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Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.
the only good yugioh days was when gemini twins or w/e was the only 1900 4-star and it was one of the rarest cards, with only a few 1800 ones. Basically the first like 7? packs

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Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Chillin' out with the crew in the school yard,
Findin' trouble, never lookin' too hard.
Well back at class, they never taught us this,
Some things you gotta learn, hit or miss.

Tough times, hard climbs,
We'll take 'em on together.
Right now, let's go!

Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, Generation NeXt!

Game on, get your game on,
Come on ya better play your cards right.
Game on, get your game on,
We'll make the grade and win this fight.


We'll make the grade somehow.
Yeah!

Yu-Gi-Oh GX!

Game on, get your game on,
Come on ya better play your cards right.
Come on and get your game on!

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Yugioh has always been a broken mess of a game, every since the very beginning. It's just a different kind of broken now than it used to be.

Still super fun though. Can't wait for dinosaur meta to begin.

Junpei Hyde
Mar 15, 2013




alcharagia posted:

Chillin' out with the crew in the school yard,
Findin' trouble, never lookin' too hard.
Well back at class, they never taught us this,
Some things you gotta learn, hit or miss.

Tough times, hard climbs,
We'll take 'em on together.
Right now, let's go!

Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, Generation NeXt!

Game on, get your game on,
Come on ya better play your cards right.
Game on, get your game on,
We'll make the grade and win this fight.


We'll make the grade somehow.
Yeah!

Yu-Gi-Oh GX!

Game on, get your game on,
Come on ya better play your cards right.
Come on and get your game on!

Counterpoint:

Going fast makes me feel alive.
My heart beats in hyper drive.
Do you think you can win?
Only if I lose.
Just let destiny choose.

I can hear you breathin'.
I can see you comin'.
I can feel the wind.
It's blowing me around.

Take a shot at me runnin' side by side.
It's a blur... as I go by.

I can hear you breathin'.
I can see you comin'.
I can feel the wind.
It's blowing me around.

See the sun arising.
Fire in the sky.
Greatness thrusts itself into our lives.

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Junpei Hyde posted:

Counterpoint:

Going fast makes me feel alive.
My heart beats in hyper drive.
Do you think you can win?
Only if I lose.
Just let destiny choose.

I can hear you breathin'.
I can see you comin'.
I can feel the wind.
It's blowing me around.

Take a shot at me runnin' side by side.
It's a blur... as I go by.

I can hear you breathin'.
I can see you comin'.
I can feel the wind.
It's blowing me around.

See the sun arising.
Fire in the sky.
Greatness thrusts itself into our lives.

But have you considered:

Still together as one
Cuz divided we're none
Ready to go, we feel the flow

So don't stand in our way
You know we ain't afraid
This is our time, we're in control

If I trip up today
You just wipe it away
All of my fears are gone, erased

Let us tear down the walls
'Til the final night falls
The bonds of our souls can't be replaced

Let us fight together
Regret it never
Our dreams will be

Halfway to
Forever
Our light comes shining through
Reach down deep
Beat defeat
Do all that we can do
Halfway to
Forever
We've got nothing to lose
Keep breathing
Believing
Halfway to forever

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
Anybody complaining about Yugioh only now being a broken mess of a game is a broken brained baby who lusts for the good old days and was never good enough or into the game enough to know that from its first loving set the game was a horrifically broken mess of chase cards and wank.

Nothing has changed, if anything the games gotten far funner for introducing more playstyles than "Have the highest attack monster, also gently caress the other player if they don't have removal." It turned a stale game that in its very first pack was "If you do not have Hitotsume-Giant then you might as well not be playing because only two other monsters have 1200 attack and that's as high as it goes without tribute." To one with exciting turnabouts and counters. Rank 4 Toolbox might be degenerate, but I'll take being able to have answers to my opponents and being able to turn a losing situation into my victory over having to sit around and fiddle with my dick each turn.

If you think this game was ever more balanced or 'fun' in the past, you are wrong. I have played this game in every era it's had. It's had its degenerate Tier-0 formats, it's had a healthy meta, and all of it has been power creep. Ever since set 1, Where the only tribute monsters were Gaia the Fierce Knight and Dark Magician and the latter was always going to be stronger than the former, with no way to ever bridge that gap.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
I don't even remotely care about competitive yugioh and anyone who does deserves scorn and pity

Junpei Hyde
Mar 15, 2013




alcharagia posted:

But have you considered:

Still together as one
Cuz divided we're none
Ready to go, we feel the flow

So don't stand in our way
You know we ain't afraid
This is our time, we're in control

If I trip up today
You just wipe it away
All of my fears are gone, erased

Let us tear down the walls
'Til the final night falls
The bonds of our souls can't be replaced

Let us fight together
Regret it never
Our dreams will be

Halfway to
Forever
Our light comes shining through
Reach down deep
Beat defeat
Do all that we can do
Halfway to
Forever
We've got nothing to lose
Keep breathing
Believing
Halfway to forever

Hmmm, fair, HOWEVER:

YO! ya-yo, ya-yo

Dreamin', don't give it up Luffy
Dreamin', don't give it up Zolo
Dreamin', don't give it up Nami
Dreamin', don't give it give it up give it up give it up give it up give it NO!

Here's how the story goes we find out
About a Treasure in the Grand Line
Theres no doubt, The pirate whose eye is on it
He'll sing I'll be King of the Pirates
I'm gonna be king

Ya-yo, ya-yo, ya-yo, ho-ho

His name is Luffy
That's Monkey D. Luffy
Gonna be king of the pirates!
He's made of rubber - (female singers) how did that happen?
Yo-ho-ho he took a bite of Gum Gum

Ya-yo, ya-yo

His name's Zolo, He's just like a samurai
And a L-A-D-Y Nami's not shy
The pirate crew coming through, doin' their thing,
With the king of the pirates, he's gonna be king!

Ya-yo, ya-yo, ya-yo, hoo-hoo

Set sail for One Piece, it's the name of the treasure in the Grand Line!

Ya-yo, ya-yo

Set sail for One Piece!

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 13 minutes!
Exodia. Exodia never changes

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Junpei Hyde posted:

Hmmm, fair, HOWEVER:

YO! ya-yo, ya-yo

Dreamin', don't give it up Luffy
Dreamin', don't give it up Zolo
Dreamin', don't give it up Nami
Dreamin', don't give it give it up give it up give it up give it up give it NO!

Here's how the story goes we find out
About a Treasure in the Grand Line
Theres no doubt, The pirate whose eye is on it
He'll sing I'll be King of the Pirates
I'm gonna be king

Ya-yo, ya-yo, ya-yo, ho-ho

His name is Luffy
That's Monkey D. Luffy
Gonna be king of the pirates!
He's made of rubber - (female singers) how did that happen?
Yo-ho-ho he took a bite of Gum Gum

Ya-yo, ya-yo

His name's Zolo, He's just like a samurai
And a L-A-D-Y Nami's not shy
The pirate crew coming through, doin' their thing,
With the king of the pirates, he's gonna be king!

Ya-yo, ya-yo, ya-yo, hoo-hoo

Set sail for One Piece, it's the name of the treasure in the Grand Line!

Ya-yo, ya-yo

Set sail for One Piece!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfJuJrqFhXM

Junpei Hyde
Mar 15, 2013





gently caress. I end with this:

Yeah.... Yeah
How did it come to this
After all we been through
Two of a pair now on oppisite sides
From the very start with honor we dueled
We watched each other's back
and we battled with prided
We're closer than brothers
Now we got to fight each other
If we trust our friendship
to the heart of the cards
No Matter What
Let the Game Begin
No Matter What
Be the best man win
No Matter What
We're in this together
No Matter What
We'll be friends forever
No Matter What
Yeah..... Yeah
Its been you and me
Out playing games
Didn't ever think it would get this hard
Times running out
and so much at stake
Everything riding on the turn of a card
We'll show 'em what were're made of
As we fight for the ones we love
And we'll be friends to the very end
No Matter What
Let the Game Begin
No Matter What
Be the best man win
No Matter What
We're in this together
No Matter What
We'll be friends forever
No Matter What
Yeah
I wanna give up
But I won't give in
I don't wanna do with my very best friend
We're equal match
and put it to play
With so much at sake
I just can't walk a way
Though I need a victory
You always meant the world to me
Thats one thing that will never change
No Matter What
Let the Game Begin
No Matter What
Let the best man win
No Matter What
We're in this together
No Matter What
We'll be friends forever
No Matter What
Let the Game Begin
No Matter What
Let the best man win
No Matter What
We're in this together
No Matter What
We'll be friends forever
No Matter What

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRpLEpkF4hY

Koguma
Sep 1, 2007

One of the Big Seven !!

GeneX posted:

I don't even remotely care about competitive yugioh and anyone who does deserves scorn and pity

So people who enjoy a hobby and have the time and resources to invest in a hobby they like, deserve scorn and pity? :downs:

Sorites
Sep 10, 2012

Can you still do that one turn Exodia victory deck gimmick?

Also, unrelated, has anyone ever won a tournament match by randomly drawing Exodia as their starting five card hand?

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Koguma posted:

So people who enjoy a hobby and have the time and resources to invest in a hobby they like, deserve scorn and pity? :downs:

Specifically competitive yugioh, yes

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Koguma posted:

So people who enjoy a hobby and have the time and resources to invest in a hobby they like, deserve scorn and pity? :downs:
Good job getting right back on the slapfight we all just forcibly pulled ourselves away from with a much better derail. Avenging your fragile ego was totally worth dragging this thread back into the poo poo.

Your e-honor is restored! May internet pussy and/or dick rain on your kingdom forevermore! :bravo:

Sorites posted:

Can you still do that one turn Exodia victory deck gimmick?

Also, unrelated, has anyone ever won a tournament match by randomly drawing Exodia as their starting five card hand?
Every so often a new one pops up and they have to nerf whatever draw engine it uses.

girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Mar 19, 2017

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Watermelon Daiquiri posted:

the only good yugioh days was when gemini twins or w/e was the only 1900 4-star and it was one of the rarest cards, with only a few 1800 ones. Basically the first like 7? packs

Gemini Elf. Vorse Raider had similar stats.

There was also Thunder Nyan Nyan, but you had to play a Light-themed deck if you wanted to make that card work.

Koguma
Sep 1, 2007

One of the Big Seven !!
Goblin Attack Force and Spear Dragon were the best level 4s around that time ^^^

GeneX posted:

Specifically competitive yugioh, yes

What about it? What makes it so different than any other competitive card game, or competitive game in general?

PMush Perfect posted:

Good job getting right back on the slapfight we all just forcibly pulled ourselves away from with a much better derail. Avenging your fragile ego was totally worth dragging this thread back into the poo poo.

Your e-honor is restored! May internet pussy and/or dick rain on your kingdom forevermore! :bravo:

Every so often a new one pops up and they have to nerf whatever draw engine it uses.

I'm generally curious as to why people who have the time and money to do something they want with their time and money deserve scorn and/or pity, but I guess you could jump to conclusions and make yourself look really dumb. That works too.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Even before that, you had Mechanicalchaser. Nowadays, it's a trash common, but once upon a time, when La-Jinn was THE powerhouse 4-star monster? That fucker easily went for $250 each. And what were you really supposed to do about it?

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

serefin99 posted:

I have seen the, quote, "Calvinball-Mornington-Crescent-Rocket-Tag YGO has turned into," and Links are not the solution. I can sympathize with wanting the game to slow down. It's why I don't touch any meta decks period, since I prefer my duels to last more than 2 turns. But what Links are doing isn't 'slowing the game down'. They're cutting off its legs, throwing it into a pit of starving tigers, and yelling, "Run, Forrest! Run!"

tl;dr anyone who legitimately thinks the Link mechanic will be healthy for the game can eat my Duel Dick.

I saw a webm of some guy summoning the same Xyz monster, like, 50 times in one turn and decking their opponent out with it.

What happened to this game?

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

I saw a webm of some guy summoning the same Xyz monster, like, 50 times in one turn and decking their opponent out with it.

What happened to this game?

A likely-stacked deck against an opponent that was either in on it or cherry-picked?

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

I saw a webm of some guy summoning the same Xyz monster, like, 50 times in one turn and decking their opponent out with it.

What happened to this game?

The same thing that happened to a Magic: The Gathering Storm deck designed to draw the entire deck and kill you with a Storm card. a ridiculous combo which will never, ever happen in a real game. It's like assembling a Gun from Ikea.

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010
Okay what is going on why were there like thirty replies in a few hours?

Oh. That's what.

AlphaKretin posted:

A likely-stacked deck against an opponent that was either in on it or cherry-picked?

A single card can be used to build an entire field in one turn if you know what you're doing.

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Ephraim225 posted:

A single card can be used to build an entire field in one turn if you know what you're doing.

Off the top of my head, there's only like, one modern deck (Zoodiacs) that can do that consistently and reliably, and the OCG banlist just rendered said deck unplayable.

Maybe Infernoids, but they can't do it nearly as consistently.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

AlphaKretin posted:

A likely-stacked deck against an opponent that was either in on it or cherry-picked?

I think it was something to do with Maxx C.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Infernoids were fun.

Honestly, the only decks recently that made me want to quit (rather than just the price and the toxic playerbase) was PSY-Frames. Jesus Christ, I don't care if they were balanced or not, that was the most unfun poo poo to play against in the history of the goddamn game. At least against a one-turn-win decks, the games were quick.

Koguma
Sep 1, 2007

One of the Big Seven !!

Dexie posted:

Off the top of my head, there's only like, one modern deck (Zoodiacs) that can do that consistently and reliably, and the OCG banlist just rendered said deck unplayable.

Maybe Infernoids, but they can't do it nearly as consistently.


Atlantean Mermail can also do it with Deep Sea Diva + any other water attribute card

and take 2-3 cards from your opponent's hand

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Koguma posted:

Atlantean Mermail can also do it with Deep Sea Diva + any other water attribute card

and take 2-3 cards from your opponent's hand

Diva's limited to 1 though and while no one is going to say they AREN'T an OTK deck, but... that's all they are. They aren't nearly consistent about it, certainly not in comparison to that loving rat. They are also an older deck type, hence the "Modern deck" clarifyer. After all, I could bring up Goat Control as a truly degenerate deck from 2004. Or Chaos Control, same year.

And lets take a look at that winning deck lineup from 2003

Sangan
Witch of the Black Forest
Jinzo
Gemini Elf x3
Mystic Tomato x3
Don Zaloog x2
Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer
Sinister Serpent
Magician of Faith
Yata-Garasu
Fiber Jar
Raigeki
Dark Hole
Change of Heart
Snatch Steal
Nobleman of Crossout
Heavy Storm
Harpie's Feather Duster
Mystical Space Typhoon x3
Pot of Greed
Graceful Charity
Delinquent Duo
Confiscation
The Forceful Sentry
Mirage of Nightmare
Monster Reborn
Premature Burial
Imperial Order
Call of the Haunted
Ring of Destruction
Mirror Force
Drop Off x3

And pretty much every deck looked exactly the same as it. and it did exactly the same thing. Except it was worse, because old Yugioh had way LESS answers and far more degenerate power.

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

Onmi posted:

If you think this game was ever more balanced or 'fun' in the past, you are wrong. I have played this game in every era it's had. It's had its degenerate Tier-0 formats, it's had a healthy meta, and all of it has been power creep. Ever since set 1, Where the only tribute monsters were Gaia the Fierce Knight and Dark Magician and the latter was always going to be stronger than the former, with no way to ever bridge that gap.

I have a special hatred in my heart for the period of time when everyone and their goddamn mother ran Monarch decks. I entered a tournament with friends and like 60% of the decks were Monarchs.

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Which period, exactly? Monarchs have been the meta like, four different times in this silly game's history.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Onmi posted:

The same thing that happened to a Magic: The Gathering Storm deck designed to draw the entire deck and kill you with a Storm card. a ridiculous combo which will never, ever happen in a real game. It's like assembling a Gun from Ikea.

storm is very consistent in MTG, so the bolded part is super wrong

unless you meant it just in relation to the yugioh deck but i think you can see how someone who doesn't know could get a wrong impression

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

Dexie posted:

Which period, exactly? Monarchs have been the meta like, four different times in this silly game's history.

Tail end of GX, round about Tactical Evolution. When there was only about four of them. Before Caius came out.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

mandatory lesbian posted:

storm is very consistent in MTG, so the bolded part is super wrong

unless you meant it just in relation to the yugioh deck but i think you can see how someone who doesn't know could get a wrong impression

I meant the latter, the actual proper comparison would be... 2x Myr Galvanizer and 2x mana producing Myr. Then using BSZ to mill your opponent for 1+ a million.

Sure, it can work, but 90% of the time you're just going to lose.

Storm is better compared to most Exodia decks which is "I will draw my entire deck and all 5 pieces of Exodia in this one turn or I will concede the game.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Hey, Ephraim, your link to your balance patch doesn't work. Think we could get a reupload, and maybe a changelog? That'd be rad.

Gilgamesh255
Aug 15, 2015
I...actually didn't mind Forbidden Memories for the PS1. Sure, it wasn't great, but I didn't find it horrible either; though considering I traded it in, I guess I didn't have fond memories of it either. Liked the music for it, though.


Please don't lynch me for my heresy.

Ephraim225
Oct 28, 2010

Gilgamesh255 posted:

I...actually didn't mind Forbidden Memories for the PS1. Sure, it wasn't great, but I didn't find it horrible either; though considering I traded it in, I guess I didn't have fond memories of it either. Liked the music for it, though.


Please don't lynch me for my heresy.

Hey, Forbidden Memories had good music and graphics.

That's all you're getting though.

PMush Perfect posted:

Hey, Ephraim, your link to your balance patch doesn't work. Think we could get a reupload, and maybe a changelog? That'd be rad.

Reuploading. I'll try to remember what I can about it. I made it a long time ago and knew zero ASM though so I'll likely update it at some point.

Download here. The changes I remember are:
- The price of all cards at the shop was divided by 10 to make them match Sacred Cards prices, EXCEPT for the Exodia pieces. They sell for quite a bit still.
- All cards had their Deck Cost halved, meaning less capacity grinding.
- You now earn more capacity and money from duels.
- Some monsters were given additional effects. Example: Queen's Double and Rainbow Flower have the same effect as Mystic Lamp, which is to attack the opponent directly. Nothing that game-breaking, just thought a couple starter cards could use a boost.
- All cards now have their TCG stats. There were a few that originally did not.
- Ritual monsters have had their Divine attributes removed (don't you DARE spoil why I did that)
- Ritual spells were replaced with monster cards originally removed in Reshef of Destruction
- The final boss was nerfed. Believe me, he needed it.
- All opponents now start at 8000 LP.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Ephraim225 posted:

- The final boss was nerfed. Believe me, he needed it.

Using an action replay code that reduces enemy LP to 0, I believe it still took me until Turn 8 before I was able to end the duel with this guy. :argh:

MissileWaster
Jul 2, 2007

Remember that one time you totally botched that snap?
Looks like you started this thread right around when my friends and I decided to get back into the game, right around when the new movie came out. Wish I had seen this thread sooner so I could have jumped on the poking fun at the dummy who had to cheat to LP Sacred Cards 7 years ago bandwagon, but oh well.

I'm looking forward to seeing where the plot goes in Reshef of Destruction. I never played that one, only ever heard that it was painfully difficult which made it painfully unfun. I was never a fan of these styles of Yu-Gi-Oh games, if it was going to involve the cards I preferred they stick with the actual TCG rules.


I started rereading the manga about a week ago too, I'm at volume 1 of Duelist, and some of the differences between the manga and anime are pretty interesting. I like seeing the manga only characters show up in these updates, nice nods to fans of the series, and unique sprites so the NPC's wind up with some extra color to them.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Using an action replay code that reduces enemy LP to 0, I believe it still took me until Turn 8 before I was able to end the duel with this guy. :argh:

What? That doesn't even seem possible.

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girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Ephraim225 posted:

Reuploading. I'll try to remember what I can about it. I made it a long time ago and knew zero ASM though so I'll likely update it at some point.

Download here. The changes I remember are:
- The price of all cards at the shop was divided by 10 to make them match Sacred Cards prices, EXCEPT for the Exodia pieces. They sell for quite a bit still.
- All cards had their Deck Cost halved, meaning less capacity grinding.
- You now earn more capacity and money from duels.
- Some monsters were given additional effects. Example: Queen's Double and Rainbow Flower have the same effect as Mystic Lamp, which is to attack the opponent directly. Nothing that game-breaking, just thought a couple starter cards could use a boost.
- All cards now have their TCG stats. There were a few that originally did not.
- Ritual monsters have had their Divine attributes removed (don't you DARE spoil why I did that)
- Ritual spells were replaced with monster cards originally removed in Reshef of Destruction
- The final boss was nerfed. Believe me, he needed it.
- All opponents now start at 8000 LP.
You are a saint. Can you give me the For Dummies version of the directions on how to turn off the Permanent Effects sweep, with the code thing, on VBA?

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