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Trick Question
Apr 9, 2007


Gregg has some self-control issues, but I think he's a kind person.

Also that music during the bike-ride was dope as hell, I love that scene.

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Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
And plenty of evil fuckers out there totally certain that they're good and right.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth
Maple Leaf has been rather uncharitable in this episode.

Arkanumzilong
Sep 10, 2016

Fish Noise posted:

I believe there is in fact an entire thread about Woods Porn somewhere in the goldmine of this very forum.

Wait, what?

Vexrm
Feb 2, 2009

Full of hot raspberry jam blooded passion.
So you mention about why would you do all this dangerous stuff like knife fighting or destroying the tree?

I grew up in an ex-coal mining town. The best thing to do was to get in your pick up truck and drive around the two city blocks. For hours. We called it Cruising. No seriously, as teenagers that was the thing to do on a Friday night.

Saturday was the night to go drinking in the woods.

There were plenty of stupid, destructive, and life threatening things I and others did. We even said full well "This will probably kill us", but we didn't care. It was something. Something was better than the beige monotony of the town. You know the old "If your friends jumped off a bridge..." thing? I was jumping off bridges with friends since I was 8. I sled down hills to cross railroad tracks on the sled. I never laid on the tracks, but I know folks who did.

The town, the quiet screaming of desperation, the stupidity, the need for something, anything to happen, and the attachment to the stupidest things because you associate them with change? This is all resonating with me too much.

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012


Pretty much. I can't say I have a ton of experience about the matter but for the three months I had to spend with my grandparents in Little Town USA, you quickly figure out there's nothing to do but get stupid. Basically there were three kinds of people my age: The ones who did nothing but church, those actively trying to get out of town, or people getting high as a kite and doing stupid poo poo. I'm just glad I managed to get out before that really set in.

Spookyelectric
Jul 5, 2007

Who's there?
From this video, I get the impression that Maple Leaf is a very "black and white morality" kind of guy.

When I was nine, I used to fight with a buddy of mine for fun. We would punch each-other, throw poo poo, etc. Sometimes we would get injured. We thought it was fun. Of course, we were also both picked on in school, we both had trouble at home, and we both felt like there was no point to anything. I don't think that meant we were "bad people." Gregg strikes me as the sort of person who never grew out of that mentality.

I don't think Gregg is a "bad person," but I will agree with Maple Leaf that he is destructive. I don't think that automatically makes you "bad" though. You can make bad decisions or enjoy destructive things without being objectively, universally bad. If I had to guess (and I'm sure we'll find out), Gregg probably feels hopeless and trapped. We already know he suffers from untreated mental illness (all that manic behavior in earlier episodes makes a little more sense now, doesn't it?) and that he feels rejected by the world. A flippant and casual attitude towards death, "crimes," and breaking things is probably how he copes with his perception that he doesn't have a future. I can hardly blame him for feeling this way. He failed to escape this place and now he's stuck in a place that's being left behind. To me, he's one of the most realistic depictions of someone trapped in a decaying rust belt town, not a "bad" person.

But he probably shouldn't play stabbing games for fun.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
Man, I feel bad for Gregg. He has that mental unrest which is downright bipolar. Even though I calmed down a lot over the last few years, I can see a lot of myself in that. Doing self destructive and dangerous things for no apparent reason is a huge part of it. I certainly never stabbed anyone with a knife, nor do I plan to, but I can sort of see how someone like Gregg might feel an adrenaline spike from doing that. I guess I am happy that he found Angus, since he might give his life a bit of order. Being a mentally fragile gay person in a dead rust belt town is hard enough. If Gregg had joined a criminal gang instead, he would be spiraling in the drain by now.

I guess the point of this game is, that Gregg and Bea are both somewhat broken people. While Gregg is energetic, outspoken, bipolar and chaotic, Bea is responsible, reclusive and doesn't really want to show her emotions.
Mae is somewhat in the middle. From what we seen of her, she is self destructive, sort of aggressive, always ready to talk to others, but not really willing to open up about her personal state. (She didn't even mention to anyone why she quit college.)
So if you hang out with Gregg you should act a bit somber and down to earth to get him to calm down a bit, while Bea needs energetic prepping up.
Frankly, Gregg and Bea should hang out more with each other.

cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Apr 5, 2017

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
I won't try to put a name to it, but yes as other posters have articulated, Gregg's got some problems going on that he's at least partly aware of but has no particularly good means of analyzing or dealing with, and that's severely amplified by the deep ennui of being stuck in a declining isolated small town, with very little money or long-range transportation.
We have yet to see what Gregg's crimes are but we've definitely seen Mae doing some on her own and dragging Bea into them as well.
The knife fighting is an extremely stupid thing to do but it's coming more from adrenaline thrillseeking than a direct desire to hurt anyone - they pull back quickly and no one's severed a tendon yet, though that's probably more out of dumb luck than anything else. He's got the crossbow but doesn't go for hunting.
While boredom and impulse certainly play a majority role, some of his destructiveness could also be seen as an extreme extension of that log-flipping ice-breaking desire to leave a mark and have an effect.

cant cook creole bream posted:

Frankly, Gregg and Bea should hang out more with each other.
It's not a bad thought, but I think Gregg and Bea are too far apart for that to work well. Someone in between as a moderating influence is necessary. If this were Chappie, Mae would be Amerika. Fortunately for these cute but troubled animal people friends, we have yet to see any cargo-shorted turbonerds who think the solution to crime is shooting poor people with a battlemech through their oculus rift.

It's an ooooold thread from like the early 2000s, should be one of the first results if you google "Somethingawful Woods Porn".

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


Gregg describes himself as parking lot trash. That's the kind of crimes he does. Breaking stuff, shoplifting, loitering, etc. Being Poor: The Crime.

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

cant cook creole bream posted:

Mae is somewhat in the middle. From what we seen of her, she is self destructive, sort of aggressive, always ready to talk to others, but not really willing to open up about her personal state. (She didn't even mention to anyone why she quit college.)

When she does open up you always wish she hadn't.

Arkanumzilong
Sep 10, 2016

Fish Noise posted:



It's an ooooold thread from like the early 2000s, should be one of the first results if you google "Somethingawful Woods Porn".

my reaction still somehow stands; as for some reason I always thought this forum would be the last place for porn discussions; though I do admit I lurk solely on games and lets play (and have, in fact, registered only to follow some Let's plays).

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Who's ready for dream analysis?

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
Gregg's a fox. He was originally a dog but so many people thought he was a fox that the devs went "yeah, okay, he's a fox now."

Some people think he's a water deer. Which is funny, but wrong.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
I assumed that he was a coyote. But in the end, it's all just various forms of dogs anyway.

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


I mean, realistically, all animals are a type of dog.

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
Horses? Big, nervous dogs.
Birds? Dogasauruses.

White Coke
May 29, 2015
Bears are just fat dogs.
Cats are the best dogs.

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Happy Halloween! Have an extra special episode.

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
On the subject of Pastor K being stood up, have some supplemental reading/watching material.

We've seen plenty of cats who are normal sized relative to everyone else, Mae just... kind of stopped growing early.

Fluorescent bulb smashing seems fun and I've been tempted to huck some into big metal dumpsters myself but then I think of the flying who-knows-what-kind-of-phosphor coated glass and mercury, and settle for turning them in to county hazardous waste disposal.
...I suddenly want talc-lined stunt glass bulbs made just for smashing.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
French toast is kinda of all right, I guess.
But it can't stand up to a German apple pancake with syrup or cinnamon.
American pancakes aren't that great, though.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
There are no bad pancakes or French toasts, only inept cooks.

value-brand cereal
May 2, 2008

"Easter bunny is pretty sexy according to some people"

Furries. Just say furries. :v:

Hannakuh isn't sexy. It's a holiday based around resisting assimilation and celebrating a specific miracle. Plus religion generally isn't sexy. What are you going to dress up as? Sexy Jeweish mom? Wait no that's someone's fetish..... :gonk:

I think the god in Possum Springs is..... the sleeping roofcat, ever dreaming of our lives, caring but maintaining a mystical distance.


My fave breakfast foods were those Belgian waffles bought from costco when I was wayyyy younger and they were sugary sugarbombs of sweet dough and cronchy bits of brown sugar and theY WERE GREAT. I LOVED THOSE THINGS SO MUCH. One day I will buy a wafflemaker and waffle up some made waffles.

value-brand cereal fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Apr 10, 2017

White Coke
May 29, 2015

value-brand cereal posted:

Hannakuh isn't sexy. It's a holiday based around resisting assimilation and celebrating a specific miracle. Plus religion generally isn't sexy. What are you going to dress up as? Sexy Jeweish mom? Wait no that's someone's fetish..... :gonk:

Calling it a fetish implies that there are people who aren't into it.

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012


My favorite breakfast was a hamburger I bought at six in the morning at an airport after getting back from two months in India. Best burger, best breakfast, beeeeeeeeeeeef.

Crepes are a close second but only with strawberries.

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Crepes are great. Any cooked, carby, sugary breakfast nowadays is pretty much a luxury for me since I eat a lot of oatmeal and eggs as part of a workout diet to get my protein on.

And whenever I hear "Jewish moms" I think of Kyle's mom from South Park and doting parents who are super into keeping their kids under their wing. Not sexy at all.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
How to make good pancakes:

--Use enough butter and only fry them on a well buttered surface
--Use enough baking powder to react with the buttermilk and salt but not so much it gives an alkaline taste
--put actual syrup on them, the kind that comes from a tree and not the head of a plastic racist caricature.

value-brand cereal posted:

[spoiler][spoiler]

[spoilers], my dude!

(i agree tho!!)

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Willie Tomg posted:

How to make good pancakes:

--Use enough butter and only fry them on a well buttered surface
--Use enough baking powder to react with the buttermilk and salt but not so much it gives an alkaline taste
--put actual syrup on them, the kind that comes from a tree and not the head of a plastic racist caricature.


It's kind of interesting how none of those tips apply to German pancakes. We generally don't use butter and fry them in oil and there usually isn't baking powder in them since that makes them to heavy and bloated. And I don't even know what brand of syrup you're referring to. Maple syrup is sort of a luxury around here, so we can only get quality stuff. Adding a bit of sparkling water will make them really fluffy though.

cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Apr 10, 2017

value-brand cereal
May 2, 2008

Willie Tomg posted:

How to make good pancakes:

--Use enough butter and only fry them on a well buttered surface
--Use enough baking powder to react with the buttermilk and salt but not so much it gives an alkaline taste
--put actual syrup on them, the kind that comes from a tree and not the head of a plastic racist caricature.


[spoilers], my dude!

(i agree tho!!)

Sighs.... im so smort. [thank you it's fixed!]

And agreed on the real syrup and not the fake corn syrup+coloring nonsense. Even if it costs ten bux for a medium bottle :( on the West Coast area. Or use jams. Blueberry jam on pancakes is wonderful, but there's something about orange marmalade that's a good breakfast flavor. A bright taste to start the day!

White Coke
May 29, 2015

Olive Branch posted:

And whenever I hear "Jewish moms" I think of Kyle's mom from South Park and doting parents who are super into keeping their kids under their wing. Not sexy at all.

That's because you're not adding Sexy in front of it. Anything can be sexy when it has Sexy as a descriptor.

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Those eyes can stare into your soul.

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012


I love the play, if only because of the number of cheap plays I've had to do as a child. At least everyone vaguely knew their bits here, nothing quite like stopping the show multiple times as children get fed their lines and awkwardly sound it out.

FisheyStix
Jul 2, 2008

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.

Olive Branch posted:

Those eyes can stare into your soul.



The fact you guys didn't pick the "Thou art a rude and naughty boy" line makes you guys officially dead to me. :colbert: Good job loving up the one job you had that whole episode!

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

FisheyStix posted:

The fact you guys didn't pick the "Thou art a rude and naughty boy" line makes you guys officially dead to me. :colbert: Good job loving up the one job you had that whole episode!
Haha, what can I say, I am the straight man of this LP, if only because I didn't want to mess up poor Bea's life even more!

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


WITCHDAGGA!!!

RedMagus
Nov 16, 2005

Male....Female...what does it matter? Power is beautiful, and I've got the power!
Grimey Drawer
I love how suddenly poo poo hits the fan at this part of the game. You're humming along, kinda just getting use to the town, and the horrible depression everywhere, making peace with it, and them BAM KIDNAPPING! GHOST!

That last scene though, it really does a good job making you feel the outsider. Everyone is busy, everyone already has plans, you don't fit into anyone's life. I think a lot of us have felt like that :smith:

LoseHound
Nov 10, 2012

RedMagus posted:

I love how suddenly poo poo hits the fan at this part of the game. You're humming along, kinda just getting use to the town, and the horrible depression everywhere, making peace with it, and them BAM KIDNAPPING! GHOST!

That last scene though, it really does a good job making you feel the outsider. Everyone is busy, everyone already has plans, you don't fit into anyone's life. I think a lot of us have felt like that :smith:

Part of what makes the scene is the fact that Mae was so excited for Harfest, yet the night ends with the two friends she usually has to choose between saying they have other plans. There's also the bit about how the play she was so familiar with changed for the worse as well.

Oh, also ghosts.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Even with the simplistic art style, there's something deeply disturbing about that muffled scream, and the way the figure suddenly goes limp.. This graphics and sound design in this game are incredible.

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

It's in the blood! It beckons!

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Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Hope you're all enjoying your long weekend. Here's an update!

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