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Luke Cage has been fun so far (6 eps in), whoever said it wasn't good is a dummy.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:14
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GobiasIndustries posted:Luke Cage has been fun so far (6 eps in), whoever said it wasn't good is a dummy. Let us know how you feel later
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Mar 19, 2017 21:20
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GobiasIndustries posted:Luke Cage has been fun so far (6 eps in), whoever said it wasn't good is a dummy. We need to frame this post.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:21
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Even if it turns to complete poo poo, I've enjoyed it so far and wouldn't count it as a waste of time 
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Mar 19, 2017 21:23
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GobiasIndustries posted:Even if it turns to complete poo poo, I've enjoyed it so far and wouldn't count it as a waste of time I don't actually hate the second half, it's just kind of a misfire. I had issues with the show leading into it and they get exacerbated.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:24
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Arist posted:I don't actually hate the second half, it's just kind of a misfire. I had issues with the show leading into it and they get exacerbated. I've gone into every Netflix Marvel show basically blind. I read a ton of comics growing up but almost entirely mainstream stuff (xmen, spiderman, batman mostly). Luke Cage, Jessica Jones & Iron Fist are all totally new to me (and Daredevil, thought I had an idea of him before the show started) so I really have 0 expectations.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:30
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I don't know why the Netflix shows are so mediocre when Legion can be so unexpected and surprising while still being fun on a basic cable network. I actually have higher hopes for the X-Men show on Fox but it will probably be poo poo.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:36
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So have we reached the stage in revisionist history where because Iron Fist is bad now everything before Iron Fist was bad?
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Mar 19, 2017 21:41
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Mu Zeta posted:I don't know why the Netflix shows are so mediocre when Legion can be so unexpected and surprising while still being fun on a basic cable network. I actually have higher hopes for the X-Men show on Fox but it will probably be poo poo. Legion holds up? I watched the first episode and loved it, but I haven't had a ton of time to watch TV and it seems like a show where you really need to pay attention so I've let it pile up on my dvr
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Mar 19, 2017 21:41
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Rarity posted:So have we reached the stage in revisionist history where because Iron Fist is bad now everything before Iron Fist was bad? People have been complaining about the other shows for a long time, but now they have an actual excuse.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:42
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Has John C McGintley been in anything after Scrubs
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Mar 19, 2017 22:00
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A few episodes of Burn Notice, Ground Floor for 2 seasons, and a few movies. Right now he's in Stan vs. Evil or whatever it's called.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:08
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He's the lead in IFC show Stan Against Evil and was one of the leads of TBS multicam Ground Floor. also the Marvel Netflix shows were always bad also I never got into old Samurai Jack but this new season is one of the prettiest things of all time
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Mar 19, 2017 22:10
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Rarity posted:So have we reached the stage in revisionist history where because Iron Fist is bad now everything before Iron Fist was bad? As far as Jessica Jones and Daredevil goes they aren't bad, but they aren't great either. They are just good shows especially since they drag out about 4 episodes worth of plot to 13 episodes.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:18
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Mu Zeta posted:As far as Jessica Jones and Daredevil goes they aren't bad, but they aren't great either. They are just good shows especially since they drag out about 4 episodes worth of plot to 13 episodes. I wish people would stop loving saying this
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Mar 19, 2017 22:22
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Why? It's 100% true. This isn't even me doing a bit, that's a completely valid criticism.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:39
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Arist posted:I wish people would stop loving saying this It's my honest belief since several of the episodes are boring as gently caress. After all the build up in Jessica Jones how did she end up solving the problem?
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Mar 19, 2017 22:39
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Rarity posted:So have we reached the stage in revisionist history where because Iron Fist is bad now everything before Iron Fist was bad? I enjoyed Iron Fist a lot more than the second half of Luke Cage. I don't think any of the shows are actively bad, but I think overall there is a lot of unwarranted hype around them because it's Marvel. They are all decent shows, but they could be a lot better (by cutting 5 episodes out of every season).
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Mar 19, 2017 22:41
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I haven't watched any of the Marvel Netflix stuff since I dropped Jessica Jones halfway through and nothing I've heard since then has given me the impression that I'm missing anything. also holy poo poo this is some of the worst action directing I've seen in a while https://twitter.com/BrianJNorris/status/843172574272114688
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Mar 19, 2017 22:45
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HorseRenoir posted:I haven't watched any of the Marvel Netflix stuff since I dropped Jessica Jones halfway through and nothing I've heard since then has given me the impression that I'm missing anything. Hahah, jesus christ.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:47
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Scrubs went on for too long huh?
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Mar 19, 2017 22:47
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Oh yeah, I don't know why they didn't spend more money on the fight scenes in Iron Fist. They are all pretty unimpressive. There's also not that many of them to be honest.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:54
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Escobarbarian posted:Why? It's 100% true. This isn't even me doing a bit, that's a completely valid criticism. Jessica Jones and Daredevil had more than four episodes of plot, obviously, but it also conflates "plot" with "forward progress," as if a television show is an engine that must constantly move forward or it's broken. JJ takes diversions that are relevant to what it's trying to say or gently caress, even just for the sake of it. The primary issue with these shows isn't that they're too long, it's that they don't move fast enough. You could tell much better stories, even within 13 episodes, if the pacing was ramped up massively. I'm mainly annoyed that people consistently complain that the episode orders are too long as if the showrunners can't just write more story. People say Jessica Jones should have ended at episode 10 but the simple fact is the arc of the show wasn't done yet at that point, and while the storytelling to continue it from there was a bit sloppy cutting it down wouldn't have fixed that. Mu Zeta posted:It's my honest belief since several of the episodes are boring as gently caress. This isn't even the same complaint, and it ignores the context of why the problem can suddenly be solved in that way in the first place. Sometimes characters haven't finished their arcs and thus cannot solve their problems in the most expedient way. What you're suggesting they do would be way more boring and anticlimactic.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:56
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Rarity posted:So have we reached the stage in revisionist history where because Iron Fist is bad now everything before Iron Fist was bad? I mean I was complaining about the dialog in Jessica Jones from the beginning, so I think it's more people feeling emboldened now that everyone else is talking about how a Marvel show sucks.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:00
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The problem essentially isn't the episode order number, it's that they can't get writers who can actually fill it worth a drat. I feel DD s1 did the best job overall but it was very much elevated by DeKnight understanding the type of show he was making and being very good at making that show.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:02
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Oh Snapple! posted:The problem essentially isn't the episode order number, it's that they can't get writers who can actually fill it worth a drat. Basically. People keep saying this even when it makes no sense, like with Luke Cage. The "too many episodes" complaint there suggests that the writers were forced into a dilemma by only being able to fill half a season, but that's ridiculous. It's way more likely that they simply had an idea for the season to have two distinct halves, and the second one just didn't work very well.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:04
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Arist posted:Basically. People keep saying this even when it makes no sense, like with Luke Cage. The "too many episodes" complaint there suggests that the writers were forced into a dilemma by only being able to fill half a season, but that's ridiculous. It's way more likely that they simply had an idea for the season to have two distinct halves, and the second one just didn't work very well. I feel DD s2 fits into this as well. The problem isn't a lack of content for 13 episodes, the problem is that the show basically has two halves: the Punisher-dominated first half, and the Hand-dominated second half. And boy is that second half not a good one.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:06
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A lot of people seem to like the ninja stuff. All the poo poo with Elektra and ninjas shoudl have been excised. I know it's part of the core Daredevil lore but the only reason that stuff was put it was because they needed filler.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:10
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I'm more or less fine with it, though it's not the strongest material. I liked Elektra a lot. Though hilariously, in Iron Fist they get rid of it entirely
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Mar 19, 2017 23:12
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Arist posted:Jessica Jones and Daredevil had more than four episodes of plot, obviously, but it also conflates "plot" with "forward progress," as if a television show is an engine that must constantly move forward or it's broken. JJ takes diversions that are relevant to what it's trying to say or gently caress, even just for the sake of it. The primary issue with these shows isn't that they're too long, it's that they don't move fast enough. You could tell much better stories, even within 13 episodes, if the pacing was ramped up massively. I'm mainly annoyed that people consistently complain that the episode orders are too long as if the showrunners can't just write more story. People say Jessica Jones should have ended at episode 10 but the simple fact is the arc of the show wasn't done yet at that point, and while the storytelling to continue it from there was a bit sloppy cutting it down wouldn't have fixed that. The problem with Jessica Jones is that the story they had couldn't sustain itself for a full season, and instead of breaking things up with a b-plot or smaller mini-arcs, they decided to stretch out the Kilgrave story by adding all sorts of stops and starts and fake-outs to artificially lengthen what should have been a tight, short thriller. There are a lot of moments where characters make ridiculously stupid decisions because the writers painted themselves into a corner and realized that they couldn't let the villain be caught before the season finale. The longer that show went on, the less compelling or likable any of the characters became because it was getting clear that the writers were bending over backwards to wallpaper over the plot's massive structural problems.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:12
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Arist posted:Though hilariously, in Iron Fist they get rid of it entirely They keep on talking about how the Hand are ninjas, and occasionally have ninja-ish outfits but I think the main issue is that the show-runner seems to be stuck in an "all asians are the same" mindset
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Mar 19, 2017 23:34
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I'm assuming the ninjas are the main villains for the Defenders show so they are probably saving it for that
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Mar 19, 2017 23:44
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I know this is the general chat thread and all, but if you guys want to keep going on so long about the Marvel Netflix shows there is a thread dedicated to just that.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:50
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HorseRenoir posted:I haven't watched any of the Marvel Netflix stuff since I dropped Jessica Jones halfway through and nothing I've heard since then has given me the impression that I'm missing anything.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:53
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Mu Zeta posted:I don't know why the Netflix shows are so mediocre when Legion can be so unexpected and surprising while still being fun on a basic cable network. I actually have higher hopes for the X-Men show on Fox but it will probably be poo poo. I don't know how surprising it is when Legion is created by Noah Hawley who through two seasons of Fargo has proven his track record.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:55
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X-O posted:I know this is the general chat thread and all, but if you guys want to keep going on so long about the Marvel Netflix shows there is a thread dedicated to just that. This isn't general chat, it's couch chat. I personally have a very nice sectional that I ironically don't lay on facing the TV with my legs up, but instead lay on the couch part looking sideways.
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Mar 20, 2017 00:02
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I'm a hell of a lot more excited for how Gifted will turn out than I am the Defenders.
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Mar 20, 2017 00:03
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muscles like this! posted:I don't know how surprising it is when Legion is created by Noah Hawley who through two seasons of Fargo has proven his track record. I lost that post in the other stuff but yeah, it's this. Legion is good because Noah Hawley knows what the gently caress he's doing and has consistently proven it.
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Mar 20, 2017 00:03
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This Carla has horrible post partum depression plot line is surprisingly dark and gruesome
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muscles like this! posted:I don't know how surprising it is when Legion is created by Noah Hawley who through two seasons of Fargo has proven his track record. I just think it's funny that a show on an online only service is more conventionally boring than on FX.
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