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CirclMastr posted:I don't see how we need more than 1 plane for the bombing run and more than 2 for escort duty. Looking into this, we might be overthinking some of this. If we can get one of our cheap ground attack planes to come in for a solid run on the bridge with rockets while having a pair of Gripens on overwatch with an AWACS we should be solid. The wildcard is how vulnerable our ground attacks will be to 70' era ground AA. Can they carry any kind of chaff or other counter measures>
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Jimmy4400nav posted:Looking into this, we might be overthinking some of this. If we can get one of our cheap ground attack planes to come in for a solid run on the bridge with rockets while having a pair of Gripens on overwatch with an AWACS we should be solid. The wildcard is how vulnerable our ground attacks will be to 70' era ground AA. Can they carry any kind of chaff or other counter measures> From the sounds of it, our SK60Bs are turbo-hosed if anything more threatening than small arms fire targets them and the operators aren't incompetent. Although I might just be overly pessimistic about their chances in contested airspace.
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I think the best way to do this is that have 1 gripen on each group of cargo planes one at alert 5 on the tarmac/runway, 1 gripen loaded with mostly CAP munitions save 2 paveways to hit the bridge once it destroys the bridge it pulls cap duty in a location between the to groups of cargo planes
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You know, we can test this in engine. Open the planning scenario in the editor, place however many MANPADS/AAA groups we need near the bridge, and fly the SK60 Rockets and Gripen Paveway options. FWIW, I really like Gripens, so I vote for 2 Paveway Gripens, 4 IRIS-T Gripens (2 on close escort, 2 on airborne CAP) and the AEW bird.
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The AEW is always something you want up. 1) 360 coverage and range is huge 2) You don't need to run the radars on your escort flights so you're not broadcasting to the world what you have there.
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One more question, are there any targets of opportunities in this mission apart from the bridge? Wasn't sure if the UN/India had any additional things they might want popped if we happened across them. If so do those have any bonuses attached to them?
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Operating costs are cheap enough that even if we flew everything with full load outs it's only a couple percent of our reward, so the only reason to limit what we put up is runway time and vulnerability. Anything that involves putting airframes in the sights of MANPADs/AAA when they don't absolutely need to be is just pointlessly risky - Paveway the bridge, it's no big deal. Davin's plan is a solid one, there's no reason NOT to send the AWACS up as long as it's properly escorted, and I'd rather have lots of firepower in the air and not need it than need it and not have it. Also, blowing the bridge should be one of the last things we do because the Chinese/TLA are 100% going to respond somehow.
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you people do not know how to cut corners Stool Pigeon 1 will engage guns only unless absolutely vital to save money. Be the change you want to see.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTAeJX7qSXw is this appropriate for this thread
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Look I wanted to become eco-terrorists but since you people insist on building a reputation first let's at least make it a reputation for always giving the whole 9 yards. And then parlay it into getting away with eco-terror black ops.
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ughhhh posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTAeJX7qSXw Yes, yes yes yes yes yes, it is very much appropriate. Also I propose that we have this running in the background until takeoff time.
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Why don't you understand that anime belongs in the trash?
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gently caress YOU, anime is cool, and Shin Kazama's wing art is going on my plane! Incidentally, if we're going with the Paveways, someone above me mentioned the price of a Paveway at ~$45k. We can cut that in half by using the earlier GBU-12 Paveways that are pure laser-guided, no GPS/INS; and since these babies can be fired at well over AAA/MANPADS altitude, I don't think there's much risk in doing so.   EDIT: Incidentally, here are the air search (white circle) and surface search (yellow circle) ranges on our fancy AEW bird. Note that these are "theoretical ideal conditions"--in practice, it will probably be shorter (although not THAT much shorter, since it's all clear all around). However, it's quite clear that we can keep the bird well safe behind Indian Army SAMs if need be.  
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For those of us without the game is the an easily accessible way to see all the weapon specifics? The website is a tad sparse.
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Davin Valkri posted:Yes, yes yes yes yes yes, it is very much appropriate. Come on man, we're a mercenary group. We should have this music instead. Get your games right  Anyway. As one of the people who might end up going on the bridge destruction mission I'd honestly err towards Davin's suggestion of a mix of Gripens. Honestly their versatility would be the best asset on the mission; they would be able to bomb the bridge itself, fend off any potential hostile air support, and be able to still assist in escort duties if they make it back before the transport missions are done.
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Dr. Snark posted:Come on man, we're a mercenary group. We should have this music instead. Get your games right I'm sorry, Ace Combat Infinity would like a word with you
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Jimmy4400nav posted:One more question, are there any targets of opportunities in this mission apart from the bridge? Wasn't sure if the UN/India had any additional things they might want popped if we happened across them. If so do those have any bonuses attached to them? Not on this mission. Later missions will, depending on how well #1 goes, have additional targets of opportunity. Jimmy4400nav posted:For those of us without the game is the an easily accessible way to see all the weapon specifics? The website is a tad sparse. You can drill down a bit more at CMANO-DB, for example. Or a lot of the time I'll hit Wikipedia. The in-game info usually starts with wikipedias description.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:you people do not know how to cut corners Your call sign should be Junk Bond  I agree with Cryo and Davin, a mix of Gripens and definitely send up the AWACS. The only corners we should be cutting are ones involving civilian safety.
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Also for what it's worth, if you want an extra bit if insurance, we can go with two GBU-12 Paveway Gripens for the bridge, two Iris-T Gripens for close escort, and two Meteor Gripens for airborne QRF CAP. More expensive, but more capable.
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Davin Valkri posted:Also for what it's worth, if you want an extra bit if insurance, we can go with two GBU-12 Paveway Gripens for the bridge, two Iris-T Gripens for close escort, and two Meteor Gripens for airborne QRF CAP. More expensive, but more capable. sounds like a decent setup/plan i would throw the awacs up as well for early warning
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Davin Valkri posted:Also for what it's worth, if you want an extra bit if insurance, we can go with two GBU-12 Paveway Gripens for the bridge, two Iris-T Gripens for close escort, and two Meteor Gripens for airborne QRF CAP. More expensive, but more capable. Worth pointing out that we can always say "don't use the expensive missiles unless you absolutely have to you bloody idiots" if we send out more planes.
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Tythas posted:sounds like a decent setup/plan i would throw the awacs up as well for early warning Well, I figured at this point the S100B was a given.
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What do we do if the civilian transports end up near the bridge, anyway? Our stuff should be able to tell helicopters apart from planes, but is the enemy AA that capable too? e: or if it turns out some rebels are mixed in at the airport and start a ruckus, is that legally a "not our problem" at that point?
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How long would it take to scramble up another flight, and how long would it take to reach either the target bridge or reach the end point for the escort? We could have a Gripen or two prepped for takeoff as insurance rather than sending too many assets into a combat zone.
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Can we check with our client that when they say escort, they only mean against AA, and not also making sure tanks don't roll over the airport while MSF is taxiing on the apron. Seems it'd be a juicy target. Is there any way to check possible loadout combinations, or does it just take the aircraft max payload and any mix and amount of valid weapons up to that limit? I vote for the boat and that it should be named Gay Viking hiven our PMC heritage. If we do get the frigate I'd prefer to be Captain Fish, but if that's not possible, please put me down as Hard Pink on the waiting pilot roster simplefish fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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So what's everyone's plan for dealing with jerks on the ground with MANPADS launching on the cargo aircraft?
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Condoleezza Nice! posted:How long would it take to scramble up another flight, and how long would it take to reach either the target bridge or reach the end point for the escort? We could have a Gripen or two prepped for takeoff as insurance rather than sending too many assets into a combat zone. Having Two prepped for take off sitting on the tarmac sounds like a good idea (i don't actually know if CMANO can simulate this) think alert 5 on an aircraft carrier (5 min to get launched). As far as AA goes i think having a grippen drop some laser guided bombs from altitude seems like a good idea since the altitude ceiling for dropping the bombs is above most small AA platforms range
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The Sandman posted:So what's everyone's plan for dealing with jerks on the ground with MANPADS launching on the cargo aircraft? I'm hoping Indian ground forces will have taken care of that, but that's why I said to check we aren't going to get yelled at if something happens on the ground. I am bummed we are attacking Tibet, but you guys did pick the best PMC and a great name, and mercenaries can't have soft spots, so on with the show simplefish fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Good Dumplings posted:What do we do if the civilian transports end up near the bridge, anyway? Our stuff should be able to tell helicopters apart from planes, but is the enemy AA that capable too? The mission is just to get the C-130s to Nyingchi and the Globemasters back. It is very unlikely they would stray from flightpath to that degree. If they do, welp, not our problem. Condoleezza Nice! posted:How long would it take to scramble up another flight, and how long would it take to reach either the target bridge or reach the end point for the escort? We could have a Gripen or two prepped for takeoff as insurance rather than sending too many assets into a combat zone. Couple of minutes to take off. The first flight is ready to go, pilots in the cockpit, engines warmed up, etc. If they land, and need to go back again then poo poo starts taking hours. simplefish posted:Can we check with our client that when they say escort, they only mean against AA, and not also making sure tanks don't roll over the airport while MSF is taxiing on the apron. Seems it'd be a juicy target. If a bulldozer crushes them on the runway, not our problem. We just need to get them there. As far as I know the loadout combinations are fixed. No way to stick a complete and total mish-mash of 1940's bombs with 2020 recon pod. All JAS-39 ground strike loadouts also include a couple of IRIS-T missiles.
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Awesome, thanks for the clarification. So the available loadouts are the ones you posted with ranges above, right?
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How confident are we that the C17 will meet its departure time? Given your earlier description of their departing airport, sounds like a bit of a madhouse, and I'd hate for our escort to run out of fuel before MSF gets skyborne.
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Jimmy4400nav posted:For those of us without the game is the an easily accessible way to see all the weapon specifics? The website is a tad sparse. Baloogan's website seems to have a bit more info - it shows you everything the game does in the same format. Otherwise, Wikipedia. https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=3653 Good Dumplings posted:What do we do if the civilian transports end up near the bridge, anyway? Our stuff should be able to tell helicopters apart from planes, but is the enemy AA that capable too? Since we won't be controlling the mission itself that seems relatively unlikely. The Sandman posted:So what's everyone's plan for dealing with jerks on the ground with MANPADS launching on the cargo aircraft? We will be up too high for most of the flight - the main issue is if they have some around the landing strip. I don't think we can be held responsible if there is a guy with an Igla on the end of the runway.
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Is this a pretty standard rate for PMC's? We're getting paid 6 million for like 30 minutes worth of work. I mean, I'm not complaining, but can we always expect this kind of return?
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Crazycryodude posted:Is this a pretty standard rate for PMC's? We're getting paid 6 million for like 30 minutes worth of work. I mean, I'm not complaining, but can we always expect this kind of return? This poo poo is expensive work. Especially when everyone is dead set on using 6 fighters when 3 will do the job.
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CirclMastr posted:This poo poo is expensive work. Especially when everyone is dead set on using 6 fighters when 3 will do the job. 3 could do the job but if something happens that requires more birds in the air we won't get them in the air in time due to the airport we are stationed. It's better to be safe and wasting a small amount of money than losing planes to enemy fire because they didn't have enough backup. Edit = Grammar and readability We are also ignoring the one thing that most Airforce's around the world do. Every plane having a wingman Tythas fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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Look, we're not some Nigerian mercs providing bodies with AKs to guard Applebees in Baghdad, we're more like Xe airborne (only with less shooting at civvies). We need to show people that we're serious and we need our pilots to hone skills other than "loving Indian prostitutes bowlegged." That's why 6 Grippens is the way to go.
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Our AEW will provide plenty of warning; there's no need to preemptively launch all of our fighters at once. Our Grippens can cruise from one of the mission airports to the other in about 10 minutes, if I counted right in the scenario. I say launch a couple armed for A/A just before the first transport takes off and station them near Nyingchi. If more than a couple bogies appear, we scramble more. After the transports perform their missions, a 2 ship of Grippens with Paveways goes the the bridge and bombs from high altitude, using one bomb at a time until the bridge is confirmed destroyed, since the likely threats seem to be limited to low altitude SAMs.
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Tetraptous posted:Our AEW will provide plenty of warning; there's no need to preemptively launch all of our fighters at once. Our Grippens can cruise from one of the mission airports to the other in about 10 minutes, if I counted right in the scenario. I say launch a couple armed for A/A just before the first transport takes off and station them near Nyingchi. If more than a couple bogies appear, we scramble more. After the transports perform their missions, a 2 ship of Grippens with Paveways goes the the bridge and bombs from high altitude, using one bomb at a time until the bridge is confirmed destroyed, since the likely threats seem to be limited to low altitude SAMs. The issue may be how long it takes to scramble the jets from our airport we only have one airstrip we can only launch limited planes at a time
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