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wicka posted:From a certain perspective you could say they are unintentionally sandbagging. Honda sincerely believes they have made major performance improvements but haven't come remotely close to stretching their legs. I do genuinely think they are playing up the sad sack "we are in a really poo poo spot" card a lot more than they probably need to and are in a better spot than it appears on the surface. Time will tell once they get the motor to stop rattling itself to death.
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To be fair it's been three years and Honda still doesn't have their poo poo together, I'd be playing up how bad things were as well. Honda really needs to take their finger out.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:27
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1500quidporsche posted:The issue is that the chassis isn't dissipating the engine's vibration. How do you test that on a dyno? But if the motor is vibrating itself apart they should know it before putting in the chassis? And if the chassis is vibrating the motor apart, that to me is a failure of design from Mclaren. Anyways i still remeber the two WDC that Mika won from Schumi so i hope Mclaren never wins again.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:32
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GramCracker posted:I do genuinely think they are playing up the sad sack "we are in a really poo poo spot" card a lot more than they probably need to and are in a better spot than it appears on the surface. Time will tell once they get the motor to stop rattling itself to death. It's pretty clear that McLaren have told their drivers and staff to let loose on Honda publicly if they feel so inclined. Alonso pretty much said nothing the last two years except for the occasional in-car outburst, but this year he has repeatedly and strongly criticized them, with no defense or mitigation coming from Boullier et al. So if they are playing up their issues, they're doing a drat fine job of it. DoctorGonzo posted:But if the motor is vibrating itself apart they should know it before putting in the chassis? I saw a post somewhere recently that was supposedly from a current Honda engineer. The guy claimed they're too focused on rapidly iterating the engine and thus each new iteration isn't properly tested.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:36
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DoctorGonzo posted:But if the motor is vibrating itself apart they should know it before putting in the chassis? And if the chassis is vibrating the motor apart, that to me is a failure of design from Mclaren. Chassis dynamics is really out of the scope of this thread and I'd put people to sleep talking about it but putting an engine on a testbed doesn't capture real world elements. The fact is these engines are a structural part of the cars and there's huge forces being put through them as a result. Apportioning blame isn't a black and white issue, it's a far more complex issue their dealing with.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:37
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Hamilton dunking on Honda made me hate him slightly less
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Mar 23, 2017 15:37
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1500quidporsche posted:Chassis dynamics is really out of the scope of this thread Horseshit. Let's hear it bro.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:39
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1500quidporsche posted:Chassis dynamics is really out of the scope of this thread and I'd put people to sleep talking about it but putting an engine on a testbed doesn't capture real world elements. The fact is these engines are a structural part of the cars and there's huge forces being put through them as a result. Apportioning blame isn't a black and white issue, it's a far more complex issue their dealing with. Yeah i know that but i never heard of a car that is falling apart for natural reasons. Someone hosed up. DoctorGonzo fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Mar 23, 2017 |
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Mar 23, 2017 15:40
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wicka posted:It's pretty clear that McLaren have told their drivers and staff to let loose on Honda publicly if they feel so inclined. Alonso pretty much said nothing the last two years except for the occasional in-car outburst, but this year he has repeatedly and strongly criticized them, with no defense or mitigation coming from Boullier et al. So if they are playing up their issues, they're doing a drat fine job of it. Hell, at this point in the game if I were running McLaren I'd tell everyone on to publicly poo poo on Honda too. If Japanese culture is anything to go off of, the public shame ought to make them get their poo poo together. wicka posted:Horseshit. Let's hear it bro. Right?! I'm 100% down for some chassis dynamics, I love tech poo poo like that.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:49
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DoctorGonzo posted:Yeah i know that but i never heard of a car that is falling apart for natural reasons. Someone hosed up. I've had it happen to me, VW grounds the entire ignition system through the cylinder head and there was enough moving that after three years that it just snapped. Look up 1st gen Chevy Astros, 90 degree V6s without balance shafts, the electric connections in mine is all shot to bits. wicka posted:Horseshit. Let's hear it bro. Remind me and I'll type something up tonight when I'm not on my phone.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:51
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1500quidporsche posted:I've had it happen to me, VW grounds the entire ignition system through the cylinder head and there was enough moving that after three years that it just snapped. Look up 1st gen Chevy Astros, 90 degree V6s without balance shafts, the electric connections in mine is all shot to bits. but that is a failiure of design?
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GramCracker posted:Hell, at this point in the game if I were running McLaren I'd tell everyone on to publicly poo poo on Honda too. If Japanese culture is anything to go off of, the public shame ought to make them get their poo poo together. That's kinda what I mean. I think it makes total sense for McLaren to pile the shame on Honda and make them do whatever it takes to fix the problem, even if it doesn't fit with how they normally do business. It makes less sense for them to destroy Honda publicly if their problems aren't actually that great. Seems like Honda would prefer positive publicity if they've earned it.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:57
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can someone please do a parody of the dramatic cupcake dog having vietnam flashbacks, except with Alonso from that drivers' press conference where the camera pulls in progressively tighter on his face while images of MCL32 and that washing machine shaking itself to death flash across the screen, tia I'd do it myself but I just don't have the time at the moment and I'm afraid by the time I get around to it the zeitgeist of Mclonic-Honda will have passed
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Mar 23, 2017 16:06
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ukle posted:drat - Lewis: "More ladies in the paddock... more paddock access for women, there's too many dudes"  Kilmers Elbow posted:HAM with a serious case of the notgays there. Yeah, out of nowhere! Is the Poois Shamilton PR machine making bold new strides for 2017? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 23, 2017 16:10
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Norns posted:Hamilton dunking on Honda made me hate him slightly less heck,  and now I'm so internally conflicted in my emotions that I have even more empathy for the guy
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Mar 23, 2017 16:13
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CratSock posted:Lewis: "More ladies in the paddock... more paddock access for women, there's too many dudes" Lewis just wants to encourage more women to work in F1. What an enlightened man.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:19
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Honestly Honda is just taking the piss now. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda-worried-about-reliability-for-australian-gp-885008/
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Mar 23, 2017 16:28
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quote:Although Fernando Alonso complained about a lack of power on top of the reliability issues, Hasegawa insisted that the new engine is up on its 2016 performance figures. That is uh not a very encouraging response
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Mar 23, 2017 16:34
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Norns posted:Lance the killer Stroll Because he's a baby For all you British people with your narrow language, that's the word for "pram"
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Mar 23, 2017 16:34
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Uhhh, do you expect him to say the down on power engine that shakes itself apart is really good?
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Human Grand Prix posted:Uhhh, do you expect him to say the down on power engine that shakes itself apart is really good? No, but he came about as close as you can get to saying exactly that with a straight face.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:39
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"We have slightly elevated levels of engines shaking themselves to death, but we also have achieved more output. For the engines to ah.... shake themselves... to death. No more questions." *smiles blankly*
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Mar 23, 2017 16:44
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A positive answer would have been something like 'We have been turning it down to try to help the shaking problem' not "And as the tyres are wider, the driver may feel that the speed has dropped". Fernando can look at a clock just like anyone else
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Mar 23, 2017 16:57
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He said the engine was down on power and that they didn't meet their targets.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:59
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Yes, like I said that is not very encouraging for McLaren for the entire season. It was possible (to me) that if they fixed the shaking then maybe the engine would be at least competitive but that doesn't sound like the case.
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The engine has fundamental design issues that cannot be rectified in 2 weeks, or even before mid season. I expected reliability issues and it looks like I was right.
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quote:Hasegawa insisted that the new engine is up on its 2016 performance figures. What's that saying about being at rock bottom?
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Mar 23, 2017 17:13
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Honda is eating a bunch of hamburgers off the bathroom floor at this point.
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Mar 23, 2017 17:14
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CratSock posted:"We have slightly elevated levels of engines shaking themselves to death, but we also have achieved more output. For the engines to ah.... shake themselves... to death. No more questions." *smiles blankly* "Our new engine is AIDS. 69." - Ron Dennis
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Mar 23, 2017 17:16
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Alain Post posted:"Our new engine is AIDS. 69." - Ron Dennis He died.
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1500quidporsche posted:Honda is eating a bunch of hamburgers off the bathroom floor at this point. Teppanyaki from the dumpster, bathroom floor burgs would be 2016 Renault power levels.
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So they are not running the engine at full power and still is tearing itself apart? Thats awful, i tought they were running the thing at full power and that was the reason for their problems. Yeah, they are hosed.
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Mar 23, 2017 17:25
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No I think it's at full power it's just poo poo. They can develop it now, though.
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Manor Marussia will get more points than McLaren this year.
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I wonder if it's actually faster than the Sauber.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:A positive answer would have been something like 'We have been turning it down to try to help the shaking problem' not "And as the tyres are wider, the driver may feel that the speed has dropped". Fernando can look at a clock just like anyone else Maybe Honda is getting snippy with McLaren too. "A GP2 driver would likely feel like the speed is lower..."
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1500quidporsche posted:Honestly Honda is just taking the piss now. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda-worried-about-reliability-for-australian-gp-885008/ That's it, I'm going for it. My GP Predictor predictions are pretty bold with Are Nando on Pole and Podium, backed up with Their Strudel taking the second podium step. Get at me, fellas.
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CratSock posted:"We have slightly elevated levels of engines shaking themselves to death, but we also have achieved more output. For the engines to ah.... shake themselves... to death. No more questions." *smiles blankly* wuffles posted:Mclonic-Honda
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GramCracker posted:That's it, I'm going for it. My GP Predictor predictions are pretty bold with Are Nando on Pole and Podium, backed up with Their Strudel taking the second podium step. Get at me, fellas. GramCracker, you should never go full retard, you know that!
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CratSock posted:GramCracker, you should never go full retard, you know that! 
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