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KildarX posted:I know there's a moratorium on gun chat and punching hitlerites, but can there be also a moratorium on Bernie vs Hillary chat? At this point it's played out to "Bernie was more Charismatic/Bernie was Unelectable/Hillary is a black hole of charisma that hosed the DNC and all DNC Nobles should be hung" and nobody is changing their mind or having a new thought about it. To be banned from this thread it has to satisfy an opaque and arbitrarily interpreted set of conditions including derailing for 2+ pages, crowding out legit talk when actual current events are going down, and me finding it personally annoying.
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VikingSkull posted:Maybe, and this is crazy, that's because a majority of people in the US are center or right leaning? I mean, it can't be that, can it? No it's because what used to be the left got taken over by the rich.
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Pod Save America's most recent episode had a longish interview with Rep. Seth Moulton (D) from Massachusetts 6th district. I highly recommend people give it a listen, because dude is so loving on point (talks at length about why Dems lost the union vote, why Trump won, etc) and I'm hopeful he's a sign that not everyone in the DNC is clueless as to what to do next. https://art19.com/shows/pod-save-america/episodes/3fff7edb-3104-44b6-be84-0ab584c43ce0
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The biggest thing that needs to change in the USA is over turning citizens united. There's way way way too much corporate money in elections now. That should be issue number 1. After that maybe term limits or someway to stop Congress people/elected officials from raising and only caring about donations.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:09
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brand engager posted:No it's because what used to be the left got taken over by the rich. Reminder that the political class has almost always been rich in this country.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:09
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VikingSkull posted:Reminder that the political class has almost always been rich in this country. George Washington was the richest man in the thirteen colonies.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:George Washington was the richest man in the thirteen colonies. He also got some insane percentage of the entire budget of the nation as his salary.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:12
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VikingSkull posted:Reminder that the political class has almost always been rich in this country. Has there been a nation where this isn't true?
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RFC2324 posted:Has there been a nation where this isn't true? Soviet Union. Also Khmer Rouge lol
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Hot Karl Marx posted:The biggest thing that needs to change in the USA is over turning citizens united. There's way way way too much corporate money in elections now. That should be issue number 1. After that maybe term limits or someway to stop Congress people/elected officials from raising and only caring about donations. Jeb! had hundreds of millions of dollars shoveled into his candidacy and got jack loving poo poo to show for it.
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VikingSkull posted:Reminder that the political class has almost always been rich in this country. The democratic party's leadership wasn't always beholden to lobbyists and corporate interests though. Why are you so loving dense?
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Globalization without the development of a robust and wide-reaching social safety net, to include major job retraining programs for people's whose work was outsourced, along with 10 years of loving idiotic war in a faraway foreign land, made poor whites go full retard. The process was already underway after the conservative majority bullshit started up in the 80s after the soviet union stopped being an existential threat to the dominance of the United States. With no outside threat, things like providing a living wage to the working poor or even maintaining a pretense of wanting a middle class faded away, and gradually we got to where we are today. Also central to this development was commercialization of the internet so that it became accessible to every bigot, politician, and would-be soap box preacher in the world. Both the DNC and RNC are directly responsible for these developments, with the republicans being notable for working to achieve it as rapidly as possible while being insanely obstinate and obstructionist against any attempts to stem the tide of retardation and desperation. The discourse of equivalence that exists in this party is retarded, but that doesn't matter because so are most Americans. Fortunately it appears that global warming is going to take care of the problem in a couple generations so we don't have to do any of the hard work of actually reforming our nation or the world. Namaste.
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RFC2324 posted:Has there been a nation where this isn't true? I was wondering about that myself and apparently this guy is looking good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mujica but who knows
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brand engager posted:The democratic party's leadership wasn't always beholden to lobbyists and corporate interests though. Why are you so loving dense? lol what years are you thinking about
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A while back, Tucker Carlson elevated Trump's victory as the result of people fed up with a system from which they saw no benefit or promise. https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/842209771457462272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Here's Tucker Carlson now.
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Third World Reggin posted:lol what years are you thinking about This covers the shift towards big money taking over starting around the 70s http://courseweb.ischool.illinois.edu/~katewill/spring2012-502/packer%202011%20the%20broken%20contract%20-%20inequality.pdf
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Office Pig posted:A while back, Tucker Carlson elevated Trump's victory as the result of people fed up with a system from which they saw no benefit or promise. That legit made me laugh. Trump reminds of that South Park episode with the crack babies and EA sports, and he's the head of EA edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuVZjpmi-QQ not caring here fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Mar 16, 2017 |
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Office Pig posted:A while back, Tucker Carlson elevated Trump's victory as the result of people fed up with a system from which they saw no benefit or promise. Someone in this thread keeps describing Republicans as a Death Cult. I'm starting to come around to that idea.
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quote:Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, President Donald Trump's former national security adviser, was paid more than $33,750 by Russia's state-run broadcaster RT TV-Russia for a speech in Moscow in December 2015, a top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee has learned.
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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/842422435374866432 Jesus loving Christ.
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brand engager posted:Stop calling the democrats "leftists" when they're barely left of the center. This is also why calling for compromise between Ds and Rs is dumb, since the result is just going to be right-wing garbage. Choosing to die on this hill is why the Democrats are sidelined worse than George Lucas.
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Here are the stubs for Mike 'Russia as gently caress' Flynn https://twitter.com/yashar/status/842426163934961665
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brand engager posted:The democratic party's leadership wasn't always beholden to lobbyists and corporate interests though. Why are you so loving dense? Yeah and the Republicans ended slavery. If you have to go back a few decades to point out a time when a political party wasn't a dumpster fire it doesn't actually extinguish the flames in the present, just saying.
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brand engager posted:This covers the shift towards big money taking over starting around the 70s Yah reading this quickly atm, but he moves back to the glass steagall act and pretty much points the point of great depression to 78 as the period where there were large organizations putting forth effort uniting all classes of americans. Or am I wrong about that? Sorry quickly reading this. I'm gonna go ahead and agree with that, but even then, that is about 70 years in americas 240ish years where this was the case. vikingskulls point was "almost always" which is a bit off, but still close enough to work with here since even in those 70 years, the organizations pointed out were rich people running those large organizations. I'll give it a better read later tonight. I might bring this to the local political organization I am heading to next week.
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facialimpediment posted:Here are the stubs for Mike 'Russia as gently caress' Flynn The receipts for his bribes are in comic loving sans. loving clown show.
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Holy gently caress, he lied about it when he took a physical check?
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Godholio posted:Holy gently caress, he lied about it when he took a physical check? Yeah, that's amazing. Fucker should face charges.
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VikingSkull posted:Yeah, that's amazing. Fucker should face charges. More like fit him for a noose.
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VikingSkull posted:Yeah and the Republicans ended slavery. That's not something I was arguing you stupid gently caress.
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Maybe you should present evidence to support your claims rather than namecalling. 
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woops https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/842432017627262976 Edit: following Nancy always leads to comedy https://twitter.com/nancyayoussef/status/842431214447431682
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Spicer press briefing scheduled to start in 10 minutes!
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE bring up both of these developments, press corps!
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Godholio posted:PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE bring up both of these developments, press corps! 
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brand engager posted:That's not something I was arguing you stupid gently caress. Look, it's not my fault you went straight to the lobbyist angle when all I said was that members of the political class of this country have traditionally been personally wealthy.
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Godholio posted:Maybe you should present evidence to support your claims rather than namecalling. I already did brand engager posted:This covers the shift towards big money taking over starting around the 70s which is about why the party is a dumpster fire, and then he spouts some non-sequitur about me saying the party isn't a dumpster fire
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brand engager posted:which is about why the party is a dumpster fire, and then he spouts some non-sequitur about me saying the party isn't a dumpster fire Man, I talked about the country being majority center or right and you got butthurt. I know full well the evils of corporate money in the political spectrum, don't fall back on that. Prove to me why what I said is false.
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VikingSkull posted:Man, I talked about the country being majority center or right and you got butthurt. I know full well the evils of corporate money in the political spectrum, don't fall back on that. Prove to me why what I said is false. That's your claim, the burden is on you to prove it is true. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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holy poo poo shut the gently caress up
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