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Wikkheiser posted:I've been on a Troubles kick because, well it's just interesting, and goddamn was it crazy. Maybe because it was an actual sectarian-insurgent-counterinsurgent war in the English speaking world in our lifetime. It's seriously a weird and mind blowing thing to see a bunch of English speaking people fighting each other like it's the middle east or some poo poo. I seriously still cannot wrap my head around it, due in part to the fact I've only read a little bit about the causes and timeline of the troubles. I need to change that. Wikkheiser posted:and because foreign observers sympathized with them as the "good guys." Weren't there a bunch of shitheads in the US who supported them financially?
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Mike-o posted:Weren't there a bunch of shitheads in the US who supported them financially?
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Mike-o posted:Weren't there a bunch of shitheads in the US who supported them financially? I read Patriot Games when I was a kid, so I can confirm this is true. Video footage was later acquired of CIA agent Han Solo punching out one of these guys.
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Derek Dominoe posted:I read Patriot Games when I was a kid, so I can confirm this is true. Video footage was later acquired of CIA agent Han Solo punching out one of these guys. Also I have to credit the movie makers into adding dissonant Irish whistles when the terrorists show up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnhDO1G0ieY
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The IRA also had some serious homemade ordnance, like this thing which is basically the same as those "hell cannons" that have been used extensively in Syria. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrack_buster
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Read up on the Miami Showband Massacre, it's a great little example of how hosed the Troubles were. Also the movie '71 is good and people should watch it.
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It'd be an interesting place to visit. Looks really charming in fact. I've been taking myself on these Google Maps street tours, and since the time of the photographs are not always the same, you can see the more militant murals get taken down. Move the camera, and the big UVF painting on the side of the building isn't there anymore. There was also a closed-down militant pub called THE REBEL in a Catholic neighborhood with shamrocks and IRA/RAAD graffiti all over the drat thing. The neighborhood affiliations are still very apparent though.  ONH is "Óglaigh na hÉireann" or an IRA splinter group. They kneecap drug dealers which I suppose that for ideological reasons, if the war is over, then you want to play the long game and stopping dealers is way of strengthening the community over time. Or alternatively, ONH are gangsters and vigilante attacks are a way to inflict terror on local opposition under an "anti-drug" philosophy (while the group monopolizes the local drug trade). BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Apr 2, 2017 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArhrSdFOJH8&t=176s
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Were those suicide vests detonating or did they just use explosives on some unarmed dudes?
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Buca di Bepis posted:Were those suicide vests detonating or did they just use explosives on some unarmed dudes? Suicide vests.
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It's kinda bizarre how many people in that video seem to think that taking cellphone video is clearly the thing they need to be doing in this tense short-distance standoff they found themselves in.
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aphid_licker posted:It's kinda bizarre how many people in that video seem to think that taking cellphone video is clearly the thing they need to be doing in this tense short-distance standoff they found themselves in.
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Wikkheiser posted:Like the finale of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly except one is filming with a cellphone You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who film. You film.
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Mike-o posted:Weren't there a bunch of shitheads in the US who supported them financially? One of them is a serving member of congress! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._King#Support_for_the_IRA The best part, posted:In a 2005 interview King said he had "cooled on Ireland", blaming an epidemic of what he called "knee-jerk anti-Americanism" that swept through Ireland after the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. "I don't buy that it's just anti-Bush. There's a certain unpleasant trait that the Irish have, and it's begrudgery ... and resentment towards the Americans." Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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Was that a fight or an execution?
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Thought that was car parts flying for a second until I replayed the video and saw there wasn't any car there
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lol Peter King is a dumbass. I wonder if anyone in the IRA ever told him about its affiliation with the political left and the PLO.
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Zeris posted:Was that a fight or an execution? Terms of surrender with four ISIS suicide guys were brief and ultimately fell apart.
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Derek Dominoe posted:You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who film. You film. Officer #1: [repeating through megaphone] The one with the camera phone shoots! Officer #2: [handing out camera phones] One out of two gets camera phone. Officer #1: The one without, follows him! When the one with the camera phone gets killed, the one who is following picks up the camera phone and shoots!
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Zeris posted:Was that a fight or an execution? vid was timelinked at a bad spot, buncha martyrs fake surrendering reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVDOPWNosW0
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glynnenstein posted:Terms of surrender with four ISIS suicide guys were brief and ultimately fell apart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5aZJBLAu1E
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War Nerd just had a great episode about the Troubles. He was really involved with The Cause in the 80's to the point of being tailed by local cops and being on that list cooked up by Israel and South Africa. He gave a great explanation of how sectarian conflict works and how pointing to religious affiliation misses the point in both Ireland and Iraq.
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Godholio posted:Officer #1: [repeating through megaphone] The one with the camera phone shoots! Lol this needs more love
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Wikkheiser posted:lol Peter King is a dumbass. I wonder if anyone in the IRA ever told him about its affiliation with the political left and the PLO. It's all about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8JqKxrloQQ
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aphid_licker posted:
Mostly due to the "Loyalists" constantly trying to false flag the IRA with civilian casualties instead of actually fighting the IRA. The whole thing was a nightmare for the two actual countries (UK and Ireland) witht heir two retard little brothers (UVF/UDF and the IRA) feeling the need to support them with force instead of just cleaning house on their end. Anglican as gently caress, really
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Wikkheiser posted:
"Big Boys' Rules" by Mark Urban (diplomatic editor on the BBC's Newsnight) is very good for this - it only covers up until the mid-late 80s but it's a good, impartial overall look at the British approaches to the troubles from various angles (police, military, MI5, and how these parties all trod on each other's toes with regard to informers and various other things) and has a lot of stuff on security service/police collusion with loyalists, as well as info on things like the "shoot to kill" policy. It's a really interesting read for anyone interested in the Troubles.
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I get that it's funny to gently caress with people, but doing that as an instructor during training is supremely dumb. We have pretty severe rules against that due to the whole crying-wolf-desensitizing mechanic.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I get that it's funny to gently caress with people, but doing that as an instructor during training is supremely dumb. Did instructors do any of that poo poo to y'all in training?
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:Did instructors do any of that poo poo to y'all in training? Nah, the poo poo instructors do in glorious Deutschland is leagues more inane and dumb. One of our outgoing E-6s that liked me once hid a DM22, which is basically a giant loving blank grenade for training purposes, under my pillow as a parting gift. He did not understand the concept of me not wanting to unknowingly sleep on live munitions, nor having controlled items in my possession. In hindsight, I should have just sold that poo poo or hosed with someone else.
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I need to go scrap some money togeather cause my avatar is just sad.
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Zeris posted:how is this not the background of GIP
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chitoryu12 posted:And outside the battlefield, there's always drive-bys. im the dreamcatcher on the rearview
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No explosions, but miltech: https://www.x20.org/color-night-vision/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bTgG2Ft4xQ You can point it at the sun too and it'll be fine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpBg6fZThdY
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