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Jastiger posted:Curse those atheists for being culturally, politically, and socially aware. You can be those things and also know when to shut that poo poo off at the same time. You don't constantly need to be proving how woke you are in casual conversation.
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Jastiger posted:Curse those atheists for being culturally, politically, and socially aware. lol yeah, if culture, politics, and society are all code words for the argument about whether or not the next Doctor Who should be a lady. There's lovely atheists just like there's lovely religious people. Being an atheist doesn't make you better than anyone else
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Mar 31, 2017 15:43
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Guy Goodbody posted:lol yeah, if culture, politics, and society are all code words for the argument about whether or not the next Doctor Who should be a lady. I dont think it automatically makes you a better person. But getting that virus cured is always better.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:02
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Jerry Cotton posted:"It wasn't just made up" *goes on to explain how it was just made up* Literally all language rules are made up.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:40
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Fister Roboto posted:Literally all language rules are made up. There's a difference between informal rules that have evolved over centuries of use being formally codified, and one dude just randomly applying a rule from another language in order to make his own fancier.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:01
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Enough people must have agreed with him and liked it otherwise they would have ignored it.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:10
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Guy Goodbody posted:There's a difference between informal rules that have evolved over centuries of use being formally codified, and one dude just randomly applying a rule from another language in order to make his own fancier. If other people adapt the second example's use of language I don't see how that makes in any different in the large scheme of things. People invent new words, terms and way of speaking English all the time. Some of it gets codified into the zeitgeist, some of it never catches on outside of a small group but it's all equally valid
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Mar 31, 2017 17:19
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Not getting life insurance when you have people that rely on you and care about you is incredibly selfish and those people who refuse life insurance should be executed.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:25
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Jastiger posted:Not getting life insurance when you have people that rely on you and care about you is incredibly selfish and those people who refuse life insurance should be executed. True, but if you don't I think it's a valid choice not to get it. I don't want to give the part of my family that I don't really like any more incentive to want me dead.
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Mar 31, 2017 17:54
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Jastiger posted:Not getting life insurance when you have people that rely on you and care about you is incredibly selfish and those people who refuse life insurance should be executed. Jastiger, aren't you an insurance salesman?
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Mar 31, 2017 18:01
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WampaLord posted:Jastiger, aren't you an insurance salesman? Yes. But i believe that regardless. When i see pieces of poo poo with 4 kids, a stay at home wife, a big mortgage and they are all "lol they can just bury me out back lol" and refuse life insurance, then i get pissed. They are gonna end up a coffee can at the gas station if something happens instead of actually caring about their family.
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Mar 31, 2017 18:14
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Mar 31, 2017 18:18
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More like oldinsuranceless
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Mar 31, 2017 18:18
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Mar 31, 2017 18:27
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Jastiger posted:Curse those atheists for being culturally, politically, and socially aware. Atheism isn't a logically tenable position and neither is any other religion. It isn't logical to believe in the existence of the preternatural but it isn't logical to believe that the existence of the preternatural is not possible.
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Mar 31, 2017 18:30
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I'm on the bog at a really bad dive phone I, posting in the toilet so I made a few mistakes before correcting, sorry.
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Mar 31, 2017 18:34
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Jerry Cotton posted:Atheism isn't a logically tenable position and neither is any other religion. It isn't logical to believe in the existence of the preternatural but it isn't logical to believe that the existence of the preternatural is not possible. That's not what atheism is.
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Mar 31, 2017 18:49
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Jerry Cotton posted:Atheism isn't a logically tenable position and neither is any other religion. It isn't logical to believe in the existence of the preternatural but it isn't logical to believe that the existence of the preternatural is not possible. Atheists don't reject the preternatural, they reject the supernatural. The difference, as I understand it, is one being apparently beyond natural reason, and the other being actually beyond natural reason. And I'd posit that it is entirely logical and rational to believe that there can be nothing that is not reasonable; that all thing must necessarily be reasonable. Grognard hat on, I reject your conflating atheism and religion, specifically because religion must necessarily believe in the supernatural. From below, doverhog posted:or whatever word you wanna use That's sort of the point. 'A god' is the word you want to use, 'the supernatural' is the word I prefer. The two are in essence equivalent, and any argument that denies one generally denies the other. TheMaskedUgly has a new favorite as of 19:11 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 19:02
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That's not it either. Atheists do not believe there is a god. They lack that belief. That's it. There is no comment on the supernatural, or the preternatural, or whatever word you wanna use. As an atheist I should know. *God, and certainly a monolithic creator god, and "the supernatural", are not the same thing at all. doverhog has a new favorite as of 19:15 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 19:06
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doverhog posted:That's not it either. Atheists do not believe there is a god. They lack that belief. That's it. There is no comment on the supernatural, or the preternatural, or whatever word you wanna use. As an atheist I should know. Correct. Atheism makes no positivr statement. Atheism is the best.
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Mar 31, 2017 19:25
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lol if you arent nihilistic
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Mar 31, 2017 19:28
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Grandmother of Five posted:Religious or not, mob mentality is dangerous. Large-scale organization dealing with matters of ethics in any way are potentially, extremely dangerous, because they easily promote mob mentality. Authoritarian thought is dangerous because it promotes mob mentality. Singling out religious thought as a root evil, rather than simply mob mentality, feels like missing the mark completely imo. Grandmother of Five posted:It is good to be critical of any community you're part of, of course, but singling out religious communities just strikes me as arbitrary. Rather astute observations, from my perspective anyway, There's an unfortunate tendency where it seems like the first reaction of an institution, any institution, will be to back the decisions of the local establishment whenever controversial matters are first brought up, and it doesn't seem like it matters whether that institution is aligned with either the religious, cultural or rational sciences. In particular the rational sciences have arguably been the most involved in justifying large scale discriminatory behavior and arguing in favor of general human misery, going by raw numbers and world-wide effect. Consider that early scholars made reasoned arguments for why people from certain areas of the world were deserving of displacement and marginalization by evidently superior foreigners. A near-conspiracy of biologists, geneticists, anthropologists, linguists, sociologists, literary scholars, etc took part in a collective cultural and ethnographic judgement of other people under the guise of intellectualism whereby biased interpretations of the totality of other people's works (history, literature, music, etc) and even their biologic composition (general characteristics, common phenotypes even population genetics) all conspired to argue for a persistent, systemic and often not even subtle prejudice against other people from an intellectually authoritative position. This was the product of 'objective' scientific inquiry and rationality, and it ultimately came to support and justify the politics of their governments. We now know that huge portions of those works are just products of biased or massively misinformed scholarship but its effects linger on to this day with significant influence. Interestingly, when other nations chose to undergo reform via westernization by taking on ideas from western science and philosophy (and notably, NOT religion) there were mixed results from even that handpicked selection. For example China, a country with a seventh of the world's population and an otherwise huge political reach, long used secular arguments from western science to criminalize and discriminate against LGBT people for their aberrant psychologies, this practice was a continuation of the anti-homosexual attitudes of the Qing dynasty whose leaders had been relatively authoritative and wished to control how its people conducted their personal relationships (interestingly, prior dynasties had been much more tolerant). Today, China mostly uses arguments from its own flavor of sociology and political science to discriminate against LGBT people, mostly in random nightclub raids and the like, despite growing popular dissent on the matter and legal changes arising from that dissent. Either way, whether it's the theologian who cherry-picks scripture to justify the treatment of godless heathens or the scholar who cherry-picks data to justify the treatment of inferiors it seems like all institutions will involve themselves in shady affairs when it suits their interests to do. On the less dramatic scale scientists will, for example, back the health-related claims of cigarette manufacturers when it is in their interest to do so, even until on to the point where that position becomes a laughable minority. Other institutions have, and will have, behaved similarly when pressed. IMHO all these indiscreet tendencies come from to the fact that all institutions are ultimately run by flawed humans who, in their smallness, make imprudent decisions despite aspiring to greater intentions. I'd be more willing to give religion special criticism for its own contributions to human misery if other institutions weren't both similarly accountable for their own contributions and apparently significantly better at perpetuating those miseries on grander scales.
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Mar 31, 2017 19:28
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Jastiger proves you can't have morals without God.
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Mar 31, 2017 19:29
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Christian socialism is good, atheist objectivism/rand is awful.
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Mar 31, 2017 19:30
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:Um, don't you mean every preposition with which he ended a sentence? Nah, that was deliberate. I actually approve of breaking all those rules, but Strunk and White deserve no quarter.
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Mar 31, 2017 21:38
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yeah I eat rear end posted:You can be those things and also know when to shut that poo poo off at the same time. You don't constantly need to be proving how woke you are in casual conversation. Look at the poster you're responding to.
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Mar 31, 2017 21:41
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If you believe in Ancient Aliens, you have a loving subnormal brain. Belief in ancient aliens should be enough to get you declared legally incompetent.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:15
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Guy Goodbody posted:If you believe in Ancient Aliens, you have a loving subnormal brain. Belief in ancient aliens should be enough to get you declared legally incompetent. I believe that there were probably aliens in ancient times, somewhere in the universe, not interacting with humanity in any way because space is too big for aliens to ever meet.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:21
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Baronjutter posted:I believe that there were probably aliens in ancient times, somewhere in the universe, not interacting with humanity in any way because space is too big for aliens to ever meet. Duh, Star Wars took place a long time ago after all.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:27
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Baronjutter posted:Christian socialism is good, atheist objectivism/rand is awful. Atheist socialosm is best. Rand is for fuckbois and sociopaths. And should be executed
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Mar 31, 2017 22:27
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Jastiger posted:Atheist socialosm is best. She ded
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Mar 31, 2017 22:30
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Jastiger posted:Rand is for fuckbois and sociopaths. And should be executed are you parodying yourself??
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Mar 31, 2017 22:31
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Baronjutter posted:I believe that there were probably aliens in ancient times, somewhere in the universe, not interacting with humanity in any way because space is too big for aliens to ever meet. I like to think that maybe we haven't been contacted by aliens because we're actually the furthest along and maybe we'll be the freaks kidnapping and anally probing them because no one seems to think we might have it backwards.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:37
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spit on my clit posted:are you parodying yourself?? Why would you say that?
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Mar 31, 2017 22:38
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I feel Jastiger says certain groups of people should be executed on a weekly basis.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:39
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I saw some crossfit video where the instructor was wearing a Gault/Taggart for President t-shirt and it was just perfect. Crossfit people are the biggest pricks around and should be executed.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:44
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fruit on the bottom posted:I like to think that maybe we haven't been contacted by aliens because we're actually the furthest along and maybe we'll be the freaks kidnapping and anally probing them because no one seems to think we might have it backwards. the Fermi "paradox" is really stupid and the fact that people actually take it seriously makes me think less of everyone. The universe is really big. The galaxy could be teeming with life and we'll probably never know. And neither will the alien species either. Since faster than light travel is impossible, the only way to contact other species would be radio signals, which don't actually go on forever, they degrade and become indistinguishable from background radiation eventually, or Voyager style space probes, which are just a crap shoot because the galaxy is really big.
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Mar 31, 2017 22:46
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oldpainless posted:I feel Jastiger says certain groups of people should be executed on a weekly basis. True. But im also correct.
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Mar 31, 2017 23:08
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Guy Goodbody posted:the Fermi "paradox" is really stupid and the fact that people actually take it seriously makes me think less of everyone. The universe is really big. The galaxy could be teeming with life and we'll probably never know. And neither will the alien species either. Since faster than light travel is impossible, the only way to contact other species would be radio signals, which don't actually go on forever, they degrade and become indistinguishable from background radiation eventually, or Voyager style space probes, which are just a crap shoot because the galaxy is really big. I'm pretty sure the "paradox" was just a thing he came up with on his lunch break one day so I'm not terribly shocked that it doesn't hold up
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Guy Goodbody posted:the Fermi "paradox" is really stupid and the fact that people actually take it seriously makes me think less of everyone. The universe is really big. The galaxy could be teeming with life and we'll probably never know. And neither will the alien species either. Since faster than light travel is impossible, the only way to contact other species would be radio signals, which don't actually go on forever, they degrade and become indistinguishable from background radiation eventually, or Voyager style space probes, which are just a crap shoot because the galaxy is really big. There almost certainly is life out there, some biological scum at the bottom of a sea, or a space rat. Intelligent life tho, they will first discover nukes, and if they survive that, discover virtual reality. Neither is conducive to space travel.
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