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Godholio posted:In the Air Force, E-1 and E-2 are rarely seen in the wild. That early, you're promoted very quickly...think of it as positive reenforcement. As long as you're not completely loving up, you make E-2 after six months, then E-3 ten months later. Figure a fair amount of that time is spent in training for your career field, and waiting between different phases of that training. If you did JROTC in high school or have X college credits, you can even skip E-1 or E-2 and graduate basic training as an E-3. You could also get E-3 at twenty weeks or graduation from your tech school, whichever came first, if your initial contract was for six years instead of four. Might be the only true thing the recruiters mention. In both of my classes, I only saw one guy not graduate with stripes on their uniform. quote:As far as ribbons go, the rule is that if you're going to wear them, you wear all of them that you're authorized. That wasn't always the case, which is why you look at photos of WWII generals and they have 3 or 6 or whatever...they've got more, but the rule wasn't written yet. That said, the US gives away medals and ribbons for goddamned anything, so unless you know which ones actually mean something, don't be fooled. Look for the quality instead of quantity. Hell, I was in for about 8 years and I think my stack is 5 full rows. Only a couple have the slightest tinge of pride associated with earning them. Another Air Force tradition is that if you're wearing blues, only enlisted wear their ribbons on the shirt. It's optional, but for whatever reason enlisted wear them, officers do not. That's shirt only, if you're wearing the full service dress with the jacket, they're mandatory. Two weeks ago I was listening to one of my state's senators present a certificate of appreciation to a vet and I had to hold in a laugh at them acting like the guy's longevity medals were worth something. And I can't remember now, but I think I was able to get away with not wearing ribbons with my blues. The only mandatory bit was the nametag, but as long as you had something on the other side (ribbons or badge), no one would care. I also hardly ever wore my blues, so my memory's a bit fuzzy on how I did wear them.
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Oh look everyone is starting to sperg out about rank and ribbons and stupid bullshit and god drat there are way too many fucks being given about gay military poo poo in here.
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Not saying stop because I'm not the boss of you guys but lol I'm gonna go drink a beer.
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Mike-o posted:Oh look everyone is starting to sperg out about rank and ribbons and stupid bullshit and god drat there are way too many fucks being given about gay military poo poo in here. It's the lurker thread and a lurker asked questions.
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post your ribbon racks gang
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Mar 19, 2017 00:11
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Someone asked about it and the opinions come out. Everyone's the same rank when you collect your DD214 anyhow: hosed.
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Mar 19, 2017 00:13
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Godholio posted:It's the lurker thread and a lurker asked questions. my bad, sometimes i need to pay attention more to what thread i'm in
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Mr. Nice! posted:And what's the big deal if they are? There are gently caress tons of petty officers in the navy that are pushbuttoned (automatic E4 or E5). The leadership roles are filled by senior E4s or E5s anyways. There is no good reason to keep specialist other than army history. Because what works in the Navy might not work in the Army? How about you get rid of rates and go to a MOS System like every other branch?
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Flikken posted:Because what works in the Navy might not work in the Army? shhhhhhhh
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Flikken posted:FYI air force e-4 is not a nco. I'm not disputing your point but if you turned all of the specialists currently in the army Corporal that would uhh cause some problems. You just made everyone in the army that had been in 2 years without being flagged into NCOs. They should bring back the specialist career path anyway. Depending on the shop, E-4 was treated as either E-3 with more pay or E-5 with less pay. Mr. Nice! posted:And what's the big deal if they are? There are gently caress tons of petty officers in the navy that are pushbuttoned (automatic E4 or E5). The leadership roles are filled by senior E4s or E5s anyways. There is no good reason to keep specialist other than army history. It would've been nice to not be told to get the shift supervisor everytime I picked up the phone because the person on the other line didn't think junior enlisted could do anything right.
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Mike-o posted:my bad, sometimes i need to pay attention more to what thread i'm in doesnt help that there are a bunch of redundant threads and half of em end up being chat threads
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Flikken posted:Because what works in the Navy might not work in the Army? It works in the marines, too.  Also getting rid of rates was a good idea and I wish they hadn't backed down on it.
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Kuroyama posted:Depending on the shop, E-4 was treated as either E-3 with more pay or E-5 with less pay. Did you have to introduce yourself with your rank? "This is Private First Class Kuroyama..."? Are places like Okinawa or Rammstein that different then Ft. Hood or Ft. Bragg given how long the military has been there? Do officers get "push buttoned" into higher ranks like enlisted? How much officer / enlisted interaction occurs with say O1s and E2s?
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just poking my head into one of the many new redundant threads in this forum to say "hey"
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I started this thread for lurkers and hell, I hope they keep comin
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Mr. Nice! posted:It works in the marines, too. And the Marines have much harder requirements for E-4 than the Army or Air Force. Stealth Edit: this is a dumb argument.
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Flikken posted:Stealth Edit: this is a dumb argument. Much like the specialist rank.  (I do agree with you this is silly)Nystral posted:Did you have to introduce yourself with your rank? "This is Private First Class Kuroyama..."? Only time you ever introduce yourself with rank is when you're talking to someone on the phone or someone you don't know. In the military your name is generally Rank Lastname instead of First Lastname. Overseas assignments always are different than conus, and it's usually not in a good way rule wise. There are a lot of dumb rules and restrictions overseas because servicemembers like to drink and rape and stab cabbies. Officers promotion and enlisted advancement are different setups. Officer promotions are congressional appointments while enlisted ranks mostly are not. The most junior officer promotions and enlisted advancement are typically automatic, though they do vary slightly branch to branch. O1-O3 is automatic unless you gently caress up bad and E1-E3 is auto in most branches. The navy pushbutton to E4 & E5 are specific contract bonuses that certain jobs can get. They do not start at those ranks, but rather automatically advance once they meet the requisite time in the previous rank (6 months at E3 and 1 yr at E4).
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Reminder that the Air Force is so awful at personnel management that a couple of years ago O-3 promotions were competitive rather than automatic.
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Mr. Nice! posted:It works in the marines, too. Getting rid of referring to people as rates was dumb, but getting rid of classic rates for advancement purposes would have been fine.
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it would be kind of funny to organize GIP based on paygrades and see how it shook out, greenmeat would be top of enlisted
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Mar 19, 2017 06:57
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Grover would be equivalent to mod again.
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Godholio posted:Grover would be equivalent to mod again. Admin, actually.
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He'd be radium.
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the navy enlisted having shiny silver stuff on their collars is dumb as hell
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About as dumb as banning smoking on base at night and in theater. "NO SMOKING! ENEMY COULD BE OUT THERE WATCHING YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR CHERRY. Here pri'ate, go turn that lightset generator on and point over there and get in formation under it."
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YOU KNOW WHY WE USE RED LIGHT ITS BECAUSE THE ENEMY CANT SEE IT FROM AS FAR AWAY AS WHITE LIGHT *uses a million lumes tac light to ratfuck MREs while on guard anyway*
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Reverand maynard posted:the navy enlisted having shiny silver stuff on their collars is dumb as hell Where were you seeing sailors in non-work uniforms? Shiny is only for dress uniforms. (Or I guess those dumb khaki office uniforms that only lasted a few years.)
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Nystral posted:Did you have to introduce yourself with your rank? "This is Private First Class Kuroyama..."? Mr. Nice! posted:Only time you ever introduce yourself with rank is when you're talking to someone on the phone or someone you don't know. In the military your name is generally Rank Lastname instead of First Lastname. Each rank also has a shortened form you could use. I could the phone with "Senior Airman Kuroyama" or "Airman Kuroyama", and both would be correct. My job involved a lot of talking on the phone, and the offices that I worked with often (maintenance, fire, police) weren't that bad about wanting an NCO. It was the rest of the calls that asked for someone with a higher rank, and like 85% of the calls were for something that I would've been able to answer anyways.
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TBeats posted:YOU KNOW WHY WE USE RED LIGHT ITS BECAUSE THE ENEMY CANT SEE IT FROM AS FAR AWAY AS WHITE LIGHT red light is important for use at night because it doesn't affect your night vision. Ships out at sea have a mode where all the lights, switches, gauges, and anything else visible switch to red at night so you can still step out on the bridgewing and see.
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Bumpin this mofo cause I see a lot of people not posting for some reason
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hail Satan?
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HAIL SATIN boxers draped gently over my balls.
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Work hard. Post hard.
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Kick-Puncher posted:For the air force do you have to wear all your badges along with your ribbons? I am actually in the Air Guard but I transferred over from Army guard and I have no loving clue and I am getting mixed answers. Aviator's wings, chaplain's badges, and cyberspace or space "wings" are mandatory. If you're a medic or doctor, that medical badge is also required. Otherwise, they're optional. I make a point of not wearing ribbons or badges, because I hate uncle sam, plain and simple.
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^That is accurate. It sounds like you're enlisted but if you're an officer, don't wear your ribbons on your shirt. It's a weird tradition thing that only enlisted personnel wear ribbons on shirts. AFI 36-3903 is actually easy to dig into for specific answers. I wouldn't sit down and read it, but save a pdf of it and reference it for that kind of thing.
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Still lurking, still being a nosey reporter rear end in a top hat
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Or else what
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Chicken Shoes
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Phuzzy posted:Still lurking, still being a nosey reporter rear end in a top hat Oh for real?
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