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Kazy posted:How did Danny perm and frost his hair in the monastery? Chi control.
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Junkfist posted:Let's not kill anybody let's just instigate a gang war so that a bunch of people all kill each other I can't let you kill this man, it will destroy your chi! I'll kill him for you, no biggie. Our heroes, invoking the "Strangers On A Train" theory of karmic deniability. When they were watching the WWII-era film footage of the previous Iron Fist kicking rear end I thought for a second I was watching The Man In The High Castle. It was like getting a little snippet of a much better version of this show from an alternate universe and it's simultaneously exciting and depressing, watching a wuxia badass flipping the gently caress out and plowing through a dozen ninjas with his awesome glowing fists of kung fu fury, for just a brief moment before we return to the sad reality of the world's mightiest tai chi student and his amazing journey of like, spiritual cleansing 'n whatever.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:18
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I would have loved for them to go full-bore with cheesy 70s kung-fu film stuff. Hell, set it in the 70s and have Danny in the Defenders be an older man (or Stick, for that matter, even if they're different characters in the comic) coming back from K'un Lun to fight the Hand when the gate opens again. I just realized Kung Fu Panda did a better job than this show. Jack Black making fat jokes into a microphone is a more convincing kung fu warrior than Danny. edit: VVV yeah. it doesn't piss me off as much as the second half of Luke Cage, and it didn't drag as much as Jessica Jones, and it wasn't as disjointed as Daredevil's second season was, but it feels like it never quite got up to steam. As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 23:27
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McSpanky posted:When they were watching the WWII-era film footage of the previous Iron Fist kicking rear end I thought for a second I was watching The Man In The High Castle. It was like getting a little snippet of a much better version of this show from an alternate universe and it's simultaneously exciting and depressing, watching a wuxia badass flipping the gently caress out and plowing through a dozen ninjas with his awesome glowing fists of kung fu fury, for just a brief moment before we return to the sad reality of the world's mightiest tai chi student and his amazing journey of like, spiritual cleansing 'n whatever. They weren't ninjas, they were soldiers. Also, just finished episode 12. The best parts of this show are the family dynamic of the Joy and Ward and their dad. The fight scenes are like slightly better than CW level, and the whole Danny Rand storyline just feels very confused and directionless and pointless in a way that is outside his in story directionless. This didn't really feel like an Iron Fist show - if you took out Danny Rand the show would feel pretty much the same. I feel like this show didn't have to exist. It isn't bad, but it's just...out there. I don't think Danny was a bad actor, but I think the writing is just absolutely shameful. There's not much anyone can do to save what was written. Drifter fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 23:28
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How did Finn Jones even pass the preliminary character screenings? I don't think he has the right look for the part, but my main beef is that he just cannot do a convincing martial artist. I'm not even into martial arts movies or anything, and when he is doing exercises and striking karate poses even I can tell he looks goddamn awkward. You expect a sort of grace and fluidity and control of the body that he just does not possess, and I can't imagine that there weren't other actors out there who couldn't do a better job even at the early auditions. Maybe they expected him to get better with training, and he just kept on sucking until it was too late? (Even then, they could have had him lift some goddamn weights at least.) I could buy him as a novice ninja-in-training, but he just cannot pull off a master assassin trained for 15 years in a monastery. He just looked ridiculous trying to impress Wing and the Hand ninjas, and he's gonna look real silly next to Matt Murdock, too. Phenotype fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 23:29
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Phenotype posted:How did Finn Jones even pass the preliminary character screenings? I don't think he has the right look for the part, but my main beef is that he just cannot do a convincing martial artist. I'm not even into martial arts movies or anything, and when he is doing exercises and striking karate poses even I can tell he looks goddamn awkward. You expect a sort of grace and fluidity and control of the body that he just does not possess, and I can't imagine that there weren't other actors out there who couldn't do a better job even at the early auditions. Maybe they expected him to get better with training, and he just kept on sucking until it was too late? (Even then, they could have had him lift some goddamn weights at least.) Nah, the actor's fine enough, it's the stunt coordinating and scenework that is just bland. The writing doesn't really have him act like a conflicted fish out of water martial artist. Ep 1 was a very bad Tarzan.
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Phenotype posted:How did Finn Jones even pass the preliminary character screenings? I don't think he has the right look for the part, but my main beef is that he just cannot do a convincing martial artist. I'm not even into martial arts movies or anything, and when he is doing exercises and striking karate poses even I can tell he looks goddamn awkward. You expect a sort of grace and fluidity and control of the body that he just does not possess, and I can't imagine that there weren't other actors out there who couldn't do a better job even at the early auditions. Maybe they expected him to get better with training, and he just kept on sucking until it was too late? (Even then, they could have had him lift some goddamn weights at least.) I could buy him as a novice ninja-in-training, but he just cannot pull off a master assassin trained for 15 years in a monastery. It's obvious he was dealt a bad script, but it's also clear he wasn't able to balance it out. Honestly, the fact that he even auditioned knowing jack squat about Kung Fu isn't a great look either.
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I'm not even talking about the dialogue or delivery, I'm talking about the scenes where he waves his hands around and then comes down in a karate pose, like. He looks awkward and fumbly. Nothing about the way he moves suggests that he has any better control over his body than some random hippie from Ann Arbor. A guy raised for 15 years in a ninja monastery should move like a ballet dancer, and while I don't expect every action lead to be Bruce Lee, he is so bad that it's jarring, especially when his character is supposed to be a master.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:41
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I think Jones could have been alright with more time to train and prepare his body, but he clearly wasn't there yet and the choreography and writing being super half-assed just exacerbated things. I really enjoyed the moment when zen master Danny summed up the duality of life by pointing out the difference between a human and a piece of garbage and Colleen was like hmmm yes so wise
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Mar 19, 2017 23:41
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Phenotype posted:I'm not even talking about the dialogue or delivery, I'm talking about the scenes where he waves his hands around and then comes down in a karate pose, like. He looks awkward and fumbly. Nothing about the way he moves suggests that he has any better control over his body than some random hippie from Ann Arbor. A guy raised for 15 years in a ninja monastery should move like a ballet dancer, and while I don't expect every action lead to be Bruce Lee, he is so bad that it's jarring, especially when his character is supposed to be a master. Ann Arbor Hippie is exactly what Danny looked like to me lmao
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Phenotype posted:I'm not even talking about the dialogue or delivery, I'm talking about the scenes where he waves his hands around and then comes down in a karate pose, like. He looks awkward and fumbly. Nothing about the way he moves suggests that he has any better control over his body than some random hippie from Ann Arbor. A guy raised for 15 years in a ninja monastery should move like a ballet dancer, and while I don't expect every action lead to be Bruce Lee, he is so bad that it's jarring, especially when his character is supposed to be a master. That and whenever he's pretending to do Tai Chi he looks like a college kid trying to impress girls with how worldly he is while looking like a total tool. None of his movements look natural or practiced, more like he was shown what to do right before the cameras started rolling and he's trying to remember what comes next. Holy poo poo I just realized. Danny is Wimp Lo! They trained him wrong on purpose, as a joke!
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Mar 19, 2017 23:45
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I feel like way too many people are just focusing on Danny not being Asian, and not, well, the rest of the problems. There was some clickbaity article I saw that Literally said "Iron Fist fails on diversity, dragging Marvel down with it". Uh did you see the casts for Spider-Man? As a goon once said "It looks like it takes place in Queens" and then Black Panther has like 2 white people in it?
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Mar 19, 2017 23:51
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Okay, if I have to try to be really nice to Jones, he's in a unique position, given that he doesn't have a costume that allows a stunt double to take over. Cox doesn't do all his martial arts stuff in costume, so I'll give Jones that, but if he could just be decent at like one aspect of martial arts like Tai Chi, Kung Fu, or ... something, he'd at least come across as someone who tried.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:55
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Watching Episode 6 Why isn't Danny's teacher in like, every episode of this show? He's great.
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Max posted:Watching Episode 6 Why isn't Danny's teacher in like, every episode of this show? He's great.
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Mar 20, 2017 00:01
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Seriously, if this dude was chiding Danny from the sidelines for the whole show it would be great.
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As Nero Danced posted:Holy poo poo I just realized. Danny is Wimp Lo! They trained him wrong on purpose, as a joke! This is beautiful.
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https://twitter.com/BrianJNorris/status/843172574272114688Max posted:Seriously, if this dude was chiding Danny from the sidelines for the whole show it would be great. That would've ruled, just him astral projecting to continue Danny's training and to chide Danny into returning. He could've even stopped, abruptly, well after Davos shows up to signify the [Cliff-Hanger Spoiler] disappearance/destruction(?) of Kun-Lun. Like, "Oh, he hosed that up, too, he had plenty of time to stop that, haha." Accretionist fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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I just watched episode 2. so far, each episode has had a scene that genuinely shocked me with how terrible it was. First was the exposition hobo, now the discovery that Colleen does Pink Panther training to keep her vigilant. Seriously, what the gently caress was that? When we saw her at her dojo, she was teaching Kendo. In Jessica Jones, she was advertising a self-defense course. So why did she have her students jump out at her unarmed four-on-one? Does she also teach basic gang violence? Are they going to her to learn how to mug people? What do you call what she teaches, School of Flowing Water, Students Shot By Cops Thinking They're Stopping a Robbery? And loving shame on them for doing a fakeout at that point. "Oh, people are stalking Colleen, something interesting might happen" I thought, but then lol of course not. It's only been like 70 minutes into the show, why would something interesting happen? The show is called Iron Fist and after two hours the only fisting he's done is punch a door There's like ten more episodes, maybe the show will turn it around, but these first two episodes have been bad. Bad show.
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Mar 20, 2017 00:17
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At the risk of defending the show, you could stretch a narrative-rationale for the ambush stuff. It comes up in episode 8 or 10, I think?
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Mar 20, 2017 00:22
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What Colleen is preparing them for comes up later in the season but don't let that stop you from the hot takes.
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Codependent Poster posted:What Colleen is preparing them for comes up later in the season but don't let that stop you from the hot takes. OK, good. That makes sense. Don't want to front load the show with stuff, we need lots of time with the weird curly hair guy with a poorly defined goal. And people in offices on phones. All that is really reeling me in.
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 Comixology's -67% Iron Fist sale ends TODAY. I'm not a Marvel nerd, but the Brubaker/Fraction run seems like a no-brainer.
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Mar 20, 2017 00:25
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"He can punch through solid steel with his bare hand" "His hand... Or... His fist... " They're the same thing lady. This show is dumb.
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Grem posted:"He can punch through solid steel with his bare hand" I laughed because even the henchman sold it like it was dumb as hell.
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I remember thinking, "she went from plural to singular," but if he didn't suck, he could use both hands. Also, he shouldn't technically need to form a fist at all so what the hell, lady?
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Mar 20, 2017 00:49
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Danny 'The Iron Fist, Destroyer of the Hand' you weren't given this gift to murder.
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The Iron Tickler.
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As Nero Danced posted:Holy poo poo I just realized. Danny is Wimp Lo! They trained him wrong on purpose, as a joke! 
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First episode: Not getting why Danny didn't tell Joy the Monopoly story with Ward the five year old teenager.
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Every Frame a Painting touches on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1PCtIaM_GQ TL;DW; the fighting, even if it's good, loving sucks if you're cutting the scene between each action. Happy Noodle Boy fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Mar 20, 2017 01:19
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It makes Charlie Cox's interpretation of Daredevil even more amazing since he only had 3 months to prep for the role.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Every Frame a Painting touches on this: Nice! Everyone should watch that.
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etalian posted:It makes Charlie Cox's interpretation of Daredevil even more amazing since he only had 3 months to prep for the role. Since they stole the Iron Fist costume they were able to swap in the trained stunt double at near will. Plus Cox had something to work with. I don't want to be too hard on Jones' acting since the script is loving dildos when it comes to dialog and nearly any action by Danny. The director deciding that the best way to sell flashbacks and hallucinations was to pretend like you just got a really bad headache certainly doesn't help. It's almost like whoever wrote the script had a TV show about the Meachums they were working on that they shoehorned all the Iron Fist stuff into.
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I'm not going to be too hard on Finn Jones either. He's bad in this, but mostly due to having a garbage script and a nothing story and directors who have no idea what they want him to be other than "always angry".Accretionist posted:Nice! Seconded, it's a pro-click. Jacky Chan might have some garbage politics, but his onscreen earlier work is sublime. Parkingtigers fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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Parkingtigers posted:I'm not going to be too hard on Finn Jones either. He's bad in this, but mostly due to having a garbage script and a nothing story and directors who have no idea what they want him to be other than "always angry". Garbage politics? What do you mean? I had no clue he had any involvement in politics but then again I don't exactly keep up on him.
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Phenotype posted:How did Finn Jones even pass the preliminary character screenings? I don't think he has the right look for the part, but my main beef is that he just cannot do a convincing martial artist. I'm not even into martial arts movies or anything, and when he is doing exercises and striking karate poses even I can tell he looks goddamn awkward. You expect a sort of grace and fluidity and control of the body that he just does not possess, and I can't imagine that there weren't other actors out there who couldn't do a better job even at the early auditions. Maybe they expected him to get better with training, and he just kept on sucking until it was too late? (Even then, they could have had him lift some goddamn weights at least.) I could buy him as a novice ninja-in-training, but he just cannot pull off a master assassin trained for 15 years in a monastery.
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I made it to episode 5. Does it get any better? Because this is just so... dull and predictable and by the numbers. I really don't see any reason to go on.
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Gordong Dongbay posted:Garbage politics? What do you mean? I had no clue he had any involvement in politics but then again I don't exactly keep up on him. Oh sorry, local thing. Despite making it huge in Hong Kong cinema, he cosies up to the Chinese Communist Party and tells Hongkongers they are basically spoiled children for wanting democracy and that demonstrators should have their rights limited. He's mostly hated here because of that. I think he managed to piss off Taiwan a few years before for similar reasons. Meanwhile, Chow Yun Fat is his polar opposite, a local lad who during the same protests was warned that speaking out might mean his films got censored in Mainland China, and he just said "well I'll make less money then". I briefly dated the girl who taught him to ride a horse for one of his films, said he's a total dude. Anyway, derail over. https://twitter.com/HongKongHermit/status/843076198854885377 CountFosco posted:I made it to episode 5. Does it get any better? Because this is just so... dull and predictable and by the numbers. I really don't see any reason to go on. For me, it got worse. I enjoyed the first 7 or so episodes, then it went south quickly. Still worth it if you are willing to pick the good little moments from its bones, and there are good little moments spread all through the series, but it's buried in a lot of blah.
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