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Definitely a screen. Bing is nothing more than a succesful vlogger. Probably just a few floors above Wraith"s Also the bikes are completely useless. If that society would need manpower to power everything it needs, they would definitely not waste as much on all the screens and other electronics all over. Bing lives in some society where power is abundant, and all/most work is done by robots or such. You cannot just let people sit backwards and do nothing. People would get bored and riots would happen. So they put in a system where people would earn "merits" for whatever productive action they do. However not all of those actions are really productive but they're just there to keep people busy and tired. Look at how the people got in Wall-E if they didn't have anything to do after a few generations.
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I thought the people in 15MM were volunteers from somewhere else.
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I thought it was real because of the parallax when the camera moves, but I might be wrong.
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Even if it is a real window, is that worth it? He still can't leave, he's not free. But it's better than the bike.
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